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reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 11:45 AM by FlyersFan
Originally posted by Sublime620
That's your opinion. Not everyone believes that.

No .. that't the truth. Not everyone SEEs it .. but that is the truth.

can you tell us at what point the baby is injected with said soul?

At the moment of life .. conception.

Actually - there is 'evidence' in scripture (if you wish to use scripture as evidence of any kind) . Mary had just concieved Christ. She went to visit her cousin Elizabeth. John the Baptiser was in Elizabeths womb. Upon being in the presence of Christ he was filled with The Holy Spirit. This shows that John (6 months in the womb) was spiritually aware and therefore 'was really there'. This also shows that Christ (just a few days in the womb) was there because John was aware of him being there.

Other than that .. no evidence that I know of.

It's just common sense that there is a human life .. and a human heart beating... and that no one should be stopping that heart from beating. To stop a human heart from beating is to kill that human.

Let's not make this an abortion debate.

Isn't that a little passive/aggressive of you? Supposedly ask the questions and then say 'never mind .. it's all off topic'.

This thread is about how people think obama is saying that babies are punishments,

Actually, this thread is about how Obama said that babies are punishments. Not that people think he said it .. that's what he said.

Abortion is obviously part of that topic.

when in actuality, it was just taking his words out of context.

To use your words - That's your opinion. Not everyone believes that.


reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 11:53 AM by Sublime620
reply to post by FlyersFan


See, I don't think we really need to get into this debate. We can... but it's really kind of off topic.

The reason I say it is off topic is because it's plain to see Obama is not against pro-choice. No one is shocked by that. Are you?

Obama, who is a great speaker, just made a mental faux pas. I'm surprised people would get so angry, we've been dealing with a President who can't deliver planned speeches coherently.


reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 12:59 PM by dbates
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
This is just the right scraping the bottom of the barrel

No, this is about the typical liberal mentality that individuals are not accountable for their actions. The government will be there to protect and nuture you with food stamps, welfare, healthcare and paid for abortions because you* are too stupid to realize, or just too ignorant or lazy to admit that babies only come from sex. Don't want a baby? Then don't have sex. It's a physical law of nature, not a created myth from the conservative right. We want all the fun we can have without the consequences of our actions. Well, the real world doesn't work that way.

The liberal mentality is a slow but sure path to a Marxist government where the government gives you food, pays for your housing, and gives you medical care. All you have to do is be part of the collecitve herd of individual minds who think they're free to do as they please, but in reality are slaves to the government.

Can't you see though the current "crisis" situations in our country? The "Energy crisis", the "housing meltdown", and the healthcare scare. These are simulated, constructed fear-mongering events to create the need for government to take over and run more and more of your personal life. How can liberals pretend to be "progressive" while at the same time, striving to fall back to the time when we were all serfs and the lord of the castle took care of all of our needs?

Abortion is just one other ficticious crisis that liberal leaders love to preach about to control the masses. Yes you need an abortion and you want us to help pay for it. So go out and have all the sex you want without a life partner to help you raise the child. If things don't work out, the government will help you out. Don't be punished with a baby, or a STD. Don't be accountable for your own actions. That would mean you wouldn't need the politicians to care for you.



*you - generically. Not you, Benevolent Heretic


reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 01:44 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by dbates


Right.. because only "liberals" are pro-choice.

Why to make this a more partisan discussion than it already was. What a yada, yada, yada post. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but saying liberals are trying to make this country follow the Marxist path is just irresponsible and, well, wrong.

It's not so cut and dry, abortion, which is why it needs to stay off of this thread. Unless you so believe that you are right and the other 50% of Americans are wrong - which I wouldn't doubt that you do.

Ethics are always open to debate, as some values change and others are open to discussion. However, some people hold values in contrast to other values they hold. For instance:

Someone like you may come in here and say, "OMG abortion is so wrong, liberals are idiots, blah blah blah", and then go into another thead and say, "That child molestor should get the death penalty! Damn liberals are so spineless!".

So really, are we going to discussion abortion - which has been debated for decades - or are we going to discuss the real topic of the post?


*Edited to add:

Sorry, a bit harsh of a post, I just don't like people who sum up every situation as, "Damn those liberals!"

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reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 02:19 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by FlyersFan


I just don't understand why. Everyone KNEW Obama was pro-choice, so why all the commotion about that?

If he was pro-life, now that would be a story.


reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 02:25 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by FlyersFan


I agree, God or no God, life is pretty great and we are lucky to enjoy it.

Sorry for one line, but I just wanted to agree with you FlyersFan.


reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 06:06 PM by Sublime620
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Hey .. ya'll say 'pro-choice' ... we have our buzz words too.


Does that mean I can start calling you guys "Pro-abortionswithcoathangers"?

Originally posted by FlyersFan
You have every right to defend your own life. Abortion to save the life of the mother is NOT the same as murder. It is self defense of your own life. Two totally different things. Everyone has a right to defend their life.. not their lifestyle .. but their life.


Oh I do? Thanks for the tip. It wasn't to save her life. She got pregnant at a young age by some loser. Luckily she had an abortion, which granted her to opportunity to go to college and meet my father.

So because of the abortion:

  • My sister was born. She is very successful marketer working in Washington D.C.

  • I was born. I'm currently planning to major in Accounting, Business, and Computer Science. My end goal is to be an Actuary.

  • She got to attend college. She became a CPA and met my father who is now VP of a major company.

Abortion made my family what it was. Who knows what would have happened if she was not able to have one. Perhaps she would be living in a trailor park with two sons that dropped out of high school. Perhaps not.

Who are you to judge anyone?

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Actually, I think more people discuss the convenience of abortion and they forget the dead child. Abortuaries make it all 'clean' and out of sight.


I truely doubt many think of abortion as "convenient". It's very traumatic to most people, but it's a choice that is made.

Just because a few use it for birth control, that doesn't mean the rest (and the majority) aren't doing it for the right reasons.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Adoption. That's why we have our daughter. Her birth mother didn't kill her. I thank God for my daughter and for her birth mother letting her live.

Right, now if you'll only adopt a few hundred thousand more, we'll be caught up. Most kids live in orphanages, or as my girlfriend says, "Group Homes" (apparently orphanage is politically incorrect now).

While these homes, in America, are pretty good, the children still wind up with major issues when not adopted early. Of course, over seas, the homes are even worse.

Just like abortion, adoption is not a perfect solution. There is no perfect solution.

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reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 08:21 PM by jsobecky
reply to post by Sublime620


Originally posted by Sublime620
I truely doubt many think of abortion as "convenient". It's very traumatic to most people, but it's a choice that is made.

Just because a few use it for bitch control, that doesn't mean the rest (and the majority) aren't doing it for the right reasons.


I sincerely hope that was an unintended typo...


reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 08:36 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by jsobecky




It was. Wow, possibly a Freudian slip of some sort.

*Edited to add:

I fixed it.

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