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Originally posted by Divinorumus
Originally posted by Howie47
How could you be betting your soul? If you say, "you don't have one".
Are you willing to admit you do?
I don't think I ever said we don't have souls. I do not know for sure if we do or if we don't. I suspect we do, but I couldn't say it is so without lying that I know. Know what I mean?
With the definition I provided earlier. We are all souls. "An entity, that thinks, feels and remembers." the question is; does a soul live on after physical death. We can't know that 100%. Until we go through that experience.
Who knows for sure? But just in case we do have souls, my bet is that all this make-believe stuff = idol worshipping. Come on, not everyone with their different versions of their make-believe "truth" are going to be right. At most only one could be right while the rest are fibbing, right?
Do you also believe. Scientist who make theories, and hypotheses, are just lying? Some of them argue most strongly, that their theory is rock
solid fact. Like Evolution. You don't think a person can be in error. You seem to be saying, "If they aren't 100% correct. They are liars! Is that
what you really believe?
Tell me, which version of god do you recommend for us that can't see and tell for sure which one is right? Keep in mind I don't want to be beheaded nor go to hell forever nor be considered closed minded if I pick the wrong one. Please, someone, help us out that can't see these gods everyone else proclaim are real that tells them all these things that we can not hear. I'm so confused. And I suspect I am not the only one too.
You seem to think, every person of faith, has God in a box.
Nothing could be further from the truth. God is so big, he is impossible for
simple mankind to fathom. God has to reach down to us, before we
can know of Him. Each of us may know a little different perspective of
God. Yet we can also share common knowledge of Him.
Somebody is lying, that's for sure. And they should know we do not appreciate these threats of death by beheading and their threats of eternal hell for not playing along with the right belief. And we don't like being told WE are closed minded when it is actuality those that are sworn to a mere belief that have closed and locked minds.
Yes all humans are liars. Including you! Threats of death and beheading is something to be concerned about. Going to hell isn't a immediate threat, in this life. IF it bothers you. Why not just ask God.
"IF you do exist, and if I am in danger of going to hell. Please save me."
Anyhow, enough from me on this. I guess I got dragged in on this because I can sympathize and relate with those that are being made to feel bad and inferior and doomed because of those that proclaim they really really met and know this god dude and they aren't lying what-so-ever (despite all their conflicting claims concerning these various versions of god, ha).
Again, why not sincerely "call on the name of the Lord." So you can have your own experiences. You don't have to feel inferior and doomed.
You do that to yourself. When you refuse to receive God's savior and plan of salvation. God's saints are all equal. We are all sinners, saved by
the the GRACE of God. Gift Received At Christ Expense!
Four sorts of mortals know me: he who weeps,
And the man who yearns to know;
And he who toils to help; and he who sits
Certain of me, enlightened. ...
All four are good, and seek me; but mine own,
The true of heart, the faithful -- stayed on me,
Taking me as their utmost blessedness,
They are not "mine," but I -- even I myself!
At the end of many births to Me they come!
i take it this way. i am growing in knowledge and understanding, and without knowing for certain, i do entertain the ideas of the fantastical. it could be that by that avenue, we can start to put pieces together. it also could be fruitless because there are no more answers out there. it would only be fruitless in obtaining hardcore evidence, but it has been very rewarding for me in the mental and emotional realms.
Yeah, acknowledged, but I must be honest about how I feel, and that is how I feel about "beliefs." I really do suspect NOBODY has met any GOD, and thus neither do they KNOW what any GOD may be all about. I really suspect they are lying, playing make-believe in their heads, honestly I do.
Beliefs should not be advertised or sold as truths. A lot of people can't and won't lie, and thus can't and won't play "make-believe" when it comes to god and spirituality.
Those that continually proclaim they have personally met and know some GOD and make up proclamations that the rest of us, us non-make-believers, should be beheaded and banished to hell forever, are really NOT very nice people! And I want them to know that.
And I want those that have never shook some Gods hand and double checked his credentials to know they shouldn't feel bad or rejected and destined to spend eternity in hell just because of what these jaded lying make-believers proclaim, that only they are special and better than the rest of us.
Please, someone, help us out that can't see these gods everyone else proclaim are real that tells them all these things that we can not hear. I'm so confused. And I suspect I am not the only one too.