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posted on May, 4 2008 @ 12:35 PM
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Meditation... balance.. finding inner peace and harmony, and gathering and analysing knowledge. I would recommend that regardless of whether it induces AP

Yes I agree. Seems like you've cracked it, well no guarantee it will happen like this again but you've def made some massive progress here.
Yes I speak to shakesbeer regularly actually about all this , hes told me alot but my main problem is these dark black entities that I told you about, however they haven't been seen for a few days. He says Im inventing them out of my own fear. Hes def very knowledgable in dreams but I still have no idea on how to LD or AP.

knowledge does equal no fear. I think I need more knowledge of how things work in LD and AP. Any knowledge you have please share caveman.




posted on May, 4 2008 @ 12:47 PM
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AP & LD's are something you already do, you don't necessarily learn how to do it, you just become more understanding of who you are. Hence the reason Caveman meditated on all this and found himself through these concepts and was able to have his own experience. The techniques will guide us to our goal, but it's up to us to figure out how we do it for ourselves. More power to lucid dream comes from self understanding.

Oh and think of the pineal gland like your quantum window where you literally see matter folding in and out on itself shifting through "realities". Then the rods & cones receive the light and the rest is up to your brain/conscious. It also requires the most blood of everything in your body as well. To help de-calcify it, maintain a good diet, I hear sodas mess it up, but drinking water in general is supposed to do wonders alone.



posted on May, 4 2008 @ 01:20 PM
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Thanks shakesbeer, you say caveman has worked through meditation on his issues but how can you work on issues in meditation, isn't it supposed to be quite and reflective?? Im sorry I seem to clash with you on some issues re LD and AP but Im sure between us we will eventually agree! I know you are only trying to give me advice but you see I have to be very careful these days who I take astral advice from. Sorry its just me being cautious.

So the rods and cones in the pineal gland just act as a receptor for the light in the astral plane. Once I had a fantastic astral projection a few weeks ago it was all blue and white like the sky, I was actually travelling through the sky I think up to a room. The room was circular and then before me was a lovely sky blue wormhole with a man stood next to it in a long blue gown. He had long grey hair and was elderly. Im afraid I got scared and came crashing down..dam. This is my only astral projection in colour. I had another one in the first week of doing heart chakra radiance but that was a very dark experience. Why was one in colour and one in black?
The colour one was a very spiritual experience I felt I was being given a message, if only Id stayed around to see what it was. If we see wormholes like I did shakesbeer what do we do? Jump in? I was spinning round vertically very fast in this room and Im sure there was doors and windows but I decided to chose the wormhole. Maybe I chose wrong? Maybe I should have chose a door? Thing is I couldn't make out what any of these choices were as I was spinning around far too fast.

Again thanks shakesbeer for your help and for putting up with me disagreeing with you all the time! Sometimes I forget you do actually know quite alot about all this.



posted on May, 4 2008 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by Mr Green
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Thanks shakesbeer, you say caveman has worked through meditation on his issues but how can you work on issues in meditation, isn't it supposed to be quite and reflective??


Your meditation is exactly what you want it to be. If I've learned one important lesson spiritually... its that your experiences are your own.. someone elses experiences can give you an idea of the possibilities.. but its not necessarily YOUR way.

I meditate to balance myself every day..even though I don't feel I need to mostly... I still do it because any meditation regardless has cummulative positive effects. If I plan to have like 1 - 2 hour meditations, I will try and have a goal going into it.. I've noticed it takes me like only 45 minutes now to get to the state it took me after like 2 and half hours. Its usually a deep meditation or just a loving, spiritual, healing one. If I meditate and I can't figure out what I want... well thats what meditation is good for.

Just think of it like this... meditation is like... a multiplication of your imaginative and understanding capabilities... relaxation and receptiveness.. It just utilizes your potential. Use it anyway you deem necessary. It is a tool for you to use as you please to understand yourself.

The other day I did a meditation to see my animal totem..what I didn't expect was now he talked to me! Before I drew a blank communication wise. Its strange.. some people think these are totally imaginitive... but... isn't everything? So you still create it on some level... I thought about this actually.. someone gave me a good acknowledgement that my thought manifestations.. if only in my 3rd eye, had a life of their own. Thats where I stopped "destroying" things in my meditation.. they were like Fear Warriors... dark samurai... last time I saw them I converted them into white ones, it was wierd..cool...

But yeah..Its like jesus said...(I think)... that basically thinking it just as bad as doing.... so I kept that with me.. I try to think no evil, and try to heal it instead of destroy it. A conversion of its polarity. And essentially this is how exercisms work right?

But yeah... by talking to my totem yesterday.. i realised that expanding my awareness was my top spiritual priority... To see the bigger picture, rather then to focus on "psychic powers"...

It really helps to meditate to figure out what our problems are, AND solve them. Or just to learn a deeper truth about yourself.

Play around with that link I sent, about opening the 8th to 12th chakras... I've been working with the 8th, and that could have had a major role in my evolution



posted on May, 4 2008 @ 02:32 PM
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Ms Green, thats an interesting experience. That wormhole could have taken you to some strange places, but based on what I read from someone else.. and the fact there was a guy there... he may have been there to warn you.. I have heard that there are certain boundaries, dangers.. perhaps seperation from your body or distortion of your timeline or something if say.. you went through a wormhole.. What if you were 80 billion light years away and your body just went in a coma because it took you 100 years to get back.


I wouldn't worry about it. There are plenty of people in the astral planes to guide you. I have heard some wonderful stories of the beings who dwell in the astral planes. You can ask them to take you places and whatnot..teach you things..

Honestly Ms Green.. I'm suprised of the courage I had this morning.. I give major credit to chakra meditation... Balancing yourself..but more then that: Charging the solar plexus... man, that helped me find my confidence.. by posessing the energy.


Other then that.. yeah.. knowledge... asking people, reading stories.. talking to people.. Shakesbeer knows what hes talking about, and yeah its funny.. I think a major part of the "fear removal" was realising we astral project somewhere every night, lol. I just think its more... inter-dimensional..in another form perhaps..and its not lucid... more random.. but when it does become lucid.. well its very different.. Because if we project out of our body every night.. then why do we have to peel ourselves out when we astral project? Thats why dreams may be telepathic messages... still occuring yes.. but without moving anywhere.. its just my theory so far until it changes... through the pineal gland like shakesbeer says.. Its all different experiences.. as I believe everything is formless.. and that we never really leave the immediate spot of our existence. Nowhere and Everywhere.

But in our experience, it seems that we have different layers.. of density perhaps... I feel like I know what aliens mean when they talk about how this planet is so dense... I felt so grounded when back in my body. And when I seperated from it, I actually saw some transparents ghost legs floating off my bed.. Its interesting.

Have no fear, aquire information, meditate on it... find your center, your balance and confidence.



posted on May, 4 2008 @ 05:00 PM
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Something interesting to note... I think when we dream we go to the astral realms for sure... But heres one thing that I think needs to be addressed... if you conciously astral project, (rip yourself right out of your body conciously)... it DRAAAAINS you... I've heard of this numerous times, and last time i astral projected, i didn't think I was gunna make it through the short work day. Today I'm dragging my feet around the house... yet I woke up well rested before I had the Astral Projection. Its hard on the body... the different frequencies, the energy the process. I remember the distinct rapid pounding in my head and high pitch sound, that must have taken quite a bit of energy.... Perhaps it makes your astral layer tired on not your etheric? I was charging my chakras all day and it helped a little, but not fully... so perhaps its that astral layer that is drained? Other people have experienced like electrical snaps when going out and in. I'd love to monitor someone with different cameras and electro-magnetic measurement devices while they are goin and out.

From my experience this really felt like this world I entered was the same.. yet it was a different layer of it. Its interesting how I heard people talking upstairs.. perhaps they were all asleep and were socialising at home. I can't wait until the next time.

But yeah... this concious astral projection does wipe your energy right out.. so whats the difference regular dream wise? That is the question. Perhaps its a different kind of projection... perhaps dreams all take place in the pineal gland but can be shared dreams since everything is linked telepathatically.. like its the safer, more basic way to go to the astral planes? I still say there is no danger... but man.. lets figure out the differences here. This is interesting. Phyiscal reality is weird to me now!.. lol.. hell with this.



posted on May, 4 2008 @ 05:41 PM
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It doesn't sound like you are disagreeing necessarily, you seem simply to be asking questions which is perfectly fine
And yes, that is a good one because that does sound paradoxical & in fact is. You have heard of the concept of space/time & time/space, well there's a paradox of our existence or the universe. So how do we get in touch with the universe, by bringing a paradoxically balanced concept into your mediation. How would you do that? Well those old "point of pondering" like; if a tree tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound? or What is the sound of one hand clapping? are a good example of these types of statements. Or you can also meditate on a problem in your life specifically. However do not wallow in negativity, or try to "see the future" or some bs like that, but only try to gain understanding & new perspective of the situation at hand.

Does that make a bit more sense?

Emptying your head of all thoughts is only one type of meditation you can do and is in a lot of ways the base which one would stand on in cognitive applications, shall we say?

The rods & cones are literally a 3rd eye, yes. It's literally like looking through your very own -drum roll- WORM HOLE!!

or at least the theory stands right now, but looks to be very sound. You can thereby theorize that yeah that is what helps facilitate some of "astral travels" we do as well as the clairvoyance & "visions" in general it seems. so when we look into the universe with it, in a sense our consciousness has moved through that "wormhole" and is swimming "online" into that timeless ether. Fun stuff!


Think about this guys, the jump gate on the movie Contact, or the Stargates on the tv show/movie are real, and exists in this little gland the size of a small marble in your head. Who says being human sucks?!


So knowing that, do you see now how "everyone is psychic" works a bit more too? You just have to open that little biotch (the Pineal) up, and your mind, and the perceptions of "reality" as well as "right" & "wrong" sometimes.

Why color sometimes and others black & white? It's because of your perception of what you are seeing. Everything in your dream is essentially what you think it is, it's very literal. While some people think that means "simple" it's not.

I'm going to use my reliable "chair" analogy here: The following sentence can be interpreted to ways even though it is one sentence: I took the stool to the rest room.

I - Who am "I" anyways? Is it you, is it me, is it both depending on who reads it?

Stool - a piece of furniture or fecal matter

Rest room or Rest & Room - can mean the toilet, or just a room to rest in.

So with that combination of meanings, you can see how I(Shakesbeer) could have taken a piece of furniture to the toilet as much as the alternative? Or maybe "I" actually is Psycho, who brought a new chair into the lounge area?

That was a bit of a tangent but I wanted to make sure you knew what I meant about literal. So if to you within your perception, the colors of the event don't matter, just the actions do, then that's what you'll see. If you want to open your perception to more then you will. So when your subconscious shows you something in color when that normally doesn't happen, it really wants your attention. And it may really want your attention because yes you are getting this message from somewhere out side of you.

That doesn't mean every time you dream in color it's from somewhere else, but it can be depending on your point of view.

Should you go through the worm hole? I don't know, the choice is yours. Just always remember you have the power to "wake up" or "snap out of it" if things get too crazy or overwhelming for any reason. What makes taking any kind of "jump" so to speak is difficult because we must relinquish control and face our fear of the unknown. Remember, you can wake up any time, and if you can remember that, you're lucid
At the same time, if you get an overwhelming sense of dread or "a bad feeling" about doing it then hold off, and just observe it and remember. Write down anything you remember (which you should be doing anyways if you're trying to LD or AP) and when the time is right I'm sure you'll either go through or make your own some way else.



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 07:57 AM
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Ms Green, thats an interesting experience. That wormhole could have taken you to some strange places, but based on what I read from someone else.. and the fact there was a guy there... he may have been there to warn you.. I have heard that there are certain boundaries, dangers.. perhaps seperation from your body or distortion of your timeline or something if say.. you went through a wormhole.. What if you were 80 billion light years away and your body just went in a coma because it took you 100 years to get back.

Yes its strange because I felt I had to get back because more than fear my body needed to breath! As I returned to my body I gasped for air like someone whos been brought round by the paramedics..weird.
Yes the guy looked like some super gate keeper type, Im wondering now if the wormhole was a turning galaxy as it had arms like a galaxy has on the outside?? Just before I started racing up through the sky my body was vibrating so this is how I know it was an OBE rather than a lucid dream. I remember thinking "oh here we go, lets go for it then" I thought no fear at all. Id love to go back, Ive been trying but I can't.
Your experience sounds amazing, its a shame everything is personal and one thing may not work for another as Id love to try your techniques out. Alas I do not have 2 hours free to meditate maybe an hour tops!
I was reading about a technique yesterday where you actually turn yourself astrally over so maybe this is what you did to get out of your body.
Thanks for sharing it with us any way


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posted on May, 5 2008 @ 08:00 AM
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Thanks shakesbeer
Top advice as always. I still can't see images like you all do it your 3rd eye though. Catch you later maybe



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 10:41 AM
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Hey people glad you are all doing well I missed you loads. Did not see the Healer this weekend but she had left me some books on Awarness and Dreaming.

Anyway I had a great weekend and ended up staying at my friends for an extra day as the weather was so nice.

I have so much meditation to catch up on so will be back later tonight to chat to you all.




posted on May, 5 2008 @ 02:27 PM
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Hi . Psycho do you remember when we tryed to link up minds in Drakiirs thread "This side of the fence". Well we did in the end after much trying but do you remember me jumping out of my skin the first time it happened because I heard a snake? Do you think this could be the chakra snake I was awakening?? It was a definate snake sound that I heard like a hiss in my ear really loud. I was told at the time it was group entities but now Im not so sure.



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 02:58 PM
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Could not say for sure, It could of been a serpent also


The serpent is one of the oldest and most widespread mythological symbols. Considerable overlap exists in the symbolic values that serpents represent in various cultures. Some such overlap is due to the common historical ancestry of contemporary symbols. Much of the overlap, however, is traceable to the common biological characteristics of snakes.

In some instances, serpents serve as positive symbols with whom it is possible to identify or to sympathize; in other instances, serpents serve as negative symbols, representing opponents or antagonists of figures or principles with which it is possible to identify. Serpents also appear as ambivalent figures, neither wholly positive nor wholly negative in valence. An example of a serpent used as a positive symbol is Mucalinda, the king of snakes who shielded the Buddha from the elements as the Buddha sat in meditation. An example of a serpent used as a negative symbol is the snake who tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, as described in the Book of Genesis. Source



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 03:18 PM
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welcome back psycho.

You didn't miss too too much. We talked about etheric/astral realms.



posted on May, 5 2008 @ 03:25 PM
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Hey yes some intresting post there, Keep up the positive thinking cavemanDD sounds like you had an amazing LD/AP there. I just need to remember my dreams, "It was a bank holiday and I did get drunk"



Oh and Kappo nice to see you back buddy





posted on May, 6 2008 @ 09:16 AM
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Something interesting to note... I think when we dream we go to the astral realms for sure... But heres one thing that I think needs to be addressed... if you conciously astral project, (rip yourself right out of your body conciously)... it DRAAAAINS you... I've heard of this numerous times, and last time i astral projected, i didn't think I was gunna make it through the short work day. Today I'm dragging my feet around the house... yet I woke up well rested before I had the Astral Projection. Its hard on the body...

Yes I agree with you totally. You become very tired for the whole next day and wonder how you'll get through the day. Ive spoken to shakesbeer about this very subject and he said its not permament and that after a while you should get used to it...I think thats what he said anyway.

Like last night this big black void opened up from my crown chakra, its strange its like a big black tunnel with a distant light at the end of it but Im actually in this tunnel. Anyway I found myself actually having a conversation with someone through this tunnel, I knew the person and the conversation was of a serious nature. I was not hearing voices it was an actual two way conversation of great importance...and yes Ive forgotten the whole conversation and who it was with!! All I remember is that it was with a male voice and that it was serious.
Anyway this whole thing has left me tired because Im sure while this is going on Im not actually sleeping properly, well I know Im not. So yes shakesbeer when does this tired feeling go??



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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I think I know how to remember my dreams now, it worked last night.

Ok went to bed about 11pm. I was really worn out and could of slept all of today but had to be up at 7pm. Anyway there I am sleeping away and something woke me up. I guess it was about 5-6am because it was just getting light. I thought to myself "Hey now is a good time to dream" as soon and I went back to sleep I was outside in my gargen.

There were 3 blokes there 2 mid 30's and 1 who was about 20 ish. They were after some wood in my garden. The wood was a supprise to me because it was not mine. "Give us some of this wood they said" I looked around and saw a half built fence so I sad to them "I need it can't you see I have not finished my fence"

Next thing I am on top of the shed roof doing something, So I jump down where the guys are still looking at this wood and said "Hey you know what take a little bit leave me enough for my fence.

Next thing I look around and the fence is finished and the guys are gone. like within seconds of saying the above.

When I woke at 7am I automatically started back tracking the dream and remember almost everything, even the style of the fence.

So it think before you go to bed you need to be ready for deep sleep more or less streight away. I was reading just before I went to sleep and this may also of had some effect as my brain was active by my body was sleeping.

Either set your alarm or leave the curtains open a little so when Sunrise comes it wakes you up. Or even try to set an alarm but it is really important that you down move to much, With an active mind you will soon have an active body. The feeling you want is when you alarm goes off for work and you think to yourself "Just another 5 mins"

You aim is to wake 2-4 hours before you wake for work or whatever and fall straight back asleep.

So to sum that up

* Got to bed in need of sleep. Don't try sleep thinking about everything what might happen or might not happen. Sleep


* Try a little reading before you sleep so your mind is active and you body is sleepy.

* Set your alarm 2 hours before you normally get up. Don't worry you can go back to sleep within 5 mins or less.

* When you wake up try not to move to much leave the alarm close, and also tell yourself just before you sleep again that you are going to dream.

* When you normal alarm goes off for work or when you wake up at you normal time try not to rush out of bed. Open you eyes and close them again. Try remember something that may of been in your dream. Once you remember one tiny bit it's like a chain reaction and it all comes back clear as day.



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posted on May, 6 2008 @ 11:28 AM
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The only reason you're tired is because your mind says it is, your body technically was a sleep. So what else do you need to feel rested really? Remember like that training scene in The Matrix with Neo & Morpheous saying "You think that's air you're breathing..?" It seems like we fool ourselves into thinking we didn't rest when we start to remember our dream experiences. When that happens remind yourself that you did sleep and keep telling yourself astral travel isn't physically draining. Yes sometimes no matter how much you slept, or how level headed you are about it all, you'll still feel a bit worn out. Just keep telling yourself that you are rested and try to keep focus. As this all happens more you will just get used to it more and more, and if you are lucid during any of your trips, remind yourself that your "real" body is at rest & healing now. I've found that helps keep me grounded while LDing in general anyways & helps cut down on that AP-lag as I call it



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 11:35 AM
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I've found that helps keep me grounded while LDing in general anyways & helps cut down on that AP-lag as I call it


AP-lag I like that phrase thats good . Hey anyone listening to Robbie williams on radio 4 tonight at 6.30pm (Uk time). Hes talking about his journey coming to terms with aliens.

So no one had an astral in depth conversation last night? I wonder who it was?



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 11:45 AM
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Hi do you think your building a fence for protection on the astral plane here? A fence you can teleport behind if needed. Mind you from what attacked me you'll need more than a wooden fence mate
Bit like the 3 pigs in the fairy tale the nasty wolf will blow your wood fence down, you need a brick wall .



posted on May, 6 2008 @ 11:53 AM
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I think you got a point though MG maybe I am building my AP home or something. Who knows at least the fence finished it's self.



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