posted on Aug, 4 2008 @ 03:35 PM
If i may bud in on the LD / OBE discussion.
some interesting points me and shakesbeer were discussing some time ago..
Ok so lets say I have different layers of conciousness, and the one experiencing this physical frequency is wondering about something.. it has some
sort of curioiusity it expects to see manifested in its reality. To experience something in the physical sense.. Ok say its something like
manipulating chi, to push objects or something..
then we have a lucid dream where we are given the opportunity to do that, because its easier there, more energy to go around, or less resistance
We wake up and think one of these two things I think. 1. Wow so thats what it would be like, this has really helped me learn.
or 2. Well.. the layer of conciousness that was curious was my physical self, and somehow I feel unsatisfied because my physical conciousness did not
Its a wee bit different when its a lucid dream I think, but I'll get into that. Like say we have a regular dream, where we do just that.. whatever
we wanted to do in our "waking world".. and the dream was not lucid, so perhaps we could not anaylse the situation the way we wanted to.. upon
waking up, our physical conciousness thinks it would like to have handled the situation better, or done it differently. Maybe you forget the dream all
together and in that case, we feel as though we still have not had a chance to experience this idea.
Its like we have infinite layers of conciousness at our disposal, but I think the ego.. or layer of conciousness we are experiencing in a reality..
we'll say the phyiscal reality, wants to see physical results. But again, I think this is just ego. We feel like.."well yeah thats what I wanted to
do, but I want to see it under the limitations of physical world for some reason, perhaps to show people.". Well.. its frustrating, but you can show
people in your dreams as well, even if their physical self might not remember it.
Ok so heres another factor I want to throw in...
we'll say we got all these layers of conciousness, and we'll assign then letters, like the one typing this message, the one in the "physical waking
world".. will be A.. and my dream self will be B.. and perhaps.. theres other variations of the dream self, like C...D..E.. and theres the mind
self, or pure spirit self or something.
Ok so how am I going to describe this....
A: A is experiencing this frequency, A has questions.. A is only really aware of A's reality, and not B's...C's... A isn't really aware of B's
reality.. or else we'd lucid dream every night.
B: B is experiencing its reality, it is unaware of A's.. that is.. even though events in A's reality might shape the dreams or reality of B's...
B is unaware of the existance of A.. that is... Your dream self doesn't wonder.. I wonder what my waking self would think? If that were the case, I
think we could go lucid.. for I believe.. when we are dreaming, we are convinced our reality is essentially the same as A's... our waking
Ok so assume we go lucid... then all of a sudden, its like A and B realise they are inter-connected.. they merge, or perhaps its that A actually
takes over B's reality?
Perhaps there is layers of lucidity you see.. where all these layers that are seemingly un-aware of the existence of the others, converge to focus on
I guess you could argue, there is one version of ourself that already holds the answers that A or B are unaware of, like the pure spirit self or
something.. And that A and B, search for these answers that are already known, and its a matter of tapping into that other self that already exists,
What I'm trying to illustrate here is the connection of our various layers of conciousness. I think its a matter of ego when we think our dream self
can't figure out the problems of our waking reality self.
I know this.. if I go to bed with a problem, I wake up and the problem's solved, even if I don't understand how.
I have had many dreams, lucid and not, that have been valuable learning experiences with knowledge I managed to tap into in the physical reality and
put to use.
I remember being OBE, with my sense of ego behind me, and this different level of thinking.. everything felt lighter, lighter on my mind and
"body". I remember my conciousness snapping back to the physical reality, and thinking how the physical reality was very strange, and it felt
dense as they say.. I really felt the density.. and it felt DENSE!! I felt like all my cells weighed 100x more, and even as if my mind was weighed
This is just one example of something very valueable that I brought back to the physical conciousness. It helped me understand a lot and it changed my
perspective, thus affecting the learning the experience of the physical self quite constructively.
Ok my last point.. this comes down to how you percieve your physical reality.. and I mean.. we are told well.. this is where we are experiencing, and
this is what matters.. well.. the source that is telling you that is communicating with your physical layer of conciousness and it could be quite
right and not. What I mean is... this level of conciousness experiences this reality, and so we learn from this reality for the benefit of this layer
of conciousness. How am I trying to explain this correctly... I mean.. I would expect the same idea for the dream self.. it thinking its reality is
all that matters and putting great emphasis in understanding itself, its reality because its what its aware of. But if somehow you can converge these
awareness of these realities, and exchange information, well then it seems to suit both purposes, and is quite valuable.
I hope that came out right. Basically what I'm trying to say is, if i was aware of my "dream self" right now, you can I'd be conciously/actively
exchanging information. The dream world is an excellent drawing board.. to make visualising a scenario much easier then we could in the physical
layer. If we can somehow communicate this and remember this dream, it could be very constructive.
Again I think its a matter of ego, and limited awareness. Our concious mind seems so basic as it is, and its working on one of infinite layers I
think. Like parallel realities / selves. This is damn hard to explain, but I think you get the picture. If you really feel that you are part of
some great thinking, some great source, then I would think freedom from limitation would be the way to go. That understanding your ego or layer of
self experiencing this reality, is one of many filters.
I try to think of it this way... The thinking of the universe filters through me.. rather then.. I think about the universe.. I feel as though I am
one of infinite filters, codes, and so attachment to that seems..limiting. I stay grounded enough to try and understand the nature of this filter,
this ego. But i think its like... understand the individual value or function of an infinitely complex machine. I don't expect to one day me this
great being of light, in a different dimension, in this palace of light and knowledge etc.. with all my wizard powers, where I carry out my existence
creating worlds etc.. Or something to that degree. Yes I see that as a scenario, but I still see that as 1 filter, one ego of my true self. I won't
get into this.. but again.. what I'm trying to illustrate is the information, the energy that exists in infinite form and frequency is valueable.
Aaand I can't think of how else to explain this feeling.
One last thing.. what makes this reality more real then others? When we go to sleep, does one layer of conciousness switch off, and the other
switches on? do we switch focus between realities? The monks would lucid dream by clinging to awareness of their conciousness as they fall to sleep.
I've also done this.. where you feel the imagery comming in and you think this is the kind of activity that goes on in your head when your
half-asleep... the imagery gets deeper and before you know it you're dreaming.. if you can hang on to it you can pretty much watch it happen, and
you know you're dreaming, without really clicking into lucidity.. rather just moving between frequencies and being aware of it.
Ahh thats enough on that matter.
Make of it what you will.