Is America the new Nazi Germany?

Originally posted by ATruGod
The whole invasion idea:

What better way to not have to sick your own military on thier own families.

Something to think about.

Exactly. I believe these tactics have been implemented before although I am not sure where I heard it. I could be mistaken.

It almost makes me wonder if WW2 was just a practice run.

I didn't read through the whole thing, but America now reminds me more of Rome and her downfall, then Nazi Germany and hers.

Originally posted by NwestJagsfan
I didn't read through the whole thing

That is never a good idea, information is always vital when making a desicion about anything. You don't have to agree with what you read, and it may re-enforce you current belief...but don't ever not read something and then comment. Especially on ATS

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Is America the new NAZI Germany?

Great question. Best answered by someone who has been there and seen it first hand:

justicefornone.com...

Great post btw! Starred and flagged. Great tat as well!



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Wow, that is a pretty powerful article, even though I cannot validate it's authenticity I can vouch for it's message.

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Great thanks from good post! Flagged.

I think that you should open that as a threat, if not before, but do it again!

I speak in my post little while a go in this same threat about warnings between the Nobles, at the end of it. This is the exact way how it works. You can ask your self, how did he came to US in beginning? Who give him the opportunity to survive? And he will survive again. Its not only him, its the knowledge of coming change, what they share.

That can be used in business, and in saving your family future. Information is the power, and when you look that date goes to 2005, he was way before many else...

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First, I appreciate that you all appreciate my contribution. I have been following the Nazi movement in America for a very long time as Fascism as really nothing more than a more violent and crueler form of socialism (IMO).

My personal experiences in this history date back to my childhood where when I became a young adult I had been indoctrinated with a hatred toward Jews, Blacks, Asians and everybody/everything which was not white anglo-saxon- protestant. This hatred was instilled with jokes such as "What is the difference between a cookie and a Jew "or "how do you babysit a ni..."? the answer would be met with uproarious laughter- hence false truths cemented in the feel good laughter response.

I was not met with such humor upon picking up stakes and leaving my roots in Orange County, California!!!!!!

Thankfully, a very enlightened person directed me to study the holocaust as well as Russian history- which lead to a fervor of OCD studies into cultures I had once found to be reprehensibly funny. Deep study is no laughing matter as I quickly found out.

Books such as: Guns, Germs and Steel (by Jared Diamond- Pulitzer prize winner) gave me a view of primitive/civilized understanding as to the differences and the nature of humans. I now have a greater understanding which I highly recommend to everyone who want to learn how to empower themselves in a way which does NOT include destroying someone else to achieve this goal. The research is already done.

Why speculate when you can ask an expert as there are plenty of them around. I did the research myself and contacted this man's neighbors (I have been know to be pretty relentless in the search for truth when I am passionate about a subject). It is true- this man left and gave his simple reasons. At his age- uprooting and leaving is an arduous task at best! For his insight, I would have bought a bigger truck and personally packed his things and my things and moved with him. One one hand, I wished I had!!!!!

Alas, I am an American and I will die here with my family and friends doing my best to protect them until that day comes.

If anyone wishes to start a thread regarding my posted link- please feel free. I have had my fill of this subject and came by to support an OP which I admire (via his threads and comments).

If anyone wants to know whats coming and what Rex-84 (Funny- Hitlers first experiments with genocide and public deception of implementing his bigger plan for the elite was called T-4!!!).

Here is what everybody can expect but on a much more effective scale:

www.hardcoverdeals.com...
www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com...
www.google.com...:en-USfficial&hs=ScJ&start=10&sa=N
gulaghistory.org...

The last gulag link is because the book I had found decades ago I can no longer find!! It was pretty horrible- but I did manage to research the contents on this link and the information is easier to stomach.

www.google.com...:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a

This may sound racist- but I assure it is not. Laogai's are basically China's version of gulags and concentration camps. I cannot find the book "Laogai" either!! (I find this quite odd. It is a plain white cover with thick red fonts and about 800 or so pages. Please u2u me if you can find a copy. I lost mine in a move. This is a terrifying read which includes photos and content that makes the WW11 holocaust look like a children's puppet show.

I am happy to have added to this thread and as I said I will always remain a fan of the people in here. Anyone and everyone has my permission to any information I referenced to start another thread.

I would suggest advertising and/or promoting this one as the info is already here!

I have a feeling that America's version of implenting this history will be far more attractive (pretty trains and transports, ect) so that while it goes on foolish people will think nothing of it or little of it. Americans can make the biggest nastiest turds incredibly appetizing and aesthetically appealing...That is until you bite into it!


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Sometimes it takes days to find good guys like you to talk with... I do respect this talk.

First I want to thanks from links witch I will study with time, when I get that mood. I am also sorry if I dont offer any links in my reply, because what I most respect in this life, is a good opinion from believable mind. Off course Facts has their important part in our way, but great opinion is like best music in my mind. Its made from thousands of facts, and coming out as words of wisdom.

Research and Study, what I have seen many times little bit overrated in here, is the way to that higher form of understanding: To own opinions, and I do not say that I have find it all, but I am trying to find my way to those... Still learning, like we all down here!

You mention the jokes from past. I remember those too well too. Mostly in my country, those are make for propaganda against Russians and the Sweds. To laugh for another nations performances, or a race capability, has its great part also in todays sport world, and I have seen clearly how they fuel their support with negative ways today. Its ugly, but widely accepted.

Sport is a kind of a war, same laws, and same national fanaticism. Starting with jokes, ending to riots. My good friend owns a hockey team and we had wide talk from this issue last week when he was here in paradise, both of us very drunk... They do have now Play Offs, and riots too.

Fanatic behave is always the great threat. Its good that people comes to match, and pay their tickets, its also good that people support the war, and joins the army, but fanatics... President and owner of hockey team, they are afraid of them. Its nothing good for their cause.

Lets put it this way: If my friend stop to care about his hockey teams future anymore, will he continue to fight back against its supporters fanatism either? Answer is very terrific. No, he would not. Fight against those who makes the riots would end, and he would turn his support to those who cause even the most violent acts because their common dream, for supremacy.

Lets put that same question to the presidents and officials. We really can ask, did Hitler love his country, when he gives the power to all those fanatics? Or do that any of the leaders, who stop to fight against it and its all forms? Then you can ask the same question about your own leaders, what they have done to destroy that lethal part of your society? Answer will come, and in many cases, its not beautiful.

Is America that new Nazi Germany? Think about it.

About the gulags. Germany and Hitler has made like "father figure" for all those most brutal behaviours of human kind. I have listen evidence, mostly pro-holocaust, but also anti-holocaust. I have been in many camp sites my self (Treblinca, Bergen-Belsen, Aushwitz and camps in France for V-rocket bases in Normandy) Those, yes, are places where we all should visit, and give our deep tough what evils humans can be, but...

Like I said. I research lots of evidence before I do my opinions, and I can not say that from Holocaust in general. Something just not "fit" the picture. I have been educated from it in schools, like we all, but I need more proofs than eyewitness story to believe, that in that couple of hectar area in Poland, in Treblinca, where claimed that over 1 000 000 people finds their brutal destiny in couple of years... I spend there whole day, reading the book of surviver with my other eye, but I noticed, that many parts of it, was missing with my another eye... What I saw was not the same place described in book. There was even straight lies, about that "mine" witch didnt exist, but why these lies from known facts?

You should know now, that I wasnt looking from those lies, no, 100% opposite I promise. I was in my personal crusade to peoples evilness, just to understand it. But I didnt find it. I was amazed, and also shocked.

I am not denyier, or I dont see my self as one. Truth is more important than how I see my ego. I have jewish blood, like many of us, but it doesnt change my attitude towards the truth, its only thing what matters. My grandfather fight as captain in motorized unit with germans, and was awarded with German "Nazi" medal, but he was a Jew, like many in our army, who fight with Germans in great Barbarossa plan!

Jewish fought in German Wehrmacht, didnt you know that?

Contrary in writings from history, and known present facts, usually not fit in big picture... This lecture ends now. Hope to here from you again!







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Originally posted by laiguana
There's no-one pushing for a full-scale invasion of Iran, no one with importance anyway.

Really?

news.yahoo.com...

Obviously, they're ... heavily involved in trying to develop nuclear weapons enrichment, the enrichment of uranium to weapons grade levels," Cheney said in an interview with ABC television transcribed by the White House.

Where have I heard this before

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No question what they push, and attack Iran is their great cause. But will they succeed, but do the real government give the green light?

Everything for them is ready.

Originally posted by NwestJagsfan
I didn't read through the whole thing, but America now reminds me more of Rome and her downfall, then Nazi Germany and hers.

Eddie Izzard said it best when talking about the singing of the star spangled banner "and always with the hand over the heart. The romans are the only other place to do this so be VERY careful America". Ad as far as the whole "well in nine moths they (Bush) will be gone" ALLOT can happen in nine months, hell allot can happen in 24 hours. I don't even think a Jericho type event would have to happen (er, screen name beside). With all the fear of this that and the other only ONE event would have to happen on our soil to start the total coming apart of our nation.

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NO. We are the new Soviet Union.

I don't quite understand the whole 'America is just like the third reich' deal, we look more like the CCCP then anything.

You have the KGB (CIA) doing all their dirty business, You're slowly taking over other countries (Iraq) and you're forcing other countries to follow in your footsteps. 'If you're not with us, you're against us.' Sounds like a cold war slogan to me.



Bottom line?

America = USSR/CCCP/Soviet Union

And just like the USSR, her citizens are the ones truly suffering.

Peace,
FK

reply to post by Frontkjemper


Another good analogy but the bottom line is weather it be Nazi/Rome/or USSR, look at the outcome of all three.

Originally posted by JanusFIN
reply to post by kleverone

 

No question what they push, and attack Iran is their great cause. But will they succeed, but do the real government give the green light?

Everything for them is ready.

Will they succeed? A broad question. Succeed in creating or entering the war or succeed in the war itself?

Does the government really give the greenlight? No. The Elite do- government merely executes their commands (and they are commands).

Everything for them is ready? Again a bit broad. However, this scenario was been prepped for many decades- it is only a matter of execution and the response to public response.

Of course these are only my opinions.

Iran is not any great cause for them at all. Iran is merely in the way. Wrong place, wrong time.... bummer for Iran because its going to happen and Iran is going to be slaughtered no matter what they might think. And every crazed fanatic Muslim jihad spewing dissenter (which IMO is merely a protester/dissident with a bomb strapped to his/her chest) trying to catch the attention of the world to keep this from happening is not going to make a damn bit of difference and will only serve to give the invaders public support in eradicating all the crazy Muslims.

To me it is very sad and the same rehash ad infinitum. Muslims are dead and they don't even know it- which is even sadder. Also, promising pussy in the afterlife to increase their numbers for their own protection is not going to work either.

They are dead and nothing is going to stop it.

There is a great movie called "Voyage of the Damned". The Nazi's sent a luxury cruise ship filled with rich Jews seeking asylum from persecution and genocide. This ship sailed to every country- and it was turned away, sending these wealthy Jews back to the Nazi Germany.

The movie was the true story of this event: www.blechner.com...

The SS St. Louis was a ship owned Hamburg/American Cruise line. Americans turned this ship away as well!!!!!!!!!!

Nobody cared and they all knew what was happening at the time- anyone who tells you anything different is an ill-informed noodle brain.

Of course America showed up like cowboy heroes to saved the day!

As I said- I have done copious research over decades. America was supposed to be a beacon of hope- a better way toward achieving freedom, truth and justice.

My final opinion- America has been nothing but a training ground to build the strongest most unbeatable force to destroy any/all opposition for the elite once and for all. What better way to achieve this goal than to turn freedom fighters into socialist?fascist cannibals with out them ever knowing it!!! The best way to get a kid to eat broccoli is to convince it is something else- then dress it with cheese or something. It's still fricking broccoli!!!!!

The real truth is- there are very few really truly evil people- It only takes one rotten apple to spoil an entire barrel.

Ask your self this: Who is more foolish- the fool or the fool that follows him?

These evil creatures can convince most they are evil and by doing a few evil things they believe they are evil and continue acting this way until they believe otherwise. Until the duped figure out they are not evil they will continue to act this way until they find out who and what they really are- because they are listening to someone else's interpretation of their self.

Of course when this revelation happens they usually commit suicide because they are overwhelmed with grief and remorse for all the deaths and destruction it took for them to figure out something so simple.

Education and the return to the nature of human is so incredibly fragile and simple that it alludes all IQ's regardless of range at some time or another.

The extent of the limitations of the power of the elite, is directly proportional, to how far their minions can be manipulated and nothing more. These jerks sit around and think about how to control everything- and poor dumb slobs actually execute it for them.

If we did not give them the technology and were not so blown away by our own ability to create it- these aholes would not have any toys and would actually have to work for a living!!!!

Why do you think scientists are always turning up missing, dying mysteriously. They make a toy for the "king" and the kings clubs them with it!

You would think the smart kids would have learned this by now!!!!!!

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The problem that directly facilitated the rise of the National Socialistic party was not a weak currency, but rather the deflation occasioned by the Great Depression and the withdrawl of American investment capital.

The height of hyperinflation (which I think several of you are referring to) reached its peak in 1923 fully ten years before. With the introduction of the Rentenmark that year, the problem was basically solved. It was high unemployment that swelled NS party members, not the hyperinflation.

The closest America came to Nazi Germany was in 2001.

Since then, the United States has increasingly fallen away from the concept.

One has to keep in mind, always: The Germans wanted Hitler. He was the one who inspired with his leadership and nationalism in a time when it was desperately lacking.

Not many need or even want Bush to head up their America. I say the project if it existed has already failed and they know it. PNAC is a failure. It is time for all of them to creep back under the rock they came from in '96.

The fact these discussions of comparisons with Germany are frequent in the nation only further proves the nail is in the coffin.

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Will they succeed? A broad question. Succeed in creating or entering the war or succeed in the war itself?

Entering the war. There can not be what can predict as success, neither in Iraq. Question is about dominance of the region, and that is possible with bad outcomes too, thats more to do with "owning that time", and is that time long enough to be profitable. There is no winner in wars, public and soldiers will suffer always.

Does the government really give the green light? No. The Elite do- government merely executes their commands

I agree. But when they acts for these common causes, and keep those flags high, why they have been putted to those positions in first place, as "presidents", they show their loyalty to government above them. And yes, among them we have seen signs from miss trust to their competences.

Everything for them is ready? Again a bit broad. However, this scenario was been prepped for many decades- it is only a matter of execution and the response to public response.

They are ready to act. They see that military is trained, in positions, have all the needed weapons, and personal, and they are ready. They dont care what is public opinions, there are "lords of words" in media, who has that problem in their hands. President is only one element of wide structure, Media has it own agenda and leaders for "the words." From presidents view they are ready, and their part of work is much more tighter than in public we assume.

Iran is not any great cause for them at all.

Disagree. Thats their next step in agenda, and they focus on it. But there is also other choices and plans made, if green light turns to total red with Iran. North Korea, Syria, Venezuela... Plans has been made for many possible steps. But we can see the focus is on Iran. Question is, where the crusade will continue with most effective economical outcome with best geopolitical stance in future steps. Wars are made to last these days.

America has been nothing but a training ground to build the strongest most unbeatable force to destroy any/all opposition for the elite once and for all.

100% Agree! The planet is what they rules, are much more than US, what they protect, but USA has given them all the needed elements to build this dominating sword. Who use the weapons is meaningless, there are always mercenary to hire. Weapons and development wont disappear, but nations will.

Who is more foolish- the fool or the fool that follows him?

Difficult question indeed. I would say the fool, who knows that is fool to follow, but follows anyway, because believe that anything wiser really exist.

Education and the return to the nature of human is so incredibly fragile and simple... You would think the smart kids would have learned this by now!

I believe many years that world is gone forward, and people has gone more smart... Then my old father ask me, are they really? And you say it, my man, its very fragile! And we should treat our world, and our lessons, as fragile they are. Respect its core, and each others will.

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No, names and faces have gone to past, they are used to their end. Like Hitler and Stalin, human cult was effective, but only part of it works no more... WW2 cost the price for believed dictators to come for long time...

Idealism for masses is replaced with words, values, and pictures of mind control, with your dreams, and scares: like democracy, terrorists, western lifestyle, freedom, weapons of mass destruction, jihadists...

Its no matter who say them anymore, because all in power repeats them, before everybody believes them. Those puppets are there only to repeat them in every possible occasions.

Originally posted by Illahee
There are only two differences between the Nazi campaign under Hitler and the actions of the Bush/Cheney/Homeland administration.

1. They have not attempted to disarm the population yet.
2. They have not abolished religion and assumed Deity.
3. Devaluation of currency has not occurred.


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No crime network could get away with a crime as
enormous as the September 11 attack unless they can suppress
investigations and evidence. The media executives must either be under
the control of the crime network, or they must be part of the crime
network. the media has been "persuaded" not to report evidence that
Israel knew of the 9/11 attacks ahead of time The foreign press has
outright accused the Mossad of taking part in the 9/11 attacks but the
American media have been "persuaded" not to cover these accusations.

Originally posted by Dubyakadubla

Originally posted by Illahee
There are only two differences between the Nazi campaign under Hitler and the actions of the Bush/Cheney/Homeland administration.

1. They have not attempted to disarm the population yet.
2. They have not abolished religion and assumed Deity.
3. Devaluation of currency has not occurred.


1. Oh, yes they have : www.youtube.com...

2. They have taken religion out of schools- too many examples of this process well under way. Assumed deity: This one is going to happen quite soon!

3. OMG- where have you been? Are you a science researcher in the Antarctic?