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Come on doug tell us the truth
First Bob Avila stole your system than it was pat parelli, than clinton anderson, than it was Andy selling it to clinton then you said your harddisk was stolen with all files on it than again bob was selling it to clinton than what ?
isnt that weired ?
What exactly is your system i ask again ? and when did you invented it ?

Em, I appreciate you coming out and helping us with this. Your English is great considering its not your tongue. Cute dreads too! Wish my wife still had hers. You should look up a band called 'Lost World' .. from Germany I think. They are a little obscure and the sound is not for everyone, but they have lyrics in 4 different languages and their words are right in line with some of your words.

I agree with you about tying religion and patriotism into this, as Doug has, but it has a small place here. I have sometimes dismissed a lot of it as brainwashing (which actually reinforces Doug's story with the MK Ultra) but I still hold deep respect and reverence toward an individual's spirituality. I believe there are fragments of truth to all religions.. its just that the puppet masters love to attach their strings to them all. Spiritual matters seem to command some of our deepest motivations. The problems come when we rush to define it, and when others define it for us.

Speaking of Patriotism, it is another tool. I used to be a snotty little anti-american punk kid until I learned a little history about what this place was supposed to be. Maybe it was some good propaganda, but I came out of it a little proud of what I am. You see at one time in the 1700s this place successfully dethroned its ruler and made its citizens sovereign kings, inspiring France and others across the globe to do the same. The public servants we hired were left to their own devices long before I was born. The dream has been taken apart bit by bit over the years, but a lot of misguided people here still hold faith that it somehow remains intact. Can't say I blame them.. if it did, I would.

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As for the thread in general: Never wrestle with a pig ... you'll both get dirty, and only the pig will enjoy it.

I see a lot of wasted effort arguing, a lot of effort that could have been used to organize Doug's story and add to researching/verifying/refuting his claims. I can see, and Ama noticed too, people grab the most subjective statements to tear apart. Forget the petty crap, if you people are in this for the TRUTH I suggest you think and revise before you post, and get back to work organizing/researching the info. I'm talking BOTH sides here.

It is asinine to argue about a story that has not yet been fully told.

Oh i forgot this Version of somebody stole your system: "My rival horse trainer was Russ Brown. His cotrainer married my ex. His ex Terry married Steve Ahlberg. Special warfare tackticks for the navy. He is the director oregon quarter horse. Look. They took my way of training and sold it word for word with clinton anderson".
A lot of different Storys so who was it now stole what ?

Yes that is part of what we are trying to figure out. I was under the impression it was the same version, and that they are connected.

Vittorio Rabboni 2005 Buckskin Stallion Claude Lindsey $200,000
Shiners Lottery Shining Spark X Lottatimecash (Nu Cash)
Ron Thompson 2005 Palomino Stallion Robert Webb $100,000
With two year old reining horses selling for 100,000.00 dollars and over this is a little motive for what I have been saying. World class reinng horses are big, big money.
With the dollar being so low someone here could find them for chreap and sell them for alot overseas. Not necesarilly giving the american family all the money for the horse.
Anyone who has ever tried to train horseas know that you must spend alot of time learning YEARS AND YEARS from the masters to put together a sucessful program. The hand weight and leg positions where never advertised before the pictures of the riding system was take.
And yes some toes are stepped on but I have more tapes. They would do anything not to let people know what was really going on in germany before 9-11.
It could be that andy is secret german police??? Is there proof he has no prison record?
I had hoped this would prove how close america was to stopping the attacks.
Heins said to me before 9-11... In WW2 my father was captured by america and the americans said stand behind us .. when the germans did the americans shot them all dead but my father who escaped. Soon America you can stand behind us.
Well it looks like thats exactly what happend what chance was there to catch Andy if while living at a german police officers house.. Tolksdorfs, We where standing behind germany right? That these events occured to an american cowboy in germany before and after 9-11 while living there should open some serious questions. I will try to put up the sliced open passport ASAP along with more recordings. There are a couple I dont want to put here but senators plural have heard them. The people in Mallorca that seemed to not want Andy arrested where also german. So I often wonder would the outcome have been so differant if Andy could have been kidnapped and ME question him while the CIA was there?? That wouild have been poetic justice.

AND ANOTHER REINER WHY DONT YOU CALL OREGON SENATORS AND TELL ON ME??????
iS THE WHOLE WAR ON TERROR A SCAM LIKE CLINTON ANDERSON??
Theres a whole lot of crooked people that have a lot to lose over this.

THE SYSTEM in the TERRY AHLBERG recordings is the inside leg way of riding a western horse. There is absolutely no evidence which predates mine that it came from anywhere else. NONE 0000 Otherwise they would jump up and down and show us the pictures. Anyone have videos and pictures of clinton riding in australia before he came to USA with the same system??? Of course not or they would have posted them. Again word for word the same system?
Im hitting the ignore button on the two jokers and would hope the moderator would ban them from here as they are proffesionally messing with peoples heads here distracting away from the proof I have already provided.

As far as contacting Oregon Senators...according to YOU...you already submitted all your documentation, recordings and video to Senator Gordon Smiths office? However, I believe the FBI in Portland, specifically the Internet Crimes Department has been contacted.
I have also contacted just about every person you have accussed and/or quoted here and in your Poster Boy For War On Terror message...with the exception of anyone overseas. It has been rather easy to find everyones contact info on the internet...I figure it would be good to hear their side of the story. But I am sure you do not want to hear about that.....

You still have not answered my questions...

What were your qualifications that led them to ask YOU to go on a secret mission?

Why do you only have a NRHA show record AFTER going overseas...and nothing in the states? (except one show in 1992)

Where is the 50 pages of documentation, hours of video and recordings you presented to Senator Smith? If you in fact have all this already in a presentable format...where is it?

And how do we know your recordings are not fake? There are no names mentioned...so you could be talking about anyone and TOO anyone. And why is there only partial recordings..where is the rest of the conversation?

Here is are some other questions to add...Are you currently a AQHA/NRHA member in good standing or are you suspended? Have you ever been suspended from these associations? If so..why?

Your system...is not the same system that Clinton is teaching. Clinton Anderson did not steal your sytem of training. I actually think you are trying to steal something from him.
I came across an ad you posted on equine.com VERY deceptive...you are trying to hook people in using Clinton Andersons name..your ad says
"Free Training Video CLINTON ANDERSON"...your are trying to deceive them into watching your videos.
HERE is the link FREE Training Videos, CLINTON ANDERSON.
I am starting to think you are trying to STEAL from Clinton Anderson. You are jealous that he found success in the US...when you failed...maybe it is YOU who is trying to steal his system of training? Where are the videos of you training with this "system" PRE 1996 when Clinton Anderson came to the states?
Clinton Anderson learned from some great trainers...including Bob Loomis. He took what he learned from these great trainers and created his own program. He actually does alot of ground work...which you have not even mentioned. His articles and videos cover everything from being barn sour, clipping, water crossing, Bubble Space Issues, trail riding, reining and overall just general horse handling/owning/training.

Ever heard this saying..........
"Success breeds Jealousy...Jealousy breeds hate"


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well when you read all posts from doug you will find a lot lies in them.
on time he say andy and osama are friends and andy knew about the 9/11 before it happened than again he says andy was asking doug if he wants to help andy find and arrest osama. that dont make sense like the stealing of this system who stole it ?
so many people now have been told stole the system and also who sold it then ?
dont believe this man just a single word.
so how come that every single person doug met was against him after ?
because he said the truth ?
i am still waiting of the answers of my questions doug.
tell me one person who know you that would say that you are not sick in your head.
i bet not even your father would.

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Hi all,

Well what can I say to proceedings so far hmmmmmm……. Well it is good to see much has not been added to the discussion from about page 23 or shall we say when our friends or should that be Doug’s ex-friends decided to chip in and move the thread away from the topic that we should be focused on.

Again a simple request for those few who do not see eye to eye with what Zeus is posting please provide links to back up the BS that you keep touting…. You have offered nothing but harsh words towards Zeus which just for the record has never claimed to be Doug Phipps; that is a presumption on our part due to the evidence presented and posts made thus far my point being that this could be anyone playing the part of Doug Phipps; perhaps someone that knows Doug personally and knows enough to tell the story for him and willing to take on the fight; who knows…….

That said Zeus I have a couple more questions that might allow me to fill in the last few pieces if you would be so kind.

1. How and when did you become friends with Andy Schneider?? Was it after you returned from Israel or while you were in Israel??? What were the circumstances that actually lead to you meeting Andy??


2. What did you hear exactly or to the best of your memory before 9/11 that you believe could of made a big difference to the effect of maybe stopping it from taking place?? What did you hear that prompted you to turn these people in and in doing so crush your own career?? (This is important so please do your best).


Also I believe your best way to deal with what you know and the recordings, pictures etc is to consider approaching one of these web sites that deals exclusively with the matter of 9/11 as I do believe with what you know could maybe end the mystery of who was behind that awful deed. I should imagine that they would be prepared to put it all together and help you bring it to a place where it can be presented in the proper context with no confusion involved but I must be honest with you I fear that you must take precautions for your safety; the people involved with this I am very sure could make you disappear quite easily I would guess.

As soon as I get your answers I will sum up what I have come across and post back but for those others interested in this thread too go back to 1970/80 and google business dealings between the Bin Laden family and Bush family; this I believe is where it began and Doug was the unlucky chap caught in the cross fire of something that has been going on for at least 30 years.

Bless you all and I hope we can get this nailed down just so we can lay this thread to bed and produce something a lot cleaner and polished so please feel free to correct me if I have stated anything incorrectly.

As you can see though, it needs to be more organized to be taken seriously or let alone understood by more people. Quite a puzzle, but he came to what I assume to be the best place to hash this thing out. This or other conspiracy sites. From what I have read here on ATS, this community has some real seasoned conspiracy experts. We need to dredge out the facts and make this comprehensible so it can be read for what it is.

I don't think it would be off the wall for me to say there has got to be at least a few lawyers, investigators and other professionals who are still picking through the 9-11 event. I would be interested to hear what one of them along with the 9-11 truth community as a whole would have to bounce off Doug's story.

So there is step one and two.

I think Dougs Silence in reply to some relevent questions speaks volumes. Since he is not going to answer the questions I have asked I will tell you the answers. If anyone wants to find some "Evidence" to Refute it...more power to him.

What were your qualifications that led them to ask YOU to go on a secret mission? He has no qualifications...there was NO secret Mission.

Why do you only have a NRHA show record AFTER going overseas...and nothing in the states? (except one show in 1992) . BECAUSE HE WAS SUSPENDED from the NRHA here in the U.S. !

Where is the 50 pages of documentation, hours of video and recordings you presented to Senator Smith? If you in fact have all this already in a presentable format...where is it? THERE IS NONE...he is making it up as he goes along.

And how do we know your recordings are not fake? There are no names mentioned...so you could be talking about anyone and TOO anyone. And why is there only partial recordings..where is the rest of the conversation?
They are FAKE....probably recently recorded between Doug and one of his few supporters.

Are you currently a AQHA/NRHA member in good standing or are you suspended?
SUSPENDED from the AQHA in 1999!
SUSPENDED from the NRHA...suspended indefinitely.
CALL either association...you will get the same answers.

Where is the video of you riding prior to 1996 with your so called system that you claim was stolen?
There is none.

In every facet of his life...Doug is a person of questionable character...the biggest one being he has lied about his accomplishments (50 World Champions). It is no different here with the crud he is trying to feed to people.

Actually..he has claimed to be DOUG Phipps...look at all the links HE has posted to his youtube Videos of him riding. Also he has posted a few show results of horses he has shown. If he wanted to deny that he was Doug Phipps...he would have done that...but he has not.

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Honestly..there are just some people here that WANT to believe Doug. If they want to make a Hobby out of searching for evidence thats not there...have at it.
I am just satisfied in knowing his already bad reputation in the horseworld has been farther ruined by his own words.
He left a big wound in alot of peoples lives...after ruining their horses, taking there money and compromising their children. You only need to go to any of the horse messageboards where he is being talked about to see there are more than just TWO of us who have disdain towards him and are sharing their stories of his abusive ways.

@ loving america and another reiner. I and many other people can tell u that doug isn´t sick in his head, but u both are more than that. it´s hard for doug to trust people, because he made really bad experience with them. but he also knows that there a good people in the world, who wants the best for him. I know doug thousand times more, cause I´m his girlfriend. we stayed always 24h together. so I alsp watched him riding the whole time. the horses had never any problems with their mental ans physical health... ask also emeessa. I don´t know her personally, casuse I wasn´t at this barn. so there are two independent statements, which say that doug is no liar and that he i has a big heart as a human being, cause he is always caring for other people and as a horseman who really cares about the animals! I know that he has sent that stuff to senator gordon smith, cause I´ve taken the letter to the post. I also sat next to him, if he taped some calls.

Hallo Lisa
You remind me of Ivonne when she was Dougs Girlfriend.
She was always backing him with the same Words.And i have no idea why girls can be that stupid to believe all that #. but asking ivonne now she says i feel so sorry that i was that dumb she did not recognized that doug smoked weed all the time and also she did not knew doug went to the whorehouses when ever he could.
he cares for other people ? like clinton yes ? what about the lies that we already evidenced ? 50 world title horses ? come on name them.
he cares for the horses ? do you wanna have names that will tell you what doug did to their horses ? yes gordon smith received it already and do you wanna know what he said ? this man needs help from a doctor.what about the tapes where are they ?

i copyed this from another forum talking about doug:
Oh yeah!! Good ole' Doug.Talk about abusive, that guy took the cake!! He had his Arab stallion Muscatell boarded at an Appy training barn in Forest Grove,Oregon (Robin Williams and Shannon McCoullough) He had a bunch of Arabs training to be reiners there.He would just run and beat these poor horses until they had absolutely NOTHING left to give.I saw more than a few youngsters hit the floor in fear and exhaustion.He and I had words when I saw him spur an Arab stallion until his sides looked like hamburger.I took photos and told him I was taking pictures to show the horse owner and anyone else who thought he was such a "GREAT TRAINER" When he was training over at Valley West in Cornelius,Oregon,I DID get the pleasure of seeing a little 4 year old Arab filly spin herself right out from underneath him during a horse show intermission ( where he liked to show off his great training skills LOL) He was lobster red with embarrassement and MAD,MAD,MAD!!!He jerked that little filly out of there and headed out of the arena.When he got out of sight of the spectators,he was beating the living @$#% out of her. I took pictures of him to again show the owners what they were paying him to do to their horse.If he could have,I'm sure he would have loved to beat me instea.He had a freaking posse after him, after that incident.He was also kicked out of the barn and blackballed from the area.He goes from barn,to barn,to barn.He ended up in Europe for a number of years, but I saw a few months ago that he's back in the States.Did he have spectacular reiners....ABSOLUTELY ! Was he extremely cruel and abusive....ABSOLUTELY ! Even after 10 years the mere mention of his name makes me sick. Hey Doug,remember Maxxim???.....Karma,baby........Karma.....

I was gonna back off for a while, see where this led, but darn it all, I just had to respond.



So you say. He says otherwise. IF you are running damage control, this would be what you would say. But the fact is, we are working on establishing some of his claims.



And that could NEVER have been a part of retribution? If what he is saying is true, I imagine that lies and rumors have run amok in the NRHA, and maybe some strings pulled to get him suspended. This "fact" (if it is one) is irrelevant.



Maybe, maybe not. I don't know if zeus is still on a cell phone, but he started out here that way, and maybe he doesn't have the authorization or capability to upload a whole lot at one time. But he has surely given us quite a bit, overall, to work with. So your statement cannot be proved, and there is enough to suspect you of making an inaccurate statement here.



Again, that's your word. The fact that fakers will tend to change their story over time, and the fact that the story remains the same over a great many years, suggests that there is a high likelihood of the presented evidence being valid.



Oh, I don't doubt it. But the reasons WHY may be tainted with with lies. Most likely so, if what zeus says is true. So this proves nothing.



If you say so. I don't have vids of me writing stories, yet that does not mean the stories I wrote cannot be mine. This is proof of nothing.



Well, I blushingly admit that I have embellished my resume in the past. And this seems irrelevant, since the question is not is Doug a trainer of 50 World Champions. It is whether he has information that will further reveal that 9/11 was an inside job, and whether a system developed by him was stolen in retribution for having tried to inform the CIA.

Well I couldn't let these misleading questions and opinions (composed as answers) go unaddressed, lest others here might think there is necessarily any validity in what is being opined.

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This proves nothing. If Doug's claims are true, there are others doing damage control too. So we must take this "evidence" as suspect.