reply to post by Karlhungis
Sorry from my delayed answer, I just find great threat, and a new member posting that:
The question is, what is the real reason?
Answer can not be exact, its wide, and its also change its form when times go forward. Reason in beginning can be mostly different than today, but
some of it elements doesnt go away, so long as same war is taking place.
In region and our time, there has been three wars between US and Iraq. Every war has its goals, and we can see that goals were achieved in both of
first and second wars. Third is still in stale mate.
First was the liberation of Kuwait.
Second was oversight of Saddam regime.
Third was occupying of Iraq.
I assume you question those reasons for the third war.
In war there are many interest taking their places, and giving their own goals. Usually made by economic, or religious views those can be achieved, or
you can lose your momentums to get those.
In finding the important answer, and you are not making the decissions, or feel un trust towards what has been said by your generals, you have to ask
what has been achieved? And what is we are trying to get achieved here?
Combat situations, in battlefields front lines of different types of forms of warfare, we had seen multiple faces for many interests. Thats is what
somebody is attacking, and what somebody is defending. Many time in this confusing war, battles has taken places in many different places, all over
the world, and by many different interests defending them.
Simple reasons by achievements:
Price of oil, what was promised to rise with three times, is achieved.
Saddam and its government is over run by US, is achieved.
Control of holy places in Iraq, is achieved.
Huge amounts of weapons used, with minimum losses, is achieved.
I see that achieved when Bush take his historical speech in deck of the carrier: "Mission Accomplished" He wasnt lying that time.
In all of his, and whole US point of view, all the goals what they had put to their fighting forces was truly achieved, and generals lift their hands
up, "Nothing more to win here, sir." And he say it to the public with thankful thoughts. Now it was time for the plan of withdraw.
Like wisdom what Syrian minister just said with other words, "War is more than just fighting your goals in battle." And that wisdom havent reach the
coast of USA by this day. Its so sad, but true.
Main reason for todays fighting is in repairing the mistakes, what they have done before. Thats difficult when same war is still going, with trying to
keep goals, witch has already one time achieved. When we talk about quaqmire of Iraq, we are closer for truth of that situation now. Us is no more
attacking, but defending, and they try to do that in foreign soil, with their own values, and by them self.
Reason why they are doing these Basra conflicts and building Iraq army, is to make them self as third party of the crises, but I see its impossible
task, even to one of the best and wise generals that US has, like Petraeus or Mr Fallon. If you start the war, you will suffer its all effects. You
just can not lift your self above the war, if you are reason for that.
Veterans of USA are widely trying to get that message out to public, there is no shame in withdraw, its arts of war by itself, great part of all
Then we have to ask, why are they not doing what is best, even if and when they learn these facts? I see that Iraq was just a step for mr Bush and
global agenda of Christian world. Crusade was in beginning, and their eyes was already in greater reasons than beating poor country and its weak
forces. And they still want to look to that dream: Dominance of middle-east.
I dont go so far now, because my friend owns a Ice-Hockey team, and some satellite will show their crucial play-off game here in other side of the
But to the end...
Reason for continuing war in Iraq today are tied to great mistakes they had in their plans in beginning. Facts and imagination of future situation was
ignored and those who warn from it, was thrown to sidelines.
Greed of victory was greatest reason. With mighty army like US, with most advanced weapons and trained, motivated combat troops, you just can not
loose. That is a fact. They play wargame, and they play it with great effects. And their incredible success was the begin of great defeat.
When general said in public that "combat operations went better than nobody had guts to believe" he was not talking lies. It really went, but
somebody really should give that though to CEO:s. So what, you may ask?
I understand that great mistake when Iraqs national museum gets robbed. From that moment I understand that US is not winning this war, but losing it,
even if they win all the battles in future. There was no plan. Nobody expect that victory will come so easy, and there was no preparations for it.
You need somebody between fighting forces, and public. Between sides, and between population. You need to secure the stance of population, to win its
support, and that US has lost, and thats why it will loose the war.
I just can not understand why they took that greed to over run their minds. They run to victory, to overthrow the statues of government and holy
places, and those images was shown to world... US steps down to its greed.
I said that the, and I said that now: Where is the police, where is the plan? Who will keep the public safe, and who will keep their goals? Peace
keeping is much more difficult than waging wars and battles.
After all I just say this, slow steps is always good steps when victory is in sight. All the hurry is gone, cause you already see the way. Why they
just didnt stop their moves, and set their supporting forces behind attacking forces? If they had no plan to secure the capital, they should done it
BEFORE they enter to it!
In beginning I didnt understand why English had any fighting forces in ground? Where they too greed to share the victory, to take pride to them self
too? In my eyes, US forces was more than enough to do that by soldiers views. They should been that now hardly needed 4th part of the problem after
"Mission Accomplished" ... Peace Keeping Forces Of Iraq, and its mighty attacked US force should been lifted away from the battlefield they