I CAN'T see god or feel my soul help me !!

You misunderstood his intentions. He simpley wanted to assimilate you into the group. You are not supposed to either see God or feel your soul.
You are supposed to be so ashamed of your inability that you pretend to.
When you are willing to go along with anything, and do anything to satisfy the group (slight misdirection there, the unspoken leader of the group)
Then you fit in just fine, and are a deserving candidate for whatever abuses they see fit to heap upon you, then forgive each other for.

In a very ancient and holy text (Bhagavad Gita), Krishna (God) says this:



The entire universe is intelligent because there is intelligence contained within it. For what creator's eyes does the intelligence manifest inside, self-realizing, growing like a fractal?

It is very hard to apply rational reasoning to an apparent irrational situation. Another words; we can use all the left brain rational we want...it does not change reality. We can make something really complex or we can look at it simply. The more left brained we are, the less likely we will be able to see the truth if it is right in front of our nose!

To grow spiritually means to let go of most everything you have been taught about God. Let the truths enter the picture gradually as they are revealed to you. I have had miraculous things happen to me and have witnessed the same for those who never previously believed in God. Anything is possible, for anyone. I have rarely known anyone too stupid to get God, but I have known far too many who are too smart, to get God!

Rather than over-thinking it, LET GO! If you have a desire to learn, you will be shown, but first; we have to get out of our ego which means: Edging God Out!

Yeah, it's a little difficult at first to get used to the notion that you really don't have a soul and that there is no powerful supernatural entity taking an interest in you. Some folks don't like the idea that all we really are is an odd assortment of meat and minerals, powered by electrochemical reactions coordinated by DNA, which for no particular reason has the mindless drive to reproduce with variations to avoid breakdown. And that all of our hopes and dreams and loves and hates ultimately amount to little more than stray bits of programming that vanish into nothingness when we die.

Sure, life is basically a series or painful horrors, punctuated by very brief moments of joy, destined to end badly. And afterwards there is nothing to look forward to. You won't perceive timeless oblivion.

It's not what most of us we're taught as children. Our parents spared us that awful truth. And not everybody has the guts to face up to it. So it's no wonder that many people attach all kinds of supernatural meaning to things, and seek comfort in believing some outlandish, illogical stories they're taught as kids.

The only thing you can really do in this hellish life is focus on those fleeting moments of pleasure, keeping in mind that it will all be over soon enough, and try to be kind to other people, since that will make this brief torture slightly easier for yourself and others.

reply to post by Nohup

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i love the blatant honesty of this and pretty much all of your posts. you have some of the most level-headed thinking i've witnessed in awhile, and i definitely applaud that.

but just because i hold you in esteem, it does mean i agree with you. this also means i do not disagree with you either.

your approach is fantastic...we do not have evidence that there is a soul, so you will not even entertain the idea that there is one until some piece of evidence pops up. it's a 'don't waste my time with the fantastical, because i have my life to live' viewpoint. this is definitely needed because to be honest, we need that objective outlook to keep us all grounded. we are creatures of the imagination, and we love to express and ultimately believe in anything and everything that entertains our brains.

i see and understand humanity's need for trying to figure things out, to know and believe in purpose and destiny. that feeling can be so very strong at times, the need to have the fantastical and metaphysical.

i do try to step back, to feel and experience life, without these needs. it's honestly not as fun, but we are not talking about being entertained. we are talking about what's truth.

for example, a few years ago, i stepped back and examined christianity [the religion i believed in]. i thought to myself, why am i believing this and going to church? do i really believe that it's the only way to god, that there is even a god? i answered myself, i wanted to know that when i die, my soul would be taken care of. here, then, was the turning point. i knew i was only believing still because i had the notion in my head that my soul would be in peril and would go to 'hell' after death if i didn't believe.

i was believing because of that fear, and that fear alone. i realized that was the stupidest reason to believe something. to believe out of fear is to fear out of ignorance. i realized i didn't know for certainty that there was even a soul or hell for my soul to fry in. why base my entire life out of fear for something that i don't even know for sure?

did i leave all spirituality behind? no way. i now do personal research on the metaphysical, reality, of life, of the mind, of everything. i am seeking answers, because i'm not convinced there is nothing more out there than the objective viewpoints of the realists.

i take it this way. i am growing in knowledge and understanding, and without knowing for certain, i do entertain the ideas of the fantastical. it could be that by that avenue, we can start to put pieces together. it also could be fruitless because there are no more answers out there. it would only be fruitless in obtaining hardcore evidence, but it has been very rewarding for me in the mental and emotional realms.

reply to post by banyan

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I appreciate what you are saying. It gives hope to believe in something outside of ourselves. I am a realist but that entails with me, a logical God. I have a hard time with romantic beliefs that in the long run don't do much for my faith, hope or daily living. It is a challenge to continually question beliefs and to not give up. The world or the condition of the world would almost demand defeatism. As long as there is the ability to grow and to alter my thinking where needed, to gain new insights, I will.