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Parents accused of abducting suspected molester

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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 05:46 PM
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If it were me I would be showing the police how this guy had a series of unfortunate accidents.

"Officer I swear it was so strange he kept hitting himself in the head with my tire iron. I tried to stop him when he fell off the skyscraper. It's so sad, to see someone step out in front of a speeding steam roller like that."

You get the idea....

The justice system should just conveniently forget that this happened.

Judge: Strange I don't seem to see your file here, I guess your free to go.




posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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I think I understand now. The laws are only for the bad guys. The good guys get to decide which laws they obey and which ones they can break if they believe they have a valid reason. Sounds alot like Bush and Co. approach.



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 05:52 PM
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Alert please - CONSIDER THIS:

No way should this couple get convicted - unless they don't face a jury (a judge just might screw them over) this is why:

There is a little known principle established within the Federal Legal System in the United States called "JURY NULLIFICATION".

The object of the principle is to guarantee that regardless of the 'law' as codified by legislators and justices is to ensure that the nature of the law (for whom the law is 'administered' by the system) is expressed as the people desire and see fit within their community.

This is to say that the JURY has the power (which can not be overruled by judicial or legislative decree) to say - REGARDLESS OF THE LETTER OF THE LAW - this person is NOT subject to the law under which they are being prosecuted or charged.

This power is one of the best kept secrets of the legal system because it means the JURY is the ultimate authority in legal matters NOT THE JUDGE (you can imagine why Judges often threaten attorneys with contempt if they dare broach this subject during trials.)

Hence, at least in this country - even if the parents had skinned the guy alive on video - if the JURY is fine with it - the 'officers of the court' can go suck an egg. A jury cannot be ORDERED to do anything - Judges just HATE THAT FACT. (In fact it's quite the contrary - legal purists know that it is the JURY who is the ultimate authority - the DA and Judge are there to help them interpret the law - NOT to administer it.)

This among several other little tidbits of power was irrevocably granted to the people in the spirit of recognition that this is THEIR court - not the judges nor the DA's.

If you ever get called to grand jury duty you can watch the tap dance begin if you ask the DA about this fact. There have actually been judges who have got up and walked out of the courtroom when the jury told him/her that his instructions were being overridden by Jury nullification. There have been attorneys - disparately trying to defend their clients - who were sent to jail for defying judges and 'revealing' this principle of law to the jury.

Why do you think you have got to be a member of the BAR association to practice? If you didn't fall under their control somehow judges would be powerless to effect their legal 'will' in the courtrooms they so arrogantly claim are 'theirs.'

Of course, some jurisdictions have taken to sneakily sporting the golden fringed American flag so they can claim their courts operates under ' US maritime' law - thus subjecting anyone appearing there to the international commercial code which DOES NOT INCLUDE THE JURY NULLIFICATION CODICE. You'll see this mostly in IRS, ATF, FCC, and other such 'agency' cases, because they know that as a defendant in federal court you have the right to ask to be shown the letter of the law you have violated - not so under maritime law.

Just thought I would throw that into the mix for those of you who think the issue of right and wrong is up to anyone other than the jury.

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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon

What If I think you molestested my cousin?

Would it be ok if I killed YOU!!!!

Would it be ok if I kidnapped YOU?
Would it be ok if I tortured YOU?

What if I think you molestested my cousin?


Why do you think that?

And were you told that I raped/molested your other cousins as well?


We have a system of justice here and laws.


A system that is shown time and time again to have a "not so ideal" justice system.


BTW, sending a child molester to jail is NOT letting him off.


It is when they get out in a couple years ,and the do it again, as the statistics have shown time and time again.

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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
Okay I could have sworn I saw an article on ATS about a judge getting busted for an underground child porn ring? Is that right? Cuz I can't seem to find the article now..


Yeah it was a case where a Judge was caught molesting children and prostituting them behind a bar. Eventually one of her 'clients' choked a child to death while raping him and that's how the cookie crumbled for there sick little operation.

Seriously, this stuff is large scale. It's continuing even... but the public is far more convinced that child molesters are hiding in their neighborhood (as they are) - they don't want to even think about government officials being in on it.



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by darkelf
I think I understand now. The laws are only for the bad guys. The good guys get to decide which laws they obey and which ones they can break if they believe they have a valid reason.


Yeah.

And if they make bad decisions, their reason wasn't valid afterall, the good guys then become the bad guys. Crazy idea, I know..

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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by darkelf
I think I understand now. The laws are only for the bad guys. The good guys get to decide which laws they obey and which ones they can break if they believe they have a valid reason. Sounds alot like Bush and Co. approach.


Darkelf the law is only a guide to establish a better society.

If you caught this man molesting your daughter, while in the act... would you "wait for the law" to act like a good law abiding citizen or would you insert two slugs into his cranium?

The law is not the ultimate word of morality in a country. There are instances where it is greviously wrong. Imprisoning a child abuser instead of executing them would be an example.



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:20 PM
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My kid's word is all I need. If they describe who and what exactly happened, I will act on it accordingly. I would do my time in jail knowing that I did right by my family.

Pedos do not rehabilitate as far I have read. I have spoken to many COs about their population in the joint. Repeatedly they have amazed me with the percentage of prisoners are pedos. They had to expand the isolation / segregation sections because of the numbers. It's a real revolving door there for them.

I would see to it that this person would suffer an unfortunate accident and I would sleep well no matter where I am.



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by 44soulslayer

Darkelf the law is only a guide to establish a better society.


We created the Law to help support what we felt was a good moral society.

But now the Law creates what it feels is a good moral society.


The law is not the ultimate word of morality in a country.


Most seem to think it is, or at least, that it should be. Makes me sad. I think people underestimate their internal moral compass. I also believe people are born good and become bad. Ignorance being a key ingredient for this.

Darkelf and Monsoon based on the old D&D code of 'alignment' you strike me as "Lawfull Good". Whereas, I (and others here maybe) am a "Chaotic Good". Not sure if you are familiar with those ideas? Just thought i'd throw that in so we better understand eachother's positions.

**Darkelf, looking at your headline makes me even more interested in hearing your thoughts on these ideas hehe

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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:43 PM
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NO.

you did not and if you reread the post, i said,"What If I think you molestested my cousin?
Would it be ok if I killed YOU!!!!
Would it be ok if I kidnapped YOU?
Would it be ok if I tortured YOU?"

WHAT IF!!!!!!!

I thought if the "man" was replaced by YOU, you might see what you said was very wrong.
It is really the same thing, you think it is ok if someone thinks someone else dod something to their child to harm or kill them.

I am trying to show you, what if it were YOU acussed. What if it were YOu abused or killed.

since it never went to trial, we would never know if you did or did not.

"A system that is shown time and time again to have a "not so ideal" justice system. "

so, you may leave aMERICA AND GO TO THE M.E. WHERE PEOPLE KILL OTHERS WITH NO TRIAL OR ANYTHING.





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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by mrmonsoon


Dude, I know you were not literally accusing me. I was speaking in hypotheticals. Reread my post in respons to your questions again. It will make alot more sense this time.



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:50 PM
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Kind of reminds me of stories of lynching black men who may have touched a white little girl spread by rumors.



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 07:04 PM
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1: I'm amazed the accused is still able to walk.

2: I'm amazed the accused was moronic enough to target victims in close proximity to one another.

3: I'm amazed they took him to church, and not the local police station.

Befuddled, even.

Surely normally cases such as these are handled with efficiency and cost-effectiveness; The accused shows up dead one day, forensic examination discovers the perpetrators of the offence, and the truth comes out.

One would think that the priest considered himself to be having a somewhat unlucky day.

edit; i wonder what would have happened if the priest asked for evidence.

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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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Authorities say they have reason to believe Espinosa is a child molester who has gone after at least five girls, including Flores' daughter.



Espinosa told investigators he has not molested anyone, saying the girls may have misconstrued his hugs as being sexual.



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 07:24 PM
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Im most definitely "chaotic good" in alignment.
I think that the ends justify the means in most cases.



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 07:31 PM
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I see we're moving onto D&D territory here.

One would have thought a self-proclaimed 'leader of the resistance' would consider himself chaotic good.

Which is odd, considering the 'leader of the resistance' will eventually need to confine himself to a lawful persona in order to support his followers.

edit; if i judge thee rightly, i would consider you to be of chaotic neutral background, a man after my own heart, even.

*ends the D&D discussion*

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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by Throbber
Which is odd, considering the 'leader of the resistance' will eventually need to confine himself to a lawful persona in order to support his followers.


Unless by supporting his followers, he is really supporting a collective effort to ensure the personal freedom of intuitive morality
And the collective effort to ensure the personal freedom of carrying out its intuitive justice. That would still be chaotic, yet structured in a sense. Chaos as a higher order.

I am something of an anarchist, so it flavors things



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 09:22 PM
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I always found D&D alignment classifications kind of irreconcilable in actual game play. It seems that one could argue CG into almost anything. But the real abuse culprit was Chaotic Neutral - they could get away with anything!


sorry - couldn't resist

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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 09:27 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
I always found D&D alignment classifications kind of irreconcilable in actual game play. It seems that one could argue CG into almost anything.


You must become one with chaos before you understand the chaos muhahaha



But the real abuse culprit was Chaotic Neutral - they could get away with anything!


CN just didn't have the gulls to be CG!, but at least they weren't LG!!

I think mentioning D&D terms was the act of a CE ahhhh. Sorry guys


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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 09:30 PM
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Just a couple of quick points: first of all, don’t forget that you can be falsely accused, therefore, you might want to require proof before summary execution by a lynch squad is allowed.

Also, if you see someone you KNOW FOR A FACT is molesting children being allowed to continue this behavior by the state, then by all means do what needs to be done, just count the cost first.



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