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Here is an add on google I found:
REINING CLINIC MAY 3, 2008
What: Reining Clinic with Doug Phipps (www.dougphipps.com) When: Saturday May 3rd (possibly May 18th also)
Where: Paradise Ranch Tumalo, Oregon

Maybe he's just been busy training? Lets ll hope so..
Doug if you log in, just post us a note, so we all don't worry

Hello. I have been trying just to make a little money to survive this month. The clinic was moved to another areana and Im hoping to teach so people can seee if Im the worst ever or not. Not many people give me a chance though with all the bad talk. Im also trying to figure out how to upload more proof like the sliced open passport.... sliced open exactly so you could take the picture in and out. Before 9-11 while in the hands of andy schneider. Also more recordings from the pregnant girl and some people who shut up is gold.. look at there barns...

reply to post by zeusadam

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Glad you're ok, zeus. I was worried.

Definitely let us know when you have more info to post.

And best of luck with the horses and stuff. I hope people disciver they have been lied to about you.

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I tried but I have no idea what you are actually trying to say in your post, even after reading it twice !
Graeme.

I gave this thread considerable review. Several things stand out.

First, I'm still at a loss in tying training horses to anything related with 9/11.
I would however, be out of line to conclude that no one knew of the events to come. And quite possibly some of these people may have been among those who did know.

It seems the greatest discontent the OP expresses, and he does this many times, is object to their 'stealing' his training methods.

Finally, I notice the OP begins the thread claiming to be typing on a small telephone, sounding quite incoherent. Several pages later he is uploading files, sound quite coherent, with improved English and grammar no less.

Overall there is very little real evidence (if any) provided, and a huge amount of innuendo leading to possible conclusions.

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If all the recordings pictures aND ETC, WHERE PUT TOGETHER COHERANTLY i WOULD ASUME that there is alot of proof of what has been stated directly from Chertoffs cousin, Terry Ahlberg,(Steve Ahlbergs wife, special warfare tackticks from the navy) and senator smiths office. Yes i used a computer to upload some of the proof and I got tired of being called stupid for misspelling things so I have payed attention to that also.. A little note I had not written or read in english for nearly 8 years. I will asap upload more I wanted to see the NASA anouncement first.

Please consider it my loss as I cannot understand how the theft of your riding system plays any significant part in the events of 9/11.

At this point, more pictures of men standing on rocks praying and more videos of horses will only further deteriorate this thread.

What we need is: One sentence telling us what you are telling us. In other words, if you are contending that certain persons you were involved with knew of the events that would occur in September of 2001, say it.

You may have some great insight, but until you start with that one sentence telling us what you are going to prove, all the proof in the world means nothing.



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Thorough Breds and the Ultra Wealthy

Consider the amount of money it takes to raise champion horses and to breed them. Ever note the 'snobbery of a dog show handler'? Horse Racing/Breeding is the big time.

So if our pal zeus here was involved with horses, then he may just have been considered well enough in his vocation to be commissioned by the elite in this sport. Which would have given him social proximity to Big Money. And where there is money...there is controversy.

I think he may be accurate in plenty of the details here.....

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I applaud you MemoryShock. You picked up the one detail I sincerely regret posting.

I admit that mistake. And I agree with what you have said. There is a great deal of money involved.

Yet, I still stand firm in my assertion that this thread reads like a disjointed gossip column detailing whose ex is now whose spouse and how they coerced and manipulated 'me' into giving them 'my' riding system word for word.

It leaves me wondering what is the conspiracy, or coverup, we are dealing with?

And can we define it?

And if we can, do we have any evidence that we can offer?


(As an aside, I never thought anyone would take me seriously again after that Ronald McDonald post. Thanks, for the benefit of the doubt.)

It might be worth it to actually go through the thread and attempt a comprehensive detailing...I may consider it because I think zeus is on to something...



I do think that you jumped the gun on that one. zeus has admitted to having english as a secondary language and as a result, I am not surprised to see a disjointed amalgam of his experience, especially if the situation was as rough as he has explained.

That in itself deserves our courtesy.

My apologies to zeus and the rest of the members who are watching this thread.

After rereading some of the points being made here, there are some things being said that I did not see.

Zeus I hope you will continue. I, for one, would very much like to hear more.

I really put so many more recordings and pictures up asap. realy.

I apologize for not getting back sooner zeus. I have been busy researching and reading and playing fetch with Dallas. I do my best thinking that way. And it keeps my dog happy.

I've been trying to determine where and why this thread got derailed. And it appears member Anotherreiner had a great deal to do with disrupting the flow. So I have attempted to determine exactly what her points were.



I can't seem to find the relevant questions she is asking. But I'm going to attempt to answer the questions she asked that I feel are relevant to this thread. And I have a few questions for Anotherreiner.

You say you were looking to buy another horse. Now, I tried 'horses for sale' and 'horse buying' but neither led me to ATS. I guess ATS doesn't sell horses. So Anotherreiner, what search term did you use to arrive at this particular thread?



Sometimes the best qualifications for doing something is to have no qualifications to do it. In this instance, the options were to have an intel agent train horses, or have a well known horse trainer gather intel. Which makes more sense?



Irrelevant. Unless you are interviewing for employment. And where it might be true, it has no bearing on the events being investigated here.



It should be apparent the documentation and recordings were presented to Senator Smith. What the Senator did with them we do not know. Nor do we know what format they were in when they were presented.



We don't know those recordings are not fake. If you have proof they are, please present it.



Another irrelevant question. But to offer some insight: sometimes a door closes and another opportunity presents itself. Sometimes, when you are dealing with money, power, and government a door is closed to direct you in a direction they feel is necessary. Food for thought.



I haven't seen that claim made in the 40 pages I read. I may have overlooked it, however. So please bring that post to my attention. I do see where the statement was made that Doug has spent years working on his system.



This is a broad brush. Unless one has extensive knowledge of, and is privy to every event in another person's life, it is an outrageous claim. But as I have seen, Anotherreiner offers a great deal of knowledge regarding who Doug worked for, the horses he trained, the barns he used, the people he knew.....in fact, she recalls a 'burgundy dually with primer' he drove ten years ago!

I can't figure if that poster is jealous, obsessed, or perhaps a stalker.

In the end, there is not one single word Anotherreiner has offered that carries weight, or shows any merit as to whether Doug Phipps was recruited to go overseas to gather intel.

Now what I know to be true:

American cowboys are patriotic and loyal to a fault. Emeessa has even given us specific point where Doug demonstrated this trait.

And what I see:

Doug feels betrayed by his country.

He acted as a patriotic American cowboy who was overseas training horses and standing toe to toe with some very bad people who were planning some evil to be carried out against his nation. He was, at the request of his friends/ government acquaintances collecting intel that would help stop, or punish the perpetrators. And he admits to turning them in.

Yet, he does not come home to a cowboy welcome. Rather he comes home to find that, Clinton Anderson of Australia, has taken the very system of training horses that he has worked to perfect all these years, and is selling it to Americans.

Anybody see anything otherwise?

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Extremely right on point add to it the VERY PERSON who was turned in was protected from people here and Clinton Anderson and covering up this was the only thing they cared about.

Going back thru the posts, Zeus had spoke about Tornado Lady, and how she was in fact someone called "Silke". Some pages back, I wrote and posted links, that I had found Tornado Lady's posts on a german horse forum, and they were all about trashing Doug Phipps reputation. Then two ppl started posting here, doing the same, trashing his reputation, and Zeus said that one person here posting, was in fact Tornado Lady.
Today I found posts on another forum by Tornado Lady, and on one she left "Silke" under her post name. I later found an e-mail addy for Tornado Lady and for Silke..It matched to both, so they are one in the same person.
I then took that addy and found that this person has a website, with her pictured with her horse. I sent that link to Zeus, and he has confirmed that the picture is that of Tornado Lady AKA Silke. My reason for posting this is just to show that he was right when he said they are the same person, and that he knew this person in Germany.
I have the link to that homepage but not sure if I can post it??
Is that okay to do or not?
If a moderator could be so kind?


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