Here is an add on google I found:
REINING CLINIC MAY 3, 2008
What: Reining Clinic with Doug Phipps (www.dougphipps.com) When: Saturday May 3rd (possibly May 18th also)
Where: Paradise Ranch Tumalo, Oregon

Maybe he's just been busy training? Lets ll hope so..
Doug if you log in, just post us a note, so we all don't worry

Hello. I have been trying just to make a little money to survive this month. The clinic was moved to another areana and Im hoping to teach so people can seee if Im the worst ever or not. Not many people give me a chance though with all the bad talk. Im also trying to figure out how to upload more proof like the sliced open passport.... sliced open exactly so you could take the picture in and out. Before 9-11 while in the hands of andy schneider. Also more recordings from the pregnant girl and some people who shut up is gold.. look at there barns...

I gave this thread considerable review. Several things stand out.

First, I'm still at a loss in tying training horses to anything related with 9/11.
I would however, be out of line to conclude that no one knew of the events to come. And quite possibly some of these people may have been among those who did know.

It seems the greatest discontent the OP expresses, and he does this many times, is object to their 'stealing' his training methods.

Finally, I notice the OP begins the thread claiming to be typing on a small telephone, sounding quite incoherent. Several pages later he is uploading files, sound quite coherent, with improved English and grammar no less.

Overall there is very little real evidence (if any) provided, and a huge amount of innuendo leading to possible conclusions.

Please consider it my loss as I cannot understand how the theft of your riding system plays any significant part in the events of 9/11.

At this point, more pictures of men standing on rocks praying and more videos of horses will only further deteriorate this thread.

What we need is: One sentence telling us what you are telling us. In other words, if you are contending that certain persons you were involved with knew of the events that would occur in September of 2001, say it.

You may have some great insight, but until you start with that one sentence telling us what you are going to prove, all the proof in the world means nothing.



[edit on 13-5-2008 by garyo1954]

I applaud you MemoryShock. You picked up the one detail I sincerely regret posting.

I admit that mistake. And I agree with what you have said. There is a great deal of money involved.

Yet, I still stand firm in my assertion that this thread reads like a disjointed gossip column detailing whose ex is now whose spouse and how they coerced and manipulated 'me' into giving them 'my' riding system word for word.

It leaves me wondering what is the conspiracy, or coverup, we are dealing with?

And can we define it?

And if we can, do we have any evidence that we can offer?


(As an aside, I never thought anyone would take me seriously again after that Ronald McDonald post. Thanks, for the benefit of the doubt.)

Originally posted by garyo1954
And can we define it?

And if we can, do we have any evidence that we can offer?

It might be worth it to actually go through the thread and attempt a comprehensive detailing...I may consider it because I think zeus is on to something...

Originally posted by garyo1954
(As an aside, I never thought anyone would take me seriously again after that Ronald McDonald post. Thanks, for the benefit of the doubt.)

I do think that you jumped the gun on that one. zeus has admitted to having english as a secondary language and as a result, I am not surprised to see a disjointed amalgam of his experience, especially if the situation was as rough as he has explained.

That in itself deserves our courtesy.

My apologies to zeus and the rest of the members who are watching this thread.

After rereading some of the points being made here, there are some things being said that I did not see.

Zeus I hope you will continue. I, for one, would very much like to hear more.

Originally posted by MissysWorld
Here is an add on google I found:
REINING CLINIC MAY 3, 2008
What: Reining Clinic with Doug Phipps (www.dougphipps.com) When: Saturday May 3rd (possibly May 18th also)
Where: Paradise Ranch Tumalo, Oregon

Maybe he's just been busy training? Lets ll hope so..
Doug if you log in, just post us a note, so we all don't worry

I really put so many more recordings and pictures up asap. realy.

I apologize for not getting back sooner zeus. I have been busy researching and reading and playing fetch with Dallas. I do my best thinking that way. And it keeps my dog happy.

I've been trying to determine where and why this thread got derailed. And it appears member Anotherreiner had a great deal to do with disrupting the flow. So I have attempted to determine exactly what her points were.

I think Dougs Silence in reply to some relevent questions speaks volumes. Since he is not going to answer the questions I have asked I will tell you the answers. If anyone wants to find some "Evidence" to Refute it...more power to him.

I can't seem to find the relevant questions she is asking. But I'm going to attempt to answer the questions she asked that I feel are relevant to this thread. And I have a few questions for Anotherreiner.

You say you were looking to buy another horse. Now, I tried 'horses for sale' and 'horse buying' but neither led me to ATS. I guess ATS doesn't sell horses. So Anotherreiner, what search term did you use to arrive at this particular thread?

What were your qualifications that led them to ask YOU to go on a secret mission? He has no qualifications...there was NO secret Mission.

Sometimes the best qualifications for doing something is to have no qualifications to do it. In this instance, the options were to have an intel agent train horses, or have a well known horse trainer gather intel. Which makes more sense?

Why do you only have a NRHA show record AFTER going overseas...and nothing in the states? (except one show in 1992) . BECAUSE HE WAS SUSPENDED from the NRHA here in the U.S. !

Irrelevant. Unless you are interviewing for employment. And where it might be true, it has no bearing on the events being investigated here.

Where is the 50 pages of documentation, hours of video and recordings you presented to Senator Smith? If you in fact have all this already in a presentable format...where is it? THERE IS NONE...he is making it up as he goes along.

It should be apparent the documentation and recordings were presented to Senator Smith. What the Senator did with them we do not know. Nor do we know what format they were in when they were presented.

And how do we know your recordings are not fake? There are no names mentioned...so you could be talking about anyone and TOO anyone. And why is there only partial recordings..where is the rest of the conversation?

We don't know those recordings are not fake. If you have proof they are, please present it.

Are you currently a AQHA/NRHA member in good standing or are you suspended?

Another irrelevant question. But to offer some insight: sometimes a door closes and another opportunity presents itself. Sometimes, when you are dealing with money, power, and government a door is closed to direct you in a direction they feel is necessary. Food for thought.

Where is the video of you riding prior to 1996 with your so called system that you claim was stolen?

I haven't seen that claim made in the 40 pages I read. I may have overlooked it, however. So please bring that post to my attention. I do see where the statement was made that Doug has spent years working on his system.

In every facet of his life...Doug is a person of questionable character...the biggest one being he has lied about his accomplishments (50 World Champions). It is no different here with the crud he is trying to feed to people.

This is a broad brush. Unless one has extensive knowledge of, and is privy to every event in another person's life, it is an outrageous claim. But as I have seen, Anotherreiner offers a great deal of knowledge regarding who Doug worked for, the horses he trained, the barns he used, the people he knew.....in fact, she recalls a 'burgundy dually with primer' he drove ten years ago!

I can't figure if that poster is jealous, obsessed, or perhaps a stalker.

In the end, there is not one single word Anotherreiner has offered that carries weight, or shows any merit as to whether Doug Phipps was recruited to go overseas to gather intel.

Now what I know to be true:

American cowboys are patriotic and loyal to a fault. Emeessa has even given us specific point where Doug demonstrated this trait.

And what I see:

Doug feels betrayed by his country.

He acted as a patriotic American cowboy who was overseas training horses and standing toe to toe with some very bad people who were planning some evil to be carried out against his nation. He was, at the request of his friends/ government acquaintances collecting intel that would help stop, or punish the perpetrators. And he admits to turning them in.

Yet, he does not come home to a cowboy welcome. Rather he comes home to find that, Clinton Anderson of Australia, has taken the very system of training horses that he has worked to perfect all these years, and is selling it to Americans.

Anybody see anything otherwise?

[edit on 16-5-2008 by garyo1954]

Going back thru the posts, Zeus had spoke about Tornado Lady, and how she was in fact someone called "Silke". Some pages back, I wrote and posted links, that I had found Tornado Lady's posts on a german horse forum, and they were all about trashing Doug Phipps reputation. Then two ppl started posting here, doing the same, trashing his reputation, and Zeus said that one person here posting, was in fact Tornado Lady.
Today I found posts on another forum by Tornado Lady, and on one she left "Silke" under her post name. I later found an e-mail addy for Tornado Lady and for Silke..It matched to both, so they are one in the same person.
I then took that addy and found that this person has a website, with her pictured with her horse. I sent that link to Zeus, and he has confirmed that the picture is that of Tornado Lady AKA Silke. My reason for posting this is just to show that he was right when he said they are the same person, and that he knew this person in Germany.
I have the link to that homepage but not sure if I can post it??
Is that okay to do or not?
If a moderator could be so kind?


[edit on 16-5-2008 by MissysWorld]

Let us all remember this post from Zeus, and how the horse industry is more than ribbons and cheers..


posted on 2-4-2008 @ 07:51 PM single this post "quote"REPLY TO:


Connecting reining horses and horses to terror. THE HEAD OF ANTITERROR FOR FRANCE HIS DAUGHTERS NAME IS PRICILLA JAQUARED??SP?? She owns smart chic horses from bAbbcock ranch. In fact her horse was shown at the mallorca reining festival. In germany and europe most of the big mafia guys have reining horses. Mafias sell the heroin for the taliban. The Italians but the best reining horse mares every year. The black money in the horse scene almost all comes from mafia money. If you want to launder money its easy to sell your horse to the guy you gave the cocaine to for a huge profit. Who can argue if someone gives you 50 thousand extra for a horse its legal and then the money is clean. AT the futurity sale last year 5 horses sold for 250000'00 or more.....

I have to say that, without a doubt, this is the one thread that befuddles me the most. Everything is just shades of grey. The Mafia laundering drug money via horses and all of that somehow trying into certain aspects of 9/11 in Germany? The responses of the people trashing the OP seem too out of line considering they would have had to track him down to ATS in the first place to trash him.

I don't know how it all fits together, but it seems to have some plausibility thrown in with a lot of extra garbage.

I don't know what to make of it. More than meets the eye, or so it seems.

Hi all,

I am glad to see a few of you have stuck with the thread and produced some more amazing links; awesome work guys.

That said I just want to add something to the mix and also see what you peeps think so please bear with me and feel free to ask me any questions if anything is unclear to you.

Here it is; when the mass population think of 9/11 they automatically think of Osama Bin Laden, this kept throwing me at first because I don’t believe the Al- Qaeeda for one second had the skills to carry out 9/11 (demolition charges etc) but here we have a Zeus/Doug claiming to of been nearly recruited to work for Osama bin laden one month before 9/11 took place (and also Andy was supposedly recruiting or recruited the people to carry out other terrorist activities and possibly 9/11 too); it would appear at face value to indicate Osamas guilt in the 9/11 act (this is what is causing the confusion for me anyway).

It is of my opinion that if Andy was recruiting for Osama and you heard talk of many Americans dieing then it was nothing to do with 9/11 but some other plot that was going to take place i.e. an American embassy etc (there are many places a lot of Americans can die) but what you heard had nothing to do with 9/11.

The reason I believe this is because they arrested Andy S. and let him go with no charges as far as I know; he either had good connections or was smart enough to keep himself clean or both but we know arrests were also made in Germany of some 15/20 Neo Nazis leading me to believe that Andy S. was indeed recruiting and possibly for Osama too but simply not for 9/11 as you believe hence the confusion in the thread and why they ruined your career for exposing their dirty plans.
You just happened to hear those comments around the time of 9/11 and jumped to the conclusion that the comments you had recently heard were related to the recent events of 9/11 and so you told certain people and they looked into your claims and found not the perpetrators of 9/11 but a group of Neo-Nazis planning to blow up something American in Germany etc. After all your only links involving these people and 9/11 are only your thoughts on what you actually over heard; there is no way you could of possibly known it was 9/11 they were talking about as for a start it was not called 9/11 until after the event.

Sorry if that is not easy to understand but this is a deep rabbit hole with no bottom; this thread has led me to some very dark revelations about some of our so called betters/leaders; makes me want to vomit literally; this is the sort of thread you have to step back from once in a while; to get your breath back and feel the sun light; my heart goes out to you Zeus.

The last thing I want to add is that I now am sure that Osama was nothing more than a puppet of the Bush/CIA family to use over the years to fit their own agendas one of them being the fall of Russia where British and American troops were secretly sent into Afghanistan and used to make the Taliban situation look worse than it appeared hence forcing them Russia to fight a war which they were doomed to loose and that eventually broke their back and ended the cold war.

Saddam Hussein is another example of the CIA using people to their own ends.
I think 9/11 was the result of the CIA having used Osama and Saddam; they eventually ran out of needs to use them and in turn just thought they could ditch the pair of them and they would quietly fade into the back ground but I believe that Saddam in his position of wealth decided to fund Osama bin laden and seek revenge for them both being used hence the Jihad against U.S.A.
The real reason Andy S. was recruiting for Osama in the first place; not to find people to take over planes but professional people to train their Taliban fighters; to make sure that next time America came to the middle east they would not find it so easy as per operation desert storm which just saw Saddams army’s being smashed to dust. I mean think about it; why would Osama need to recruit men for his jihad when the middles east has a massive population to choose from who don’t need money to fight; just weapons.

This scared the CIA or the part that knew anyway hence the drastic plan for 9/11 was drafted in (the good of the many out way the good of the few is I am sure how they justified such an act against their own people) in order for them to go in and silence the pair of them and cut the head off the snake as it were. Either this or it had been planned some 30 years ago in the aim to give America greater access to the middle east oil but this I highly doubt as I believe they saw a window of opportunity to end the cold war with Russia and took it and now they are paying the price.

There is so much more it is staggering!!
Can the war on terror can really be answered by this thread?
I think so..
I would appreciate any faults you may see being pointed out and corrected; thank you.

Peace to all.