When Evangelicals come out to vote.

And it's not over. We're seeing the very same things happening with this election, with the talking heads on Sunday morning talking about who has which state and why.

There are lies being propagated on all sides with no really middle-of-the road candidate. I've always voted for the candidate, not along party lines, which is what I think most of us do. Is it just me, or does it look to you guys like this time both parties may lose most of their support and platform, with each side crossing over to the other side, and both for the same reasons. lol

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it doesn't matter, at least, i don't think so. i think it's just showmanship for the ego rush that comes from knowing most of the country tried to vote you in even if you weren't slotted for it.

but get this... the democratic party has a bumper sticker with the jesus fish on it and the word hypocrite embedded in it. read between the lines: if they really thought there were that many christians in the USA, who are voters, who could vote them in or out of office, would they have done that to their christian constituents? not just no way but NO WAY. it's all a big farce. they know there's not that many christians and even if there were, they aren't worried that we might vote them out because voting is just a poll.

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I agree with the people voting as a mere poll. My signature says it for me. I realized a long time ago that our votes really don't count and that no one who is worthy of the office will ever be allowed to run.

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I have never noticed that bumper sticker before...if that's true (and I have NO reason to doubt you), then you're exactly right. So may I ask who you think is going to win (by non-voting) the election? I have my thoughts, but I'd like to hear yours if you're willing to post them. If not, feel free to u2u me.

There certainly is a conspiracy among evangelicals for world domination or "dominion" as they call it. There are former conspirators who will tell you just that.

Theocracy Rejected: Former Christian Right Leaders 'Fess up

Frank Schaeffer, John Whitehead and Cal Thomas have repudiated the theocratic movement they once led. Here’s why.

There are a lot of conspiracy theories discussed in these forums and most of them are hogwash. But anyone who cannot plainly see the evangelical conspiracy to take dominion over the US and then the world is going through life with blinders on.

www.theocracywatch.org...

Originally posted by Lilitu


There are a lot of conspiracy theories discussed in these forums and most of them are hogwash. But anyone who cannot plainly see the evangelical conspiracy to take dominion over the US and then the world is going through life with blinders on.

www.theocracywatch.org...

Let me rephrase it then. The bible does not lay out a plan for christians to take dominion of this planet before the literal return of the actual Jesus. That's not our role while in these "corruptible" bodies, which will never be incorruptible till they are raised from the dead incorruptible or raptured (which means 1 of 2 things - either we're already gone or we're already gone!). It's Jesus' role to take this planet, not ours, and anyone that thinks differently is probably reallllly confused about biblical texts and prophecy.

I don't think you have alot to worry about though, as the "antichrist" government gets a chance at it first. Of course, him and his lackeys basically destroy the whole planet, but whatcha gonna do? You wanted him and he's happy to oblige.

Originally posted by idle_rocker
reply to post by undo

 

I have never noticed that bumper sticker before...if that's true (and I have NO reason to doubt you), then you're exactly right. So may I ask who you think is going to win (by non-voting) the election? I have my thoughts, but I'd like to hear yours if you're willing to post them. If not, feel free to u2u me.

apology for it here:
seattletimes.nwsource.com...

it's mentioned and shown here
brain-terminal.com...

it's mentioned and shown here
www.worldnetdaily.com...


it's for sale here
www.beyondthewall.com...

it's mentioned here:
www.traditionalvalues.org...

it's mentioned here:
deltamikecharlie.blogspot.com...

this guy posted a quote that i thought was interesting:

The secularists, especially in the [Democratic] leadership, have a hostility toward fundamentalists that comes close to bigotry, and may sometimes cross that line. Delegates to the 1992 Democratic convention gave fundamentalists an average score of 11 on a 0 to 100 warmth scale. (By contrast, conservatives got a 34 from the same delegates.) This was the coldest view toward any group by the delegates at either convention. More than half of the Democratic delegates gave Christian fundamentalists a 0 score, rating them, in effect, with Hitler and Stalin. (Well, perhaps not with Stalin. It is not a big secret that there are still people in the Democratic party with some warmth toward socialist experiments.) What makes these low ratings even more striking is that they come from political people, who one would think would be inclined to like, or pretend to like, every potential voter.

www.seanet.com...


i was just a normal, everyday, rock'n'roller, concert going, bowie loving



bar hopping, party girl before i became a christian. and the one time i did vote, i voted as a christian democrat. you'd think the way christians are described sometimes, that we suddenly become "trailer trash" and our IQs drop several points. how that happens, i have no idea. i certainly feel smarter now than i was back then.






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Biblical Law

Dominists seek to re-interpret the U.S. Constitution so that it conforms to their Biblical Worldview. Mathew Staver, founder of Liberty Counsel declares it's time to get Jesus into the judicial mix.

"Now we're working to establish Liberty University School of Law, which will open its doors in August 2004. We are going to teach lawyers to think in a biblical, Christian world view."

According to dominionists, the Bible has supremacy over the U.S. Constitution. In a 2002 address to the Society of Catholic Social Scientists in Ann Arbor, Mich., federal judge James Leon Holmes, appointed in July, 2004, affirmed the supremacy of the Bible:

Christianity transcends the political order and cannot be subordinated to the political order.

The principle of separation of church and state has no place in his vision for the future:

The final reunion of Church and state will take place at the end of time, when Christ will claim definitive political power of all creation, inaugurating an entirely new society based on the supernatural.
Biblical Law

So please don't even tell me this is not occurring, they wish to rule all and judge all based on their religious and ideological beliefs.

You can deny it's happening all you want, most people can't see the forest cuz of the trees.

Millions are brainwashed, and do you really think they know it? Do you think they can tell the difference?

Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by LDragonFire

 

There is no conspiracy. I am an evangelical Christian and have no interest in doing such things. Therefore, since I am an EC and am unaware of such a conspiracy, there most certainly is not one. You see, evangelical Christians are kind of like herding cats. We all have different beliefs. The only thing in common is that we believe in a God.

Well gosh I feel so much better now.

So are you saying you don't want to live in a Christian world isn't this the point of evangelism? Isn't this the goal of your faith? And if our world is not a Christian world it will be destroyed?

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
There are Christians and some are Evangelicals but the ones you are talking about do not really exist. It's a myth made up by the NWO to fool you right into their plan. The NWO is the Satanic conspiracy. The bible predicted the NWO 2000 years ago, now you are throwing out the one Book that tells you how to deal with it. The Devil has always been a master of getting folks to fall for the exact opposite of the truth. If you're not a Christian consider yourself pwned.

Your book also mentions many will come in my [Jesus] name, but will not be from him, yet you point out satanists as the enemy, hmmm who should we believe in, a organisation that has millions of true believers, massive political and financial power worldwide, or a few nutjob satanists killing cats in the woods? I'm not a Christian, and I see with my eyes wide open, any one here that would describe a Christian this way?

Originally posted by idle_rocker

I am a Christian and have not decided for whom I will vote. I don't see the church as trying to control the masses. If a pastor is telling his flock how to vote, he/she is definitely outside the realm of prescribed teaching.

I was raised in church assembly of god, church of god, pentecostal, foursquare and the like. All of the churches I have attended were political, they might not have gone right out in the open and told you who or what to vote for, but they always made it a point to let you know what the "right" vote would be.

I guess there are a few churches that try to control every aspect of their membership, but this is not true as a whole. As a matter of fact, I would say this is very rare.

Well of course you would think this, if you thought otherwise you would be admitting I'm right. They use media such as books like the purpose driven life, and focus on the family, if you have problems in your life do you talk to your pastor, they teach you how to live, Every aspect of it.

Originally posted by undo

do you sincerely believe we voted in Bush? i don't. no way were democrats going to take responsbility for the war in Iraq. the idea was to make it look like it was all the brainchild of christians who put the man in power (which we didn't), after which he goes about the world making the name of the USA and christianity, a mockery. it was quite devious and brilliantly planned. gotta hand it to the people manipulating all this: it really is the best snow job i've ever seen.

Uh Every Christian I know voted for Bush!!!!!

Wow some day the sun will come out and Christians as a whole will finally take responsibility for their history and actions. [sarcasm]

President Bush's successful reelection effort owed much to the support he received from highly religious voters, especially white evangelical Protestants. But what has been largely overlooked is Bush's success with less religious voters. In fact, compared with four years ago, Bush made relatively bigger gains among infrequent churchgoers than he did among religiously observant voters.
Religion and the Presidential Vote

Originally posted by Lilitu
There are a lot of conspiracy theories discussed in these forums and most of them are hogwash. But anyone who cannot plainly see the evangelical conspiracy to take dominion over the US and then the world is going through life with blinders on.

Thanks for the reply and Very well said, Starred!!

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Well gosh I feel so much better now.

So are you saying you don't want to live in a Christian world isn't this the point of evangelism? Isn't this the goal of your faith? And if our world is not a Christian world it will be destroyed?

My original comment was facetious. All I did was rephrase the illogical arguments of atheists who say the following every time a conspiracy thread about atheists is created:

There is no conspiracy. I am an atheist and have no interest in doing such things. Therefore, since I am an atheist and am unaware of such a conspiracy, there most certainly is not one. You see, atheists are kind of like herding cats. We all have different beliefs. The only thing in common is that we do not believe in a god.

Pretty illogical, huh?

I actually do have some serious thoughts on your thread but it looked like a 'retaliation thread' (for lack of a better term) of the recent atheist thread so I wasn't sure how serious it was to be taken.

Are there some evangelical Christians pushing their own agenda? Actually, yes. And God bless them! (Another thing I've seen a few say when an atheist conspiracy is brought forth: "Gee, I hope Atheists are trying to overthrow religion! Kudos to them if so!"). The only thing is, they are bound to fail. As Undo has already pointed out, it isn't meant to be. The NWO is next on the prophetic agenda and we are heading there at full speed like an out of control train. EC's are generally only trying to wake up as many people as possible while there is still time.

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It's poignant to remind anyone who is actually paying attention that it says the last days deception is going to be really convincing. It says the religious arm of it is going to be lead by someone who LOOKS like a Lamb (a christian) but speaks like a Dragon ( in this context, the dragon is Satan). How does one "speak like a Dragon" ? Anyone know?

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there's always a margin of error, however. that's where the "is it live or is it memorex" problem arises. it says if it were possible, even the elect of God would be fooled. i think this indicates that you gotta really be on your toes, or the wool is gonna get pulled over your eyes and that includes christian people who aren't paying attention.

Especially if more information is being revealed. The Bible speaks of many being deceived. It also says to stay awake! Why? Because what we thought to be Truth may turn out to be a lie and if one is awake, they may just catch it!

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How does one "speak like a Dragon" ? Anyone know?

Someone may look wise and righteous but is spewing vile things. What is their motive? They may; look good, sound good, but is what they are saying - feel right?

I always say; look for a ring of truth. In order to avoid being sheep that is lead over the precipice it is wise to question our beliefs and leaders.

I think that most Christians just want to live thier lives, go to church on Sunday and not be preached to politically. They go to church because it makes them feel good and to honor God.

But there are (just as in ALL religions) who aren't there for spiritual reasons. These are some of the leaders like Rex Humbard and some other Televangelists. They use their position to obtain power over others and don't really live a Christian life. These same people are the ones who Reagan cosied up to in 1980, to win their votes. The Reagan people realized there was an untouched source there, ready to be picked.

If you haven't read it already, a very excellent book on the subject is written by none other than former Pres. Jimmy Carter. However, you feel about him politically, he IS a very strong Christian. He wrote a book called something like "Our Endangered Values" I think that's it. In it, he speaks about how the Southern Baptist Convention (a huge entity) was taken over by political types who wanted to foist their Christianity on everyone. Pres. Carter said that Southern Baptists had always been proud of their tradition of not mixing politics with religion. Until the takeover. He had been a member most of his life and left the SBC because he realized he just couldn't fight it. That's just one change that was made. There were others but that's the one that stood out to me.

There's also Jerry Falwell, who cosied up to all politicians, right along with other televangelists and well-known ministers. The Religious Right has gained much political power in the last 30 years. These are the churches where ministers loudly proclaim their political views; which they aren't supposed to do becauase they are non-profit religious groups.
Anyway, the book is basically about how the Religious Right took over the Baptist Churches first, and then the nation's political power base. There are other big profile ministers who have done the same kind of thing, but I can't rememeber thier names, most are well-known, though.

25% of the U.S. population are Fundamentalists. They are usually very strong in their faith - they could easily help someone to win an election.

They already know who is gonna be in that office. The pretense of oh those stuffy conservaties and oh those liberal liberals, it's all for show. What's important to the folks at the tippety top, is that they can control our opinions because we as a nation of people of varied beliefs, are an inbuilt army of assassins.

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Your book also mentions many will come in my [Jesus] name, but will not be from him, yet you point out satanists as the enemy, hmmm who should we believe in, a organisation that has millions of true believers, massive political and financial power worldwide, or a few nutjob satanists killing cats in the woods? I'm not a Christian, and I see with my eyes wide open, any one here that would describe a Christian this way?

Satan is a lot smarter than you give him credit for. He could care less about the Satanists. The people who he has in his back pocket do not even believe he exists...

Are your eyes really open?

"They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."
2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

It's just all more evidence to me that the bible is true as we are seeing the predictions of Daniel and Revelation right before our very eyes. Undo is right. We are in for the ride of our lives. And I'm not evangelical...I'm my own Christian self - I belong to no denomination. This all comes from years of study and trying to prove the Bible is wrong. I couldn't, and it's great I didn't because we live in the end-times church.

I can only hope it happens quickly and doesn't take generations.

For those of you who think it's not going to happen; enjoy what you think now. You will simply be given what you asked for.

Not trying to spew hate here at all. What I AM saying is wake up and smell the coffee. It's happening, folks.


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When Anton LaVey died, he left the Church of Satan in the hands of his son, who said the Church of Satan's outlook is that there's no Satan, there's no God, there's only humans and one life, which you should try to enjoy, as much as possible. Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow you may die. That kinda thing. So essentially, it has aligned itself with atheism, as a matter of course.

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Well that's one of Satan's biggest lies; that he doesn't exist, nor does God. But, Satan does know God exists and Jesus makes him shake in his proverbial boots. He's on his last proverbial leg right now and he's working hard.


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And if our world is not a Christian world it will be destroyed?

This is how it works. You pick a side as part and parcel of your free will. The side you pick determines the fate of the planet. This planet belongs to Satan, who is known in sumerian-akkadian texts as Enki (who's name means "Lord Earth). He doesn't like humans. At one time, he had us around for convenience sake (slavery) but now the population is unwieldy and he can't control it as easily as he did at one time. So he needs to dispose first, of those who constitute the biggest threat to his power - et.al, people who believe and practice the christian faith, conscientious objecters, women who create more humans, and people who refuse to be used to murder and annihilate each other simply on the context of faith or the lack thereof.

The guys at the top, don't hold any particular paradigm as sacred above their own unquenchable thirst for power. If there are supposed christians in that mix, check Revelation to see what's up with that. If there are supposed atheists in that mix, again, check Revelation. It'll all start to make sense.

It isn't that God just steps in or Jesus just steps in and takes control of the planet. No, people choose who they want running this place and they will envitably choose the guy who's been in control of this planet for much longer than even most christians believe (this has been his planet even before we came into being). So the devastation you will witness will simply be Enki doing his thang and getting as many people as possible to agree with it till there's hardly anyone left alive on the planet. He don't like you, at all.

Some people will become christians during this time, however, and it's for them that Jesus finally returns as conqueror. By then, it's pretty evident that Enki thought he was gonna reboot the planet, kill billions and billions of people, without any repercussions. When it's evident he has no business being in charge, and that's he's basically the maniac of all maniacs, Jesus' reboots him instead.



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I believe that Forestlady has it right. Politics has invaded Churches, not the other way around. Most people are easily led if you package the message right.

Christians are called to be in the world but not of it. That means to live a life according to Christian values, while not getting involved in things that are against our values.

I see no point in protesting in front of abortion clinics or in front of movie theaters. The war we fight is spiritual not physical. Most Christians know who is in charge of the world and know that the warfare is better fought in the spiritual realm rather than the physical realm.

Remember when posting here, that we ATSers are the exceptions and not the norm when you speak of mind manipulation, and such. We are all here to search for the truth, no matter where it takes us.

The conspiracy is not Christians wanting to rule the world, but politicians using Christians to reach that goal.