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Is America the new Nazi Germany?

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posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 07:37 AM
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As I am sure most of you on this site have noticed and even pointed out the similarities between the US and Nazi Germany. My question is this....is this route being taking by Bush and company an intentional setup of America for in invasion or are they really just that stupid?

If Bush were actually making all of the decisions I would have to go with the latter, but since I am under the belief that he is merely a puppet of a shadow government, I believe this could be a setup.

I believe that the powers that be might be intentionally spreading our military very thin so that in the event of an invasion we would be vulnerable. For that last several weeks I have being running different scenarios through my mind and I just can't ignore the similarities between the US and Nazi Germany.

We are angering more countries by the day with our ridiculous policies and our arrogant demeanor. Are we being set-up by the powers that be for an invasion? The rest of the world no longer sees the US as a Democracy spreading Peace power but more along the lines of a Dictating bully. How long will other countries stand for this? Are they in on it? Is WW3 already planned and mapped out as a convienent form of population control? I know the may seem far fetched and I am not saying that I subscribe to these ideas personally, but they have been active in my head as of late. What was Nazi Gemany like before it was invaded? The general population had no idea what was really going on, or just didn't care. Sound familar?

Are we setting ourselves up for a takeover? Did the Bush family sell out America?

It would sure explain that big compound Bush just built in Paraguay.

Who knows, but I do think its about time to buy a gun.

I would love to hear other peoples opinions, pro or con. Rememeber....I do not subcribe to these ideas, I just entertain them.




posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 07:43 AM
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It is a matter of historic fact that both the Walker family and Bush family sold out the USA and Free Europe to the Nazis in order to make a buck (whether or not they were ideologically National Socialist and pro-Holocaust... ).

Bush and Cheney like their ilk seem to be pursuing a two-fold plan. Plan A, if it succeeds, will turn the USA completely into another Reich.

Their Plan B, if their Plan A goes bung, seems to be to decamp to Paraguay in the case of the Bush family and to Dubai in the case of the Cheney clan.

This of course is very much like the Third Reich with its Plan B to escape to the Americas. And programmes like Operation Paperclip made that quite the success.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:09 AM
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Two things I see wrong with that scenario...

One is that the United States Military is definitely NOT spread thin...


As of April 2007, about 1,426,700 people are on active duty in the military with an additional 1,458,500 people in the seven reserve components.

Wiki

FAR less than half are stationed overseas.. Even with Iraq and Afghanistan, still FAR LESS THAN HALF...

Second, the proliferation of armed Americans...


Adolf Hitler said (as quoted in his Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier, April 11, 1942): "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so."

during the Pacific War, Japan rejected the idea of invading the West Coast of the United States due to the prevalence of armed civilians. As noted after the war by one Japanese Admiral, "We knew that your country actually had state championships for private citizens shooting military rifles. We were not fools to set foot in such quicksand."[117]

As noted by Major Keith J. Stalder, USMC, in 1985, "... the Lee Enfield-armed Afghans can often hit at 800 meters or longer range while the Kalashnikov-armed motorized riflemen are ineffective beyond 300 meters..".[118] As Kenneth W. Royce has phrased it, 60,000 dead Soviets cannot all be wrong. Ultimately, the Soviets left in defeat, losing against mostly WW I and WW II bolt action rifles, while they themselves were armed with the latest weapons.

Wiki 2

And of course...


The United States has the largest number of guns in private hands of any country in the world with 60 million people owning a combined arsenal of over 200 million firearms.

BBC

To "Quasi" quote a famous Japanese Admiral, "careful in awakening the sleeping Tiger"....

Also looking at the history of our military actions in other countries; this is actually a fairly quiet time for our "interference" (If you want to call it that) in other countries..

Between the "6" SIX!!! Years of 1894 to 1900, (Approximately the same amount of time we have been in Iraq and Afghanistan) we were actively engaged militarily in....

CHINA X2
HAWAII (It's own country then)
NICARAGUA X4
KOREA
PANAMA
PHILIPPINES
CUBA
PUERTO RICO (Sovereign)
GUAM
Us Military Interventions

As you can see, while we are getting both more "HYPE" and far more "News and Advertisement" in reference to what is transpiring overseas in regards to our military, we are in no way stretched even as close to as thin as we have been..

Also remember that during those years, we (Our Military) was still fighting the Native Americans.. (Right or wrong a place for another thread)

Then there is also this to prevent an attack...



So as one can clearly see, if you disregard the hype and knee jerk reactions of those wishing to shed a negative light on everything military, it is clear; our Military is just fine...

Semper



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:23 AM
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While you bring up great points, I believe that the invasion of Iran would certainly spread the military thin. You also have to account for people who would refuse orders to invade Iran. Iraq was a different story, that war was sold on patriotism and lies, I don't think you will be seeing to many Pat Tillmans heading off for this one.

As far as armed Americans? You mean the ones with registered weapons that the government already knows about? How much ammo do you think they have? How many of those weapons are hunting rifles or shotguns? Would they stand a chance against heavily armored personel with bunker busters?

Your stance is certainly admirable but I have to disagree with your assumption that a bunch of disorgansized Americans with limited munitions and training would stand much of chance as a whole. As much as I wish your scenario is true, I just don't buy it.

I assure you that no action will be taken until they have every I dotted and every T crossed.

Nazi Germany made a lot of mistakes that I think this government has learned from. Patience is there biggest ally.

I certainly respect your well thought out and very informative post, but I don't agree with the scenario you predict.

I dig the pic, is that you? If so, I would certainly say that you have a better shot of survival then most, and if we were all armed like the pic, then I would certainly buy your version. Don't shoot.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:33 AM
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In a matter of Economic and Social policy we have already adopted an almost exact replica of Nazi Germany's of the 1930's .Right down to the gun control and the smoking bans. Minus the Holocaust (for now).

As far as the military being spread too thin there seems to be a few folks in the Pentagon that strongly disagree with Semper.
March 29th 2008. The US military is undermanned
The operations Semper discusses at the turn of the 20th century were taking place as relatively small actions at a time when a large civilized Nation (such as the German Empire whose Army was many many many times the size of ours) would take 2 months to mobilize just to their Eastern Front and much much longer to mount any kind of invasion. it was really not possible in 1900 for the US to be spread to thin. Nobody could touch us. Hell, it would have even took Britain 4 weeks to Mobilize 5 divisions and get them across the Channel to protect Belgium neutrality according to their war plans in 1912. The Russians took 9 MONTHS to move their Baltic fleets to Japan just to be embarassed in 1905
Who was gonna invade the US by surprise? Those examples show nothing.

I do not think that the US would ever suffer from a large scale invasion. Really for the same reasons listed above. we would see it coming from 10,000 miles away! At best if the Fedgov would to stumble significantly we could see UN type peacekeepers or some such but even that is a stretch.

More likely than not what we are seeing is the intentionally weakening of the US as th esole world power to enable the Bankers to consolidate their power. Even now Bush is giving the Fed Reserve more power over our economy which they already have near absolute control of, much in the same way Hitler drove Germany into a World War causing hardship on EVERY other civilized nation whcih in turn strengthened the Central Governemnts and Central Banks of all other Nations.

The same thing that the Bush Regine is doing now.

Also, if we were invaded we would Kick some serious Ass. Most gun owners do not just have shotguns and hunting rifles. Though all hunting rifles are from direct military lineage. Look what th eAfghanies are doing to Nato!! 4th Generation warfare trumps organized large scale military everytime. Viet-Nam, Afghanistan x 5 (Brits, French, Russia, US, Alaxander the Great) etc etc.



[edit on 29-3-2008 by Tinhatman]



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:37 AM
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Yes that is me....


bunch of disorgansized Americans with limited munitions and training would stand much of chance as a whole.


You don't know all of my friends...


While I may work for "The Man", never doubt my allegiance to my Country first my friend.. Remember, "God Country Corp"

I, and many like me, are armed and prepared to fight a prolonged conflict if the need ever arises. I have always felt that was my duty as a good American. It is something I have prepared for ever since the Marines and there are MANY people like me.

Also don't fall for the "hype" again of people refusing orders, whether it is Iran, Iraq or Canada (Sorry Intrepid).. The numbers are NOT significant at all. The majority, VAST, 99.9999% of the United States Military will follow orders, period... Look at the numbers of reenlistments to go back to Iraq...

You have to look past all the negative news reports that either have an agenda or just understand that negativity sells news...

This is not much of a headline...

TROOPS FOLLOW ORDERS IN MILITARY

As for disorganization.. Well, you may believe that, but understand an invasion would not only have to deal with me, but my entire team and the thousands of teams just like ours... Neither disorganized or poorly armed...
(That is why I posted that pic)

I'm telling you that any invasion would be UN-pleasantly surprised...

Again, look at the numbers and ignore the hype and reports from people that obviously have an agenda; especially here during election time....

Semper



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:48 AM
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There are only two differences between the Nazi campaign under Hitler and the actions of the Bush/Cheney/Homeland administration.

1. They have not attempted to disarm the population yet.
2. They have not abolished religion and assumed Deity.
3. Devaluation of currency has not occurred.


[edit on 29-3-2008 by Illahee]



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:53 AM
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There is also one component that we have not considered here yet...

Remember back a little, I'm somewhat older so I can remember many more instances, but several are recent...

Anytime the United States is going out against an opponent, we here this trash...

""US casualties will be high against the Republican Guard"", or whatever flavor of unit is present...

We heard it all as well getting off the choppers in Lebanon and Panama... BS.....

Unless you strap a bomb on your 5 year old, or put a bomb in a ditch, you wont defeat the United States Soldier.. (Well the Marine anyway..
:lol


I can say this with complete confidence as our recent victories have been swift and significant...

Yet it is a perfect example of the Hype I keep referencing.. One can SAY anything and links to NEWS sites are hardly factual representations for the very same reasons I covered in the previous posting.. Selling news...

In Lebanon and Panama we went in and took care of business; swift and sure with very limited casualties. The same can not be said about our opponents.

Same in Iraq and Afghanistan...

Now the fact we are still there and incurring casualties as a result of their propensity toward cowardly acts, is again another topic for another thread..

Semper



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:55 AM
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A propos of this thread, I must encourage all to read Naomi Wolf's seminal work on the Nazi rise to power and the tactics of the Bush/Cheney government:The End of America: A Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot

One can get the gist of her presentation from this video on YouTube:

www.youtube.com...



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:58 AM
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Our gun control laws mimic Nazi Germany's prior to 1938. After 1938 only the Jews and other "undesirable" groups were disarmed. Seriously, our control laws are almost an exact reprint otherwise. Hitler did not disarm the common German, only required them to register their firearms with the Government. He only disarmed the people in Nations he conquered.

Currency has been devalued. The dollar is down to it's lowest point ever.

Government is our new religion. No one is willing to admit it. Who do the people turn to when in time of crisis? God or Fedgov? I do not see anyone begging the Church to bail them out of their adjustable rate mortgage.

[edit on 29-3-2008 by Tinhatman]



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 09:00 AM
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Just a clarification to better understand what you all are really talking about....

You people keep referencing "Bush and Cheney" surely you are not falling for the complete BS about there not being an election or other such garbage in other threads?????


You also DO KNOW that "they" are out of office in what, 9 months?

Now I may accept some far fetched idea of the NWO or some other such fantasy as worthy of an intellectual conversation, but that is stretching it VERY thin...The idea of a Bush Cheney "Take Over" before then is well...... I think Garbage is the best analogy...

Semper



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 09:06 AM
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I think most of us mean the Government in General. Hitler was not the only fascist in the Nazi government and neither are Bush/Cheney in ours. Our whole system of government under it's current guise is by defintion fascist. If not fascist than no doubt Corpratist. Bush/Cheney are just the faces being worn by Levithan. Do you think Osama or Insane errr.. sorry, McCain will be any different.

I don't know about th eNWO but it does not take much to see that the "two party" system in the US is a sham to convince the common Prols that we are not being ruled by a small priveledged class of Bankers and descendants from European Royalty.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
You also DO KNOW that "they" are out of office in what, 9 months?


All that is necessary is another 9/11 type event and there will be no elections and Bush/Cheney stay in power. Under the Continuity of Government documents and whatever hidden provisions are in NSPD 51 President Bush is the sole authority to make a determination on the nature of crisis that merits a suspension of your current system of government in favour of direct rule by your Executive Branch. The Decider will decide.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 09:07 AM
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Also, while I know that some places are different, I only own a couple of "Registered" weapons... The ones issued to me by my Department...

All of my other weapons were purchased from other individuals as I HATE buying anything new...

Several were handed down to me by people now deceased.. "Try and track them"...


Invade the U.S.?????

Yeah, "BRING IT ON!!!!" (Courtesy of Family Guy)

Semper



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
Invade the U.S.?????


Your nation has already been invaded. They are called "undocumented Mexican nationals" a.k.a. 'illegal aliens'.

With your President keeping the US/Mexican border wide open, there is no telling what or who has already entered your country.

It is not necessary for the government to seize your weapons -- especially if you live in a city. All they need to do is follow the script for the Jericho television series and nuke your 23 largest cities.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 09:32 AM
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I know this doesnt mean anything coming from me but i'll say it anyway


I understand you, Semper, i know your dedication and your hard work, i am married to a former Marine, so i know what you stand for, you are the best and always ready to fight for your countrys honor. We have the albums here, the top secret clearances, the old uniforms, the medals and the pictures of the buddys of the war. The few, the Proud, the Marines.
There is no doubt whatsoever what is in your heart, God bless you.

I see everything deteriorating, i have read about the Bush family (similar to the Kennedy family in sleazy deals) I read about how Nazi Germany was handled, how Hitler brought down buildings, how he told everyone they were in immediate threat, the terrorists were after them, the fearmongering that ensued, and just about everything, bang, bang, bang, that followed is exactly what is happening to us here.
(Hitler) had a huge following of people on his side and he managed to convince the majority he was taking care of them. Needless to say, the ending wasnt pretty, the only advantage was there were no nuclear weapons.
Now, with the technology we have, it could get much much uglier.

I dont really think you can blame people for at least questioning Bush's and Cheneys actions and making comparisons and people posting here and being crazed with anxiety and anger over everything that is going on.
Such as myself.
I dont like talking bad about my country but right at the moment there is nothing good to say.
Where are we going with this deadly duo in Washington?
Surely you have your days when you wake up and question something?
Maybe due to the nature of your job you are not free to say anything that bothers you, but certainly, Semper, i know you're a good man and i know you're not dumb.


Its ok to question government. They, until recently were supposed to work for us, and all signs point to the fact that that is not true in this case.
They are taking care of the big corporations and they have said the Constitution is just a piece of paper.

Do you feel an obligation towards the protection of US citizens or do you feel your loyalty is only to the government?
Or do you still think they'reboth the same?

God bless you, i know you'd take to the streets in your good looking riot gear and wipe out enemies in order to protect Americans in a heart beat in case of an invasion.
So would my husband- I admire that very much, but just when and at what point and what would it take for you guys to admit there is something wrong with this government?
Do you honestly not see any flaws with Bush?


Anyway, i'm sorry, i'm just thinking outloud, i'd erase this but what the heck, here goes..

Thank you for protecting ME and my family.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 09:33 AM
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The whole invasion idea:

What better way to not have to sick your own military on thier own families.

Something to think about.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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The whole idea of applying the same (pathetic) tactics like those implemented in Iraq to Iran would be absurd. There's no-one pushing for a full-scale invasion of Iran, no one with importance anyway. Iran, as it is now is already divided from within. There is much turmoil in regards to cultural differences. What the U.S. should attempt is to undo what that idiot Carter did.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 10:37 AM
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I Ignore this threat for a while, but I was wrong. Very good points from many who has post here! History is the lesson, where we all should concentrate.

I see that there is much similarity, but very many differences too. Time is not same, teachings from history are much difference. We, and our rulers, has learned from past, and that is why history, when it repeats itself, it comes out as same, but in totally different angle and form than we expect: Ying and Yang.

USA vs Germany: Form has totally changed, but means are all the same.

My favorite Issue has always been history of II WW. If i start to talk from this with people, my wife will left the place after hours of waiting. There is no end for talks, and in my listening for good arguments. I will not begin now any lecture, but I will answer all the future talks... I really try to keep my writings in some scale.

I have spend my life in Noble family, who has earned great fortunes from Kings in the past. I have lived in Big Estate buildings, with great land areas. Its a high ground to look to history, and when you follow the family knowledge from the past, to present day, you will find connections, and relationship between old issues, witch has stayed to the present time, but so many times those has change their forms, and usually to opposite from its first. But means has stand all the way.

Nobles are nobles, even today. They own corporations, and they have make them in beginning. Its totally different system with brokers between nobles, because they really know. They are the real brokers with great fortunes, and inside knowledge from future movings. They never loose.

They dont thake great risks, because they guard old fortunes witch are made to last, like their family names and bloodlines. Borning to an old and respected family its whole another ball game. I see my self as artist, I dont belong to them, but I not see my self as public either. I have put my self between these totally different groups, who are playing in this game, we call Christian Nations.

When we look to royals and nobles, we see power structures grown, and collapse. We see Germans, Russians, Rome, Spain, France... All make and financed by nobles, guarded by Pope. When we look to USA, we find nobles running the show, old bloodlines in head of state. But now I come to my greatest point between all those imperiums.

Nobles has no homeland, like public has. Their bloodlines, like my family, they are 100% international in their blood. They own the planet, and that is really is their point of view, when flying in Privat jets and crusading with luxury yahts. Making imperium somewhere, is only concentrated place for their future progress, in higher, international level what they present with their corporations and multinational ownerships.

USA has developed great guns and vechiles, witch has been used, and will be used to drive their global interests in future. Nazi Germany developed also the best guns that time, and those guns are mainly still used today. Public, question that who carry the guns? Its meaningless in this big picture, what we see today as Illuminati and NWO.

US Army is placed far away from its homeland, and that has a good reason too. Its much too lethal to leave to US public hands. Its also full of mercenary as its soldiers, because its too dangerous to give to hands of public. Most lethal weapons are used by their best soldiers, and yes, they obey their orders.

I just say that dont expect, that if its time to change the center of worlds development, and take it away from US, dont wait that those guns will protect US public... No. It keeps it stance in international, Noble playing field. Like I have quoted before, "Order is, still stands" By Dick Cheney.

Nobles in Germany was in head of state when Nazi germany was builded. Many of those family boys died for their family, and their cause, but they keep their fortunes after the war, and their lands too. Those who suffer from the next great plan, witch was cold war, gets their future rewards from new investments in developing world. Many German nobles was warned from future changes, and they still do own the greatest assets in South America.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by Illahee
There are only two differences between the Nazi campaign under Hitler and the actions of the Bush/Cheney/Homeland administration.

1. They have not attempted to disarm the population yet.
2. They have not abolished religion and assumed Deity.
3. Devaluation of currency has not occurred.


LOL that's three but let's look at them anyway:

1) We have gun control on the Supreme Court docket, so let's wait and see...

2. No, but they've put in place a mentality of fear and massive media manipulation.

3. Oh yes it has, and it's ongoing. The dollar has lost about 1/4 of its value against major currencies in the past year, and all indications are this will only continue.



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