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Atlantis - Sardinia studies

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posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 08:31 AM
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Hi ATS.
My name is Pier Paolo Saba, and im a researcher in archeology
from Sardinia, Italy.
I've noticed that there are many discussions about Atlantis;
i've studied this stuff for over 30 years, and now i've published a book with one of my friends: but since my purpose here is NOT to sell the book, i won't mention it.
Firstly, i would like to point out that all the studies and the present knowledge about the "alleged" isle of Atlantis are based on Boooks and studies, like mine, no more no less.
No one in the world has the right to claim that he knows the truth, no one.
I have also to state beforehand that my theories are being presently discussed, and of course not all agree with them.
After this long time spent studying the stories about Atlantis, i came to the conclusion that it took place a big misunderstanding about the location of Atlantis:
many researchers claim that it was located in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, but this is a mere theory, based on claimings which have been interpreted: there's no an actual meaning, and there's not a general consensus about neither the location nor the actual existance of Atlantis.
In my opinion, the people who played a key role in the story of Atlantis is the one of SHRD (SHARDANA): they have been mentioned even by the Egyptian in the temple of Medinet Abu, and not just there.
Given that all the theories started by Platoon's studies, in according to almost all researcher's theories, the isle of Atlantis was located in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean:
this because the so called hercules columns have been interpreted to be located between Spain and Morocco gaz.
But in my opinion, those columns where located betweeen the Sicily and Thunis, and i have valid reasons to claim this.
About 12000 years ago, with the vanishing of Atlantis, a huge tsunami has been generated, and the sand brought by it filled part of underwater soil between Sicily and Thunis, acting like a wall which impeeded the flow of the waters between Egean sea and mediterrean Sea.
And this was the so called Mare Melmous mentioned even by Platoon.




posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 09:29 AM
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Hello there. I'm curious about your sources. Would you mind sharing them?


Originally posted by Pier Paolo Saba
many researchers claim that it was located in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, but this is a mere theory, based on claimings which have been interpreted: there's no an actual meaning, and there's not a general consensus about neither the location nor the actual existance of Atlantis.


So you discount Plato (the originator of the story) when he says it's in the Atlantic? (it is given by name, and in the original Greek, which you may read for yourself.) Why do you think he wrote "Atlantic" (which actually refers to what we now call the Atlantic Ocean) rather than "Mesogeios " which is what they called the Mediterranean Sea?


In my opinion, the people who played a key role in the story of Atlantis is the one of SHRD (SHARDANA): they have been mentioned even by the Egyptian in the temple of Medinet Abu, and not just there.


The "Sea People"? The material on them doesn't match Plato. There's no record that they attacked Athens (ever) or ruled the entire Mediterranean including Egypt, establishing a peaceful empire that sent them tribute (as per Plato). The translations on the Sea People and Ramses' kicking them out of Egypt doesn't match Plato's account of the Atlanteans being crushed by the Athenians when they tried to attack Athens.


About 12000 years ago, with the vanishing of Atlantis, a huge tsunami has been generated, and the sand brought by it filled part of underwater soil between Sicily and Thunis, acting like a wall which impeeded the flow of the waters between Egean sea and mediterrean Sea.


What are you basing this on? I'm not seeing (on a quick scan) evidence of a tsunami at that time (home.iitk.ac.in...).

And how does a tsunami that takes place 8,000 years before the Sea People try to attack Egypt relate to the whole Atlantis scenario?

The timelines seem way off. Can you point to material (not your book but other sources) that will help make this clearer?



posted on Apr, 2 2008 @ 06:26 PM
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This is nowhere near as convincing to me as the article by Kevin Sullivan for the Washington Post newspaper, page A25, on Thursday, October 10, 2002:


www.mindfully.org...
HAVANA – The images appear slowly on the video screen, like ghosts from the ocean floor. The videotape, made by an unmanned submarine, shows massive stones in oddly symmetrical square and pyramid shapes in the deep-sea darkness.

Sonar images taken from a research ship 2,000 feet above are even more puzzling. They show that the smooth, white stones are laid out in a geometric pattern. The images look like fragments of a city, in a place where nothing man-made should exist, spanning nearly eight square miles of a deep-ocean plain off Cuba’s western tip…

The discovery immediately sparked speculation about Atlantis, the fabled lost city first described by Plato in 360 B.C.. Weinzweig and Zelitsky were careful not to use the A word and said that much more study was needed before such a conclusion could be reached.

But that has not stopped a boomlet of speculation, most of it on the Internet. Atlantis-hunters have long argued their competing theories that the lost city was off Cuba, off the Greek island of Crete, off Gibraltar or elsewhere. Several Web sites have touted the ADC images as a possible first sighting.

Among those who suspect the site may be Atlantis is George Erikson, a California anthropologist who co-authored a book in which he predicted that the lost city would be found offshore in the tropical Americas.

"I have always disagreed with all the archaeologists who dismiss myth," said Erikson, who said he had been shunned by many scientists since publishing his book about Atlantis. He said the story has too many historical roots to be dismissed as sheer fantasy and that if the Cuban site proves to be Atlantis, he hopes "to be the first to say, ‘I told you so.’ "


Here is a link to the research website:
www.timstouse.com...


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[edit on 3-4-2008 by Jbird]



posted on Apr, 2 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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i've done slight research, not claiming to be an expert or know near as much as Byrd, but is it possible that the story of Atlantis is related to the other countless flood myths across different cultures. I mean, dont they all coincide as far as time period goes, generally?



posted on Apr, 3 2008 @ 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by SageOfWisdom
i've done slight research, not claiming to be an expert or know near as much as Byrd, but is it possible that the story of Atlantis is related to the other countless flood myths across different cultures. I mean, dont they all coincide as far as time period goes, generally?


There have been floods in various parts of the world at various times. They do not coincide AFAIK.

The Greeks were aware of stories of cities being destroyed, perhaps memories of Thera blowing up. In an area prone to earthquakes and earth movement the loss of a city wasn't unreasonable to a story teller of that time.



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 12:27 PM
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I've found an article about an italian journalist who postulates, more or less, the same theory:

Lost Continent of Atlantis Stirs Debate -
Scholars Gather to Debate Merits of Sardinia Theory


Rome, Italy (Oct 13, 2006 18:05 EST) Top scholars have gathered in Rome this week to discuss the exciting and controversial idea that Sardinia is the lost island of Atlantis.
The theory, developed in a book by the Italian journalist Sergio Frau, has drawn international acclaim but also fuelled heated criticism.
Despite selling 30,000 copies in Italy, a detailed 20-point appeal by 250 academics has dismissed the book, claiming it sensationalizes Sardinian history.
But the theory received a major boost last year, when the United Nations cultural heritage body UNESCO organized a symposium on the issue in Paris, suggesting the idea was worth serious consideration. Academics, archaeologists, geologists and historians from across Italy are now meeting in Rome's Accademia dei Lincei to look at the theory in closer depth and discuss possible paths of future research.

Full article here
www.underwatertimes.com...


Italian journalist Sergio Frau has proposed that Sardinia is the lost island of Atlantis.

Frankly, i'm not expert at all in this stuff: i'm just adding this source.
Byrd, i'm impressed by your knowledge on this subject matter: it's always a pleasure to read your posts.



posted on Apr, 6 2008 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by Pier Paolo Saba
Hi ATS.
My name is Pier Paolo Saba, and im a researcher in archeology
from Sardinia, Italy.


First off, since no one has said hi back, welcome to ATS! Hopefully you add to our crazy, strange, fascinating and sometimes frustrating forum board!

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Regarding your research I echo what Byrd said, is there more research and evidence you have concerning your theories and/findings? ATS is a skeptical bunch (rightly so in my view) and we are always peskily asking for sources and such.


Thanks much and again welcome.



posted on Apr, 7 2008 @ 02:31 PM
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Howdy PPS and welcome too

Have you ever been to the site of the village that is built into the cave - with the entrance at the top? The name of which escapes me.



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 08:49 AM
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posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 09:38 AM
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Dear professor,
If you look to the left you will see where i reside.
You may wish to come by and then i can show you all the evidence of where Atlantis is. (Part of it.)
Believe me, it will be mind oppening.

On the other hand i understand that all would love the myth to have been part of their own present land. It is that subconcious wish of being part of it, that can make one see and translate things to his subconcious favour.
It is something like a necesity to believe in your idea, right since it clicked on your mind.

Anyway i do not mean to be disrespectfull to your 30 year study, nor to your work, and i suspect that my post is one you may hate, dismissing from your part any credibility. It is a natural responce...
It is what it is.
Atlantis also is where it is. Let it be.
We are all citizens of the world. We alltogether are one, and Atlantis should be a global heritage, not one to brag about. We are all in one way or another influenced at present by that distant past era of humanity.

I mean peace as well as i meant all of the above.
So my invitation stands for the summer to show you eye-bulging evidence.
One should really look further than his theoretical spatial limitation.

I have studied the matter a lot my self, something like 10 years or so, Sometimes intensively and sometimes casually. Believe me, when i resolved on this a sence of tranquility and balance of the world overwhelmed me. This is what made me ease on the subject and live happily where i am, giving me the strength to work with more important ideas, discused widely in ATS such as consciousnes and its interrelationship with the cosmos.

Note: I have travelled and lived the most part of Europe, while having spend my life as a main resident in three of its countries.
If i am out of the truth, then propably Atlantis is fully submerged at an unexpected place and depth where it is not easy to be perceived.

You have all of my respect,

and remember

The main virtue of being wise is to be humble.

LOVE George.

P.S. In the case i find the time and deside it can be allocated in such a manner, i will be happy to study your work, in order to understand it, rendering me professed in a better way on your views and resolutions.
This may help to advance your work, even to a direction contrary to my beliefs.




posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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Originally posted by Pier Paolo Saba
Given that all the theories started by Platoon's studies

May I ask who Platoon is? And what studies did he do?

Just curious. Unless you're talking about Plato, which never did any studies.

Edit: uh, I just saw the dates. Darn gremlin digging up a dead thread


[edit on 10-2-2009 by merka]



posted on Feb, 10 2009 @ 01:33 PM
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I'm not sure who or how all this churning is done but it is VERY annoying

If this is being done by ATS staff could you explain the reason you bring up old dead threads?




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