reply to post by mrmonsoon
I don't think you understood the 'make it personal' concept. I did not say, make personal insults to each other or make this a personal sniping
What I said was, when trying to understand a situation, (use empathy) make it personal, as in, put yourself (in thought) in a similar situation and
see things from both points of view.
It is quite neanderthal to want to kill the children of a murderer. I couldn't even fathom that way of thinking, for I think it just might be a bit
mentally instable. Your father kills my father, I hold no ill will towards you nor your mother, nor your grandfather. I also don't want your father
to die for his actions, but spending his life in solitary confinement and living a punishment is much more of a consequence to the person who
committed the atrocity than ending their life, and therefore making their punishment swift.
If I had 10 children, and a man killed them who had 10 children, I can honestly say I would not want or even have the slightest inclination to have
his children punished in any form. In fact, I would feel sorry for them as well as my own pain, for they have to live their lives knowing their
father has taken so many innocent lives.
It has already been said, that this was based on rhetoric ... but that rhetoric is in very poor taste, and should not have been said.
No, sir, I will not find it acceptable or understandable for anyone to wish anyone else dead, regardless of their actions. Does this mean I feel
there is no situation where it is ok to kill? No, if my life is being threatened, I will strike to save my life and the life of my loved ones. If I
was murdered, I wouldn't want blood on my loved ones hands from them retaliating, nor would my loved ones want blood on my hands. I am not
completely in control of my passions, yes, I would want to rough the guy up, but not kill them, if say my wife or child was killed ... I may wish
they have a miserable existence in solitary confinement with only bread and water for the rest of their lives. But I would hope that the person's
family (child) would live a great life and hopefully be a honest, contributing member of the world.
I don't call venting and anger an excuse for wishing someone who did you no ill will's death. It just isn't valid reasoning. Look at the guy
Cheney shot in the face, he didn't turn and give an eye for an eye so to speak, he apologized to Cheney of all insane things.
I think if you feel that if your child was murdered you would want to murder or have murdered that peson's child, maybe you should seek out a
counselor to deal with those anger issues. Not saying you would feel that way, but you sympathize very heavily towards this though process, so it
would lead one to believe that you would consider yourself feeling the same way. For your own sake, and the sake of your family, I would definitely
consider not wanting such retaliation, for the surviving members of your family would not benefit from your consequences brought forth by a
retaliation, especially in such a manner. For one that murders a person's child in vengence of their child being murdered become equal to the level
of evil and moral corruption of the original criminal.
You could very well be a very well-balanced person, playing devil's advocate in defense of the statement. So, no, I am not making claims that you
are such a way, but only that 'if' you were, to please seek a shoulder to lean on for yourself.
You made a statement, that came off as very racist. You singled out Palestinian terrorists ... when in fact ANY terrorist act is vile. Do not allow
prejudice to cloud your judgment. Any one who willingly takes the life of another not in self-defense is a vile creature. Any one who wishes such a
harm, especially on children has a vile mind. There are sick people of every nationality and in every nation, including Israel and Palestine.
Singling out one race or religion is not denying ignorance.
In the same respect, the U.S.A. was never our land. It was and is the Native Americans (Indians) land. There were here first, but we killed and used
biological warfare (blankets with smallpox) to steal the land from them. Even then it wasn't our land, it was European land, that we then said,
nope, it is ours now. We technically should be serving the Queen just as Canada. I bet your argument that it was never their land would not go over
well if someone used it on us to place Palestine on our land somewhere by the U.N.
You say the land issue isn't part of this, but it is the root of all the violence. If your girlfriend smacked you, does it not matter to you why she
is mad enough at you to strike you? I suppose not by your argument.
Yes, I do know what a Zionist is. It is a religious extremist who wishes to force the state of Israel and the rebuilding of the Temple to bring back
G-d to this Earth. They in fact ignore Judaism and its laws to further their own agenda. They do not want to wait for G-d to make things happen, but
go against God to make it happen by their human ways.
Here is an example of a Rabbi speaking out against zionism and the state of Israel coming to existence by humans, not G-d.
neturei karta international - Jew united against zionism
When God sent the Jewish nation into exile 2000 years ago we accepted this lovingly from God and when God told us that we are forbidden to try to
return and make our own entity, to form our own state, we accepted God’s decree and we are waiting patiently for the day when ultimately God Himself
without any human intervention will end this exilic period and all of the nations of world together will go up and serve God in harmony and peace.
This is what we are waiting for and until that day we refuse to go along with this movement called Zionism. We refuse to go along with people who are
rebelling against God, people who are misrepresenting God and his Torah.
Zionism, formed 100 years ago is a movement of heretics, people who refuse to accept God’s word, who refuse to put God in the equation of what
happens on this world. They said we were sent out of Israel because of our physical weakness. This is false. This is rebellion against God. ...
Our hearts pain, our hearts suffer when we see what is being done to the Palestinian people, we are humiliated by what is being done by Zionists. Why
must it be done in the name of Judaism? Why, when we have been living together with the Palestinian people and with the arab people for hundreds of
years must we be blamed for the actions of Zionists? That’s wrong! ...
The Jewish people are forbidden to have a state. And not only is it against the Torah it is called “anti-Semitism”.
I wanted to quote the whole thing, but I know I would get busted (or reported) for excessive quotation. This is something I use a lot when people
don't understand why a Israel shouldn't exist, even by Jewish standards, that can't understand the difference between Judaism and Zionism, and
those who think that Jewish people and Arabic people do not get along. It is all a lie brought to you by slanted news and propaganda. There are
Jewish people living in every country of the world in peace. When people speak out against Zionism, they make no attack on Jewish people, just
against a religious extremist group. Zionists, Radical Islamists, Radical Christians ... they are all one in the same. Crazy people who hide behind
a molested version of a religion to commit atrocious acts, then falsely claim their religious texts gives them a base to do so.
Wake up and see the truth, any one speaking of murder and violence are not part of the religion they claim, but a demented individual or group that
has twisted phrases and corrupts meanings things for their own sick desire.