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Soon after this Zorastrian/Babylonian takeover in about 580BC, The Babylonians were holding the Jews in captivity. The Jews were Henotheists at this time but became heavily influenced by the concept of one god of goodness and one god of evil.
In about 350BC Mithras was sent by the Father God down to Earth to confirm his contract with Man.
Mithras was born of a virgin by immaculate conception.
- He was born of Anahita, an immaculate virgin mother
Mithras was born in a stable.
We celebrate his birth on Dec 25th
Mithras was visited by wise men bearing gifts
Mithras had 12 disciples
He was called the Messiah
- Mithras was also the god of Darius, conqueror of Babylon, He was called "Messiah" or Christos by Jews during their Captivity.
Mithras made a Contract (or Covenant) with Man confirming an older contract with God
- The Persian word Mithras literally means "Contract"
Mithras celebrated a last supper with his disciples before his death
Mithras died to atone for the sins of man
Mithras was resurrected on a Sunday
Mithras ascended into Heaven to rejoin his Father
Mithras will return to pass judgment on mankind
- He was known as the judger of souls
On judgment day, the dead will arise and be judged by Mithras
Mithras will send sinners to Hell
Mithras will send the faithfull to Heaven
On judgment day there will be a final conflict between evil and good.
The forces of evil will be destroyed and the saved will live in paradise forever.
Mithras is part of a holy Trinity that took human form
Mithras is depicted as having a halo
Mithras followers drink wine and eat bread which represent his blood and flesh.
Mithras followers are baptised
That's a whole lot of remarkable coincidences all from hundreds of years before Jesus was born.
The Holy book of Zoroastrian was called the Avesta of Zarathustra (Zoraster is the Greek word for the Persian "Zarathustra"). The Jews were well aware of this book.
(from a museum, based on archaeology and texts)
Various stories survive to account for Mithras's birth. Often he is depicted springing from the living rock or from a tree; at Housesteads on Hadrian's Wall, however, there was a tradition that he was born from the Cosmic Egg. This sculpture shows Mithras bursting from the Egg whilst holding in his upraised hands the Sword of Truth and Torch of Light.
Mithras's early life was one of hardship and painful triumph. Finally,he captured the primaeval bull and, after dragging it back to his cave, killed the animal in order to release its life force for the benefit of humanity: from the bull's body grew useful plants and herbs, from its blood came the vine, and from its semen all useful animals.
Belief in the great power of Mithra was called in question by Zarathushtra or Zoroaster, the great prophet who worked mainly in Eastern Iran and who lived some time between 1000 and 600 B.C.
Originally posted by Lilitu
Yes christians have been duped. Read Caesar's Messiah by Joseph Atwill which reveals christianity as a Roman conspiracy designed to passify the Jews and the Roman slave culture.
Originally posted by EricD
Don't bother. It's hack scholarship. For a nice summation, check out:
Atwill's thesis is eminently worth exploring. Both for its new ideas and for its anti-establishmentarianism in the world of biblical studies, this book is likely to become a notable best seller.
One of the most popular religions of the Roman Empire, especially among Roman soldiers, was Mithraism. Its origins are Persian, and involves their ancient hierarchy of gods, as restructured by Zarathustra (c. 628-c. 551 bc) in the holy books called the Avestas.
The universe was seen as involved in an eternal fight between light and darkness, personified by Ahura-Mazda (good) vs. Ahriman (evil). This idea probably influenced Jews while they were in Babylon, which is when they adopted HaShatan -- Satan -- as the evil one!
Within the Persian pantheon, Mithra was “the judger of souls” and “the protector,” and was considered the representative of Ahura-Mazda on earth.
Mithra, legend says, was incarnated into human form (as prophesized by Zarathustra) in 272 bc. He was born of a virgin, who was called the Mother of God. Mithra's birthday was celebrated December 25 and he was called “the light of the world.” After teaching for 36 years, he ascended into heaven in 208 bc.
There were many similarities with Christianity: Mithraists believed in heaven and hell, judgement and resurrection. They had baptism and communion of bread and wine. They believed in service to God and others.
In the Roman Empire, Mithra became associated with the sun, and was referred to as the Sol Invictus, or unconquerable sun. The first day of the week -- Sunday -- was devoted to prayer to him. Mithraism became the official religion of Rome for some 300 years. The early Christian church later adopted Sunday as their holy day, and December 25 as the birthday of Jesus.
Mithra became the patron of soldiers. Soldiers in the Roman legions believed they should fight for the good, the light. They believed in self-discipline and chastity and brotherhood. Note that the custom of shaking hands comes from the Mithraic greeting of Roman soldiers.
It was operated like a secret society, with rites of passage in the form of physical challenges. Like in the gnostic sects (described below), there were seven grades, each protected by a planet.
Since Mithraism was restricted to men, the wives of the soldiers often belonged to clubs of Great Mother (Cybele) worshippers. One of the women’s rituals involved baptism in blood by having an animal- preferably a bull - slaughtered over the initiate in a pit below. This combined with the myth of Mithra killing the first living creature, a bull, and forming the world from the bull's body, and was adopted by the Mithraists as well.
When Constantine converted to Christianity, he outlawed Mithraism. But a few Zoroastrians still exist today in India, and the Mithraic holidays were celebrated in Iran until the Ayatollah came into power. And, of course, Mithraism survives more subtly in various European -- even Christian -- traditions.
Originally posted by Lilitu
That's a nice review from a bible school graduate. I would recommend more scholarly reviews however. Here is a review by J. Harold Ellens, PhD, Research Scholar, Department of Near Eastern Studies, University of Michigan.
Originally posted by EricD
Ok, if we are going to delve into Argument By Authority, would Dr. Robert Price be a better skeptic? He is a proponent of the Jesus as Myth school himself and is a theology professor but is critical of Atwill.
Originally posted by EricD
BTW, it’s interesting that you ignore the criticisms presented by the techtoniks site due to the lack of the reviewers academic credentials when Atwill (whose work you are supporting) has none.
Originally posted by jpm1602
Well hey, the mormons got their start with John Smith
Originally posted by jpm1602 talking to a fish that said go kill some guy and take his golden plates.
Originally posted by jpm1602 Then Bush says he talks to God.
Originally posted by jpm1602 I consider myself Christian philisophically but are there questions, sure.
Originally posted by jpm1602 Do I think religion in the hands of some can be dangerous and detrimental? Yes.
Originally posted by jpm1602 Do some do their day job, go home, kiss the wife and hug the kids and get up and do it all again without becoming radical. Absolutely. A personal relationship with a higher power should never be constituted as duped, ignorant, or salatious in nature.
Originally posted by misswanderer31
I guess we will find out when we die that christians have been duped or not.
Originally posted by misswanderer31 I guess we will find out when we die that christians have been duped or not.
Originally posted by Lilitu Argumentum Ad Baculum, I guess. Knowing anything requires a living healthy brain and so there is nothing to be known after brain death. Waiting for death to learn the dead do not rise is silliness.
Originally posted by Lilitu Visit any graveyard. The evidence against resurrection is overwhelming. Take a couple of faith-filled christians with you. Remind them of the words attributed to JeZeus to the effect that if any two or more believers gather together in his name and agree on anything they might ask in prayer that god will give it to them. Remind them that "nothing is too hard for god". Ask them to agree and ask that god raise up one of those dead decomposing bodies while you stand there. Do it for your own edification. I already know what the outcome will be.