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Is America the new Nazi Germany?

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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 02:34 PM
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Are we becoming similar to Nazi Germany? Laughable... We gladly co-opted the fathers of the Fourth Reich into our highest levels of science and government with Operation Paperclip.
en.wikipedia.org...

It's no secret that many American bankers and industrialists had ties to the Nazi war machine... The most notable perhaps being the Rockefeller/IG Farben connection...

Just look at the Nazi corporations that are still alive and flourishing today! Here are but a few examples:
www.thegreatboycott.net...

Our country, and indeed the majority of the world, runs on technology first pioneered and perfected by Nazi scientists.

This country has been a secret home for the Nazi party and belief system since WWII, and is more powerful in this country than most would imagine or believe.




posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 02:44 PM
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I believe the similarities are limited, but the ones that are there are too important to ignore. It does kinda look like the US is becoming more and more like Nazi Germany ever since 9/11. If you think about some of the ideas that come up about 9/11, you will notice that they are a lot like some of the conspiracies involved with Hitler in Germany.



Many people have pointed out the possiblity that 9/11 was a clone of Pearl Harbor, an attack on the U.S. that was deliberately allowed to take place to further the war aims of a president. But more sinister comparison has been made by those skeptical of of the motives of the Bush administration.

People believe that the 9/11 attack was a deliberate, well-organized attack that the government was already aware of, but did nothing to prevent it. Now coming to the subject of the Nazis:


They claim that what happened was more akin to Adolf Hitler's burning of Reichstag, the German Republic's parliament, on February 27, 1933. Hitler blamed the fire on Communitsts plotting against the state. But historians widely accept the view that a member of the Prussian interior ministry set fire to the building deliberately, on Hitler's orders. Immediately after the fire Hitler announced an emergency decree which suspended the normal civilian rights and liberties of citizens and gave the government enormous authority to impose order....On October 3, 2001 Congress approved Bush's Patriot Act, a similar bill which reduced the civil liberties of Americans and allowed the detention without trial of anyone the government deemed a potential "security threat."


So the U.S. blames the entire attack on Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and then declares a state of emergency on the U.S. Then thousands and thousands of troops are sent to their deaths in the Middle-East for simplistic reasons. After we defeated the main targets, instead of pulling out the military forces, we kept them their (even sent more) to further the death toll. To this day, troops are dying for, what I believe are, pointless reasons. Sounds very , doesn't it. Almost like Deja-Vu...

DTOX X

[edit on 3/31/2008 by DTOX X]



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 03:45 PM
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"What religion got purged?"

Um, you are aware the Jews are not a race of people right? And I'm not a Holocaust expert but did live in Germany for five years and have talked to a lot of older German citizens about history. They are normal, everyday people to me but they were not able to see clearly through all of Hitler's lies in that time or so they told me. Maybe they are liars, maybe they were embarassed or maybe they were telling the truth and you simply could not wiki Hitler at that time to get all the facts we have now.

Smoking bans, weapon bans, the US looks more like it everyday to me only they learned from Hitler's mistakes and take a slower, more gradual approach to getting people to support horror.



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 04:18 PM
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its funny reading this post not haha funny but weird funny)

i was watching a report on the news yesterday syaing that in africa you need something like $10000 (african) to buy something like a loaf of bread.
it sounds very simular to what happened to germany before the war.
i thought to my self when i saw the report on africa wow thats actually like germany.

also being an outsider (english) i see reports about america is getting more and more christian orintated eg anti abortion, things like the jesus camps for kids telling kids to fight a war against muslims and things.
this religous intolorence is alot like what went on in germany.

to me history seems to be repeating its self alot

oh also the near stock market crash we had the other week.


if im wrong about anything im sorry but its just what i see on the news



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 04:50 PM
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reply to post by dark_matter06Um, you are aware the Jews are not a race of people right?
 


Jews are the Hebrew race. The Nazis could identify them by their
facial features. The Jewish religion also accepts converts from other
races. Did the Nazis also persecute them? If so, only because of political reasons.
We know that Hitler's whole thesis was about purifying the race. Based on Darwinist ideals. Eugenics, and that the German people were a superiorly evolved race. A race that should rule the rest of mankind. The Nazis even tried to improve the German line; with selective breading programs.
The U.S. was closer to becoming a fascist state back then. Hitler said he
modeled his eugenic program after the U.S. program, of that time. One of Hitler's biggest mistakes; was that he thought the U.S. would be on his side!

The U.S. is to much of a hodgepodge of races for such a scenario to take place. At least I hope! There is much backlash by whitey in the U.S.; against the proliferation of other races.
However the political pendulum swings with the winds that move the people of the World. It would take more then a genius to tell where a new
fascist state or Hitlitarian type figure will raise it's ugly head. Could be Europe, The Muslim's, The East, who knows?



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Pellevoisin
A propos of this thread, I must encourage all to read Naomi Wolf's seminal work on the Nazi rise to power and the tactics of the Bush/Cheney government:The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot

One can get the gist of her presentation from this video on YouTube:

www.youtube.com...


Thank you for posting this video.
It proves we live in dangerous times and that we have been going trough the same proces quite some times.
We should learn from the history of people who have been going trough this before us.

The comparison of blackwater with the gestapo is realy scary.

The OP is asking this about America but if feel they are not the only ones moving to the new fasism.
I often wonder if we in europe will be next, or are allready there.



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:42 PM
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Have you ever wondered why Adolph Hitler remains an icon today and yet Stalin, Lenin, Mao and many more pale in comparison?

Well thats obvious, a good mustache! It's a clearly distinctive facial feature.
Thats why i remember Gorbachov more than Stalin. Silly russian with a wine stain in his forehead.


About the jews persecution...
Well, i'm not sure, since i haven't really researched but,
The Catholic church has been persecuting jews for many years. The main example i know is with Izabel la Catolica de España (Isabella the Catholic) 1451-1504.
I was always surprised how the catholic church, though being in Musolini's Itally, never tried to do anything againts Hitler & Musolini's carnage. Well at least when i was young and still belive that the catholic church is cristian
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And is even more interesting how i never really got a clear response from a cathequist in my school. Later i learned that there where two sides of the story. For one side the Catholic church now condemns the holocaust.
On the other side the high bishops had pictures shaking hands with Musolini.
Also, it was in fact an incredible good coincidence that Musolini happened to be like Hitler. In terms of military Italy is well defended of the direct north by the Alps and it would have been a hard nut to crack if invaded.

I also want to ad one thing, Lenin had made an big purge in order to convert to comunism. He made the purge of the north east.
Hitler, made the purge of the west. He did the holocaust, he even hurted UK civ populance by shooting the cities and the allies did carpet bomb many cities under the excuse that they couldn't aim well the bombs from such a height.
Even more, the japanese purged the south East.
Wars are a purging method too, and the US has been purged of Full-o'-Energy young men for many unclear wars. Those men and women could have done a lot more at home than dying in a country far away.
South america was also purged in the 80' dictatorships. At the point that "cultured" citizens (and i don't mean doctors and engineers) are a hard find these days.
And there are many more, i just recently heard of the Filipinas purge in 1975.

(And i want to add tha the Whole America was purged by the spanish and the english when the first came here)

So, Purge, purge, purge. Why am i saying this word so much?
Purges are a way of taking out people you don't want, out of the picture. People that may hurt your ideals or interests.
In fact, the '30 social thinkers (like Huxley and Orwell) belived that any abrupt change in social behaviour, in the social system, would need a purge of everyone that would oppose (now or later) the new social system.



I think, at this point, we should be asking: Didn't the Nazis win the war?
Did they had to win it? Was there a real objective more than destroying europe's individuality so it could be molded into one single union? Just like the cristian wanted for 1700 years and the romans before them?
They all used the same methods. Kill, pillage, rape. And force a new filosophy into people.

Rasism, genocide, abolition of freedom. These things that put the word Nazi on our minds are, and have been, generated by the goverments of the world, not it's people.
We are, in a way, hapeless citizens hoping that the bomb doesn't explode in our courtyard while we see our neighbour suffer.
And i don't think it is because we are selfish beings that don't care about each other, thats the TV, thats what IT tell us about ourselves. I think we are just scared.


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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:48 PM
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I would compare Blackwater, Executive Outcomes, Dyncorps, etc. more with Hitlers Shutzstaffel Mercenaries, and more apropos to the American condition, to the Hessian Mercenaries hired by the crown in the 1770's to fight the Continental Army.

We are already there.

The EU's sovereignty is being eroded away
www.abovetopsecret.com...

What about votes not counting? Sound familiar?

This is a proxy military dictatorship. the fact that the United States has not flown it's Civil Flag since 1871 should be an indicator of our current situation...

Civil Flag = uscivilflags.org...

Perhaps it's time we pick up the Gadsden Flag? en.wikipedia.org...

"Go ahead....Tread on me....See what happens, I dare you!" -Me



posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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Wall Street [Prescott Bush, grandfather to GW, DuPonts, Rothschild, IBM and more] fully financed through IG Farben Hitler and the Nazi party in 1928. Wall Street [Rockefellers, Rothschild's et al, ] financed the Bolshevik's revolution. Karl Marx wrote his Communist Manifesto in 1848. He plagerized his Manifesto from Clinton Roosevelt's, Ancestorial Cousin to FDR, thesis, "The Science of Government, Founded on Natural Law" in 1841, taken word for word from Adam Weishaupt's plan for a one world dictatorship by the Illuminati finished in 1776. This is supported by "non-politically" correct historical facts and documentation.

You don't even want to know about Korea and Vietnam and I'm sure that you wouldn't have a party knowing the truth about Al Qaeda. This took two years of constant research and disbelief to finally uncover the truth. WWIII is coming and the planned one world dictatorship is in the works.





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posted on Mar, 31 2008 @ 11:26 PM
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It is basically a consolidation of Continents first into Unions. Each Union ha s it's own government and currency. Next, come the merging of all Unions into one New World Order.

Spreading the US military thin is China's war with the US by Proxy.

China wants a new world order too! But under China of course. This creates a battle for the world government on the world stage between two SuperPowers.

This showdown is collectively referred to as WWIII.



posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 05:39 AM
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Don't forget that "Nazi" is short for national socialist. The US is the exact oppposite, that being globalist capitalist.

So the Germans only wanted trade that was in their national interest, protectionist in a lot of ways. Whereas the US is quite happy to let it's companies do business against the national interest to make a quick buck. The Germans also believed in a more equitable distribution of wealth, whereas America believes in free markets. However they are/were both fascist.



posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 05:52 AM
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Originally posted by dark_matter06
Um, you are aware the Jews are not a race of people right? And I'm not a Holocaust expert but did live in Germany for five years and have talked to a lot of older German citizens about history.


Yes, sorry, i forgot that everything that happened in Germany were about the few Jewish people... I just presumed that since we were talking about the religion we would be talking about the Religion the absolute vast majority practiced and continued to practice.


They are normal, everyday people to me but they were not able to see clearly through all of Hitler's lies in that time or so they told me.


You don't have to see trough every lie to vote for another candidate any more than you have to believe every thing a candidate claims to vote for him. I think we can with some certainty say that 14 million German voters did not want to see a Jewish genocide or is that your contention? We should take into account that Hitler was hardly the first or the last European politician that played the race/religion card and that the vast majority just never make good on their threats once in office. People want to be PROTECTED from foreigners gaining undue influence in their country but it takes a truly twisted individual to exploit such reasoning for genocidal purposes.


Maybe they are liars, maybe they were embarassed or maybe they were telling the truth and you simply could not wiki Hitler at that time to get all the facts we have now.


Sure but we also know that Hitler's support were in fact dwindling despite the rise of his private army and that there were hundreds of NSDAP speakers flying and driving across the country spreading a message that might have seemed quite appealing and non-genocidal. Unless someone can present to me some evidence that even the 14 million Germans, that voted for NSDAP in the last election expected that he would start world war2, kill millions of foreigners while sacrificing 5 or 6 million German lives in the process i am not even going to consider the possibility that there is something fundamentally wrong with either Germans, or humanity, in general.


Smoking bans, weapon bans, the US looks more like it everyday to me only they learned from Hitler's mistakes and take a slower, more gradual approach to getting people to support horror.


So why do all these leaders have to consistently and persistently hide the truth if people really would support horror against those who have never done anything to them? Why bother with lies and deception when human 'nature' is predisposed to violence? Why do they send us to school for a decade ( and half a decade more if you want to stand a good chance to rise to anywhere in their state machinery ), change our history books to tell us the lies of those who hold power now, at every turn fight our efforts to organize into unions so as to best defend our interest and generally suppress our best efforts to make a living wage without having any time left to actually live in?

Why would they have to do all these things if, according to the major religions and vast tracts of popular science, we are just natural predators that does what we like? These questions are the one's you will NOT be getting answers for in the main stream press,science or your favorite religion.

Stellar

PS: And no, I'm not German but i can't be sure who my Dutch ancestors might or might not have been involved with a few hundred years ago.



posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 06:31 AM
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This is indeed, a good post
I was thinking of starting a post like this, hats off to kleverone

Very interesting point. Germany wnated to dominate the world....just as our goverment is doing, occupying territories. Many immigrants, msotly from south and central america, HATE the US for that. They lvoe the land here, but do not like having a big brother occupying near or in thier countries.
Look at all the secret technology the government has, thinking of making, and the future.... thats what the Nazi air force was doing back. When america eventuall took west germany, alot of that technology was confiscated for further dissection and research.
It does run stronger than nazi germany though.... our level of governments here, wnat to destroy us as well. At least hitler, took care of his people, well , providing they were Arian desecendants of course. Here, its like if were not part of the Illluminati, or mason, we are scheduled for extermination...population control.
again, good post kleverone



posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 06:50 AM
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The NAZI's were extreme capitalists... the word socialist was used to lure the masses to their cause and had nothing to do with their economic policies.



posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 07:24 AM
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Since we're neighbors you might enjoy this post out of Nazi Germany
www.press.uchicago.edu...

Can you get behind the invasion of Iraq occurs in our minds unless we're actually over there, and in that way we have been invaded, here. We live in a constant state of invasion ...squinted closed our eyes cause the sun's so bright ...then fell asleep and didn't wake up ...cause you don't want to, can't feel it, cause once you do, you can't erase it.

National boundaries are a state of mind ...control.

We're the invaders, put here when we were born, tag everything like a dog then check out and see what invasion really is and it's just hurt and loss, insanity, fun, games and good lovin' inbetween.



posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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As a student of Nazi Germany for History classes in college, I can definitely say your off base on this. One specific example is the fact that Nazi Germany had a cost of living wage program for its workers that was LEGALLY FIXED at a higher rate than most other nations, especially the US. But we today are still arguing about the minimum wage level.

Our military is strong according to the numbers and can be pulled back to reinforce our "well regulated militias" in the event of invasion. Since we have so many armed civilians ready to be members of home defense groups, any invader would be sticking their head into a hornet's nest and sneezing.

Just because our military now operates as efficiently as Nazi Germany's doesn't mean we're the new Nazi Germany.

And have you checked out the land prices in Paraguay and South American countries? Even in Mexico the dollar's value is so high ANYONE could buy enough land to erect a compound in those countries. In fact a growing number of retirees in the upcoming "boom generation" are buying second homes IN MEXICO because the cost of living and land prices are cheaper on the dollar.

I myself am thinking of buying and building a second place to retire in Mexico if I can't get a good deal near Rachel Nevada or Tuscon Arizona.

And in the end, wouldn't it be better for America if Bush and Cheney were out of the country?



posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 10:12 AM
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Here's another good article on your premise:

Campaign Had signs of American fascism

Dec. 12 1988, San Francisco Chronicle printed a James Michner column, Campaign Had Ominous Signs of American Fascism.

“This year’s election scared me. It was conducted with a brutality and lack of attention to basic issues which appalled. The success of its ugly strategies flashed signals that this was the kind of electioneering we should expect during the next three national campaigns of this century.

“What frightened me? The tactics that proved so effective were those which Josef Goebbels found useful in destroying the German Republic in the 1930s. First, the ‘big lie’, the endless repetition until it becomes accepted proof, and the desire to destroy the opposition rather than refute its arguments.

“Second. Appropriating the emotional symbols of nationhood such as the flag, the pledge of allegiance, prayer in schools, exaltation of the family, opposition to abortion, and a macho boast that all citizens have the right to carry firearms and use them at will.

“Third. Denouncing anyone who did not pass those self-imposed ‘litmus tests’ as ‘outside the mainstream, unpatriotic’, perhaps even ‘treasonous’.

“Fourth. The callous use of race, in the case of Willie Horton, to inflame prejudices and divide the population. Michael Dukakis was not defeated, he was destroyed. And that kind of victory does not serve the republic well. If persisted in, it could lead to American-style Fascism. I am a liberal Democrat who un-successfully ran for Congress in 1962, one of the best things I’ve ever done, because it taught me facts about American political life.

“As a member of the board of directors of Radio Liberty, and Radio Free Europe, which strive to portray an honest portrait of our nation abroad, I am an anti-Communist warrior. However, the Bush men did corrupt the political system. And, in a time of quiet and growing crises, they prevented any reasonable debate on the great issues facing this nation. As a consequence, we have postponed rather than solved our problems, and when the due bills are presented, the results may be devastating.

“What are these problems? Consider, the enormous burden of debt whose management tempts us into so many false steps.

“The imbalance of our trade with foreign nations so that we became a consuming nation rather than a producing one.

“The abandonment of one major area of production after another to other nations better organized, trained and disciplined than our own. I refer to steel, automobiles, communications systems, shipping, clothing, shoes and even minor items like the printing of books.

“The constant selling-off of our capital goods to foreigners at bargain-basement prices.

“The debasement of our public schools so we send half-educated young people to compete against fully-educated Japanese, Germans and Koreans.

“The determined swing of our judiciary to the hard-Right, so that the natural changes that all societies need to survive, will probably be inhibited as civil liberties are lost.

“We divert so much of our wealth to the servicing of our trillion-dollar debt, that most of the taxes I pay go to service debt. We are making bankers richer, and workers poorer. And I expect this imbalance to worsen.

“But it is the prospect of seeing four or five ultra-Right-wing justices on the Supreme Court that really scares me. For then, the subtle balances that have prevailed in our civic life may be destroyed,” James Michner said.



posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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Edit: seems someone posted the vid before me
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For those of you who would prefer to read:

www.guardian.co.uk...

Fascist America, in 10 easy steps by Naomi Wolf

Read and enjoy.

[edit on 1-4-2008 by blahdiblah]

[edit on 1-4-2008 by blahdiblah]



posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 01:15 PM
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Kleverone, very good post and a subject I have raised on many occasions, what is interesting to note that there are people out there that are in total denial of what is really going on inside the US and I mean American citizens. A few have posted here and one wonders what exactly it would take to bring them down to Earth.

Mike, A country dose not become an Empire just becuase it has large armed forces, or industrial complex, you obviously dont understand what an Empire is. And you are quite wrong in saying the people did not know about their Empires because here in the UK we did. The British Empire was the greatest and biggest to date and no other as yet has matched it, obviously you think a McDonald in every country makes for an Empire.

What your comments re above has to do with this thread anyway is perculiar. Like it or not the US is turning into a fascist state, all the mechanisms are there and all it will take is for Buffon Bush to give the word and thats it. To try and argue otherwise is ridiculous and would only highlight ignorance of the facts and reality.

Facts; the US incarcerates people without due process, the President can invoke Marshall Law, the US tortures people, Patriot 1 & 2 etc. etc.

The reality; Men, Women and children Tasered, or shot gassed and burnt to death. People denied the right to travel, persons accused of treason and being unpatriotic etc. etc.

But every dictatorship requires its helpers and its obvious from comments from some members on this site that they would be all to willing to lend a helping hand.



posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 02:24 PM
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we'll know for sure when indiana jones and his dad start stealing holy relics from us!



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