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Originally posted by apc
You can only murder a person. I do not believe a fetus up to a certain time is a person. Alive, yes. Person, no.
If it is a person, are we supposed to hold a funeral every time a woman has a miscarriage?
Originally posted by Sublime620
Luckily she had an abortion, which granted her to opportunity to go to college and meet my father.
So because of the abortion:
Who knows what would have happened if she was not able to have one.
Who are you to judge anyone?
Just because a few use it for birth control, that doesn't mean the rest (and the majority) aren't doing it for the right reasons.
Most kids live in orphanages, or as my girlfriend says, "Group Homes" (apparently orphanage is politically incorrect now).
Just like abortion, adoption is not a perfect solution. There is no perfect solution.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I'm aware of the typical anti-choice opinions.
Originally posted by apc
If you don't agree that's perfectly fine. But a lot of people do.
This post made purely to continue the train and give FlyersFan another post to respond to.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
A human heart beat is stopped. That person has been murdered.
Originally posted by dbates
He's going to sink his own ship if he continues like this.
Originally posted by apc
Are people on bypass machines dead?
I qualify a person as a human that is self-aware at some level.
A lump of cells that does not have a brain is not a person.
I encourage counseling because often time psych issues are already present and can be made worse by termination,
Originally posted by apc
There are other people who believe the "soul" does not enter the body until the first breath is taken.
Just live your life in what you consider a dignified manner. If everyone else is wrong and are murderers, you can be content knowing they will burn. But don't try and use violence (government) to force your beliefs onto them.
Originally posted by apc
Generalize all you want but pain receptors don't mean squat if there isn't a brain to process the signals.
Neither of you has any right to force your will onto the other.
Originally posted by Sublime620
I guess we'll just agree to disagree then?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If you don't believe in abortion, don't get one.
But kindly, get off my Kool-aid.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Yes and no. The proof is there that children in the womb feel pain during surgery and require pain killers. Therefore, people should be made aware that the children they are about to shred will die in a painful manner. It's legal. They are allowed to do it. But they aren't being told everything. Educating with the facts isn't 'forcing your will' .. it's just educating. Discussion makes people think. It's good.
Originally posted by apc
falling back on a storybook to support them is not education. It's indoctrination.
Originally posted by apc
You have used the Bible to support your argument..
Originally posted by apc
I think by 21wks the woman should damn well have already figured out if she wanted to continue ...
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
If you don't believe in abortion, don't get one.
Back to that, eh? BH .. that's the same as saying - if you don't believe in murder then don't go kill someone but leave us to kill who we want. If you dont' believe in stealing then don't steal anything, but leave us to steal what we want.
Originally posted by 44soulslayer
If the fetus is considered a life, then would it not violate its natural rights to be terminated?
Originally posted by 44soulslayer
Hence the moral dilemma. Pragmatically of course, abortion is a massive victory for the social and economic infrastructure of a country.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I've tried parsing that last sentence several ways, and still cannot understand what you mean. Please elaborate.