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The Norad Stand Down in 2 Minutes

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posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 09:29 PM
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georgewashington.blogspot.com...

NORAD, responsible for intercepting errant aircraft over the U.S., has a standard operating procedure for scrambling planes for interception which takes less than 15 minutes

They did this successfully (on time) 129 times in 2000 abcnews.go.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink">and 67 times between September 2000 and June 2001.

Yet, on September 11th, they failed to do their job 4 times in a single day:

NORAD, once notified of the off-course aircraft failed to scramble jets from the nearest bases

Once airborne,interceptors failed to reach their targets because they flew at small fractions of their top speeds

Fighters that were airborne and within interception range of the deviating aircraft were not redeployed to pursue them

You might think that the military couldn't find the hijacked planes because the hijackers turned off the transponders. However, a former air traffic controller, who knows the flight corridor which the two planes which hit the Twin Towers flew "like the back of my hand" and who handled two actual hijackings says that planes can be tracked on radar even when their transponders are turned off also, listen to this interview).

Indeed, Norad's stand down on 9/11 is so blatant that Norad has given 3 entirely different versions of what happened that day. Norad's false, ever-shifting explanations were so severe that the 9/11 Commission considered recommending criminal charges for making false statements (free subscription required).


www.911blogger.com...



[edit on 28-3-2008 by IvanZana]




posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 09:39 PM
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That is right up there on my number one list of anomalies that fateful day. They can ferret russian bomber away from Alaskan coast in minutes but failed to deliver over NY city. Bolderdash.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 09:48 PM
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Yes, that plus the fact that when Bush was told of the second plane hitting the Twin Towers, he continued to read to the kiddies for 20 more minutes. In 20 minutes, if there had been a follow-up nuclear attack, every major city in the US could have been nuked!
To me, his lack of action says it all. There is no need for further proof. He knew exactly what would NOT happen.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 10:03 PM
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Which also leads to the question.....

Why would hijackers not leave from JFK to strike NEW YORK targets? Why from Logan out of Boston?

It would seem that whomever did this, knew that there would be no intercepts and decided on longer flight paths.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 03:33 AM
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Well, If they don't know that anything in wrong on board the planes, why should they try to stop them? Remember that these planes were supposed to be in the air..



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 04:22 AM
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Two things. First they deviated from their respective flight paths while ground control was pissing themselves. Second, they were long haul flights coast to coast loaded to the brim with fuel. They had a good twenty minute window to take these flights out. And they failed.
While Georgie continued reading 'The old gray goat' while the towers
burned.
You could almost see the tweety feather fly from his mouth with the 'who me' look on his face.

[edit on 29-3-2008 by jpm1602]



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Thain Esh Kelch
Well, If they don't know that anything in wrong on board the planes, why should they try to stop them? Remember that these planes were supposed to be in the air..


A small clue would have been when the transponders were turned off.

And turning off the transponders does not make them invisible. They just lose their flight ID on FAA tracking radar.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Yes, that plus the fact that when Bush was told of the second plane hitting the Twin Towers, he continued to read to the kiddies for 20 more minutes.


Which is a big probelm, why didn't the Secret Service (if we were being attacked) grab the President and get him to safety?



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by jpm1602
 

Yes, that plus the fact that when Bush was told of the second plane hitting the Twin Towers, he continued to read to the kiddies for 20 more minutes. In 20 minutes, if there had been a follow-up nuclear attack, every major city in the US could have been nuked!
To me, his lack of action says it all. There is no need for further proof. He knew exactly what would NOT happen.


Really? He kept reading for twenty minutes and this is enough proof for you that 9-11 was an inside job?

So, if your wrong on your timeline, 9-11 was not an inside job, correct?



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar

Really? He kept reading for twenty minutes and this is enough proof for you that 9-11 was an inside job?


No, but it's enough proof that GWB is not relevant as Commander in Chief.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
So, if your wrong on your timeline, 9-11 was not an inside job, correct?


OK so it was more like 8 minutes he remained in the the classroom reading "My Pet Goat", then he was wisked to another classroom at the same school where he pretended to be in control before giving a press conference at the same school. How much time do you think elapsed by then?

His trip to this school was widely known in the media as evidenced by the video of his reaction to the second play hitting the second tower.

So in answer to your question, does it really matter whether it was 20 minutes or 8 minutes he read the kids story while Americans were dying because he and his administration (and the 3 or 4 previous administrations) didn't take prior warnings seriously enough?



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by infinityoreilly
His trip to this school was widely known in the media as evidenced by the video of his reaction to the second play hitting the second tower.


Do not forget he also stated he saw the first plane hit on TV.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 11:49 AM
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Great Post OP. Starred and Flagged! Very informative and thought provoking. Keep them coming IvanZana.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
Yes, that plus the fact that when Bush was told of the second plane hitting the Twin Towers, he continued to read to the kiddies for 20 more minutes.


Which is a big probelm, why didn't the Secret Service (if we were being attacked) grab the President and get him to safety?


Isn’t there a piece of information somewhere out there that has Andy card(?) holding up a sign in the school that day (after George had been told of the first strike) stating something to the effect - "dont say anything" .. so he keeps on reading.

This may have come out of the book "Crossing the Rubicon" or the like, but it insinuates the fairly reasonable claim that it was Cheney in the bunker, using overriding Secret Service comms with his Disaster Prevention Override position to usurp poor George on that fateful day. ( I personally don’t think anybody would let George in on an operation like this)



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by scrapple
Isn’t there a piece of information somewhere out there that has Andy card


Problem is that still does not stand down normal Secret Service orders to protect the President if there is even a thought of something happening to him.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by scrapple
Isn’t there a piece of information somewhere out there that has Andy card


Problem is that still does not stand down normal Secret Service orders to protect the President if there is even a thought of something happening to him.



Yep that’s a good point.

If they were tracking inbounds as a lot of info states – the Secret Service is supposed to have direct FAA radar access (transponder ‘on’ or no transponder) - and as aides were observed to be running in asking Cheney “if the orders still stand”, then they may have simply decided to keep George secure where he was.

Once all the 'loose' traffic was accounted for - then whisk him off to secret locations. They knew it wasn’t nuclear, so they may have optional procedures unlike what we see in the movies where the president always gets rammed into the back seat and put on I-95.

Don’t get me wrong - I believe this was an inside job. And the secret service was protecting the Commander in Chief that day - down in the bunker IMHO



[edit on 29-3-2008 by scrapple]



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by scrapple
Yep that’s a good point.

If they were tracking inbounds as a lot of info states – the Secret Service is supposed to have direct FAA radar access (transponder ‘on’ or no transponder) -


The Secret Service has its own radar system for tracking planes.

www.cooperativeresearch.org...

It is reported that the US Secret Service is using an “air surveillance system” called Tigerwall. This serves to “ensure enhanced physical security at a high-value asset location by providing early warning of airborne threats.” Tigerwall “provides the Secret Service with a geographic display of aircraft activity and provides security personnel long-range camera systems to classify and identify aircraft.



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 09:07 AM
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There is sources in the Original post.

Radar can track altitude.

Anyone who says they cant obviously would like the truth in this thread to disappear.

When will these debunkers and ignorant people realize they are fighting a losing battle.



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 09:17 AM
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Primary radar CAN NOT track altitude. If it could there would be no reason to have secondary radar that uses the transponder to report altitude and other information. Primary radar uses a skin return to track and can only report speed. ATC radar is incapable of determining altitude from a skin paint. And ATC radar was what was tracking the planes.

However your OP is STILL wrong because the ONLY plane that left the transponder turned off was flight 77.


Terminal Radar Approach Control (TRACON) area radar sensor systems are utilized in the terminal area, which is typically within 50 nautical miles of the airport. These systems are comprised of two major components; Secondary Surveillance Radar (SSR) and Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR). These two methods of detecting aircraft are utilized with one rotating radar antenna which are installed at airports and remote FAA facilities across the United States. The Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR) portion of the antenna is known as non-cooperative radar because it doesn't collect any unique data about its targets. On the other hand, Secondary Surveillance Radar (SSR), utilizes cooperative equipment (a radio receiver/transmitter or transponder) located onboard aircraft to replace the conventional radar's passive reflected return signal with an active reply signal from the aircraft. This allows ATC to collect unique data about the target being tracked. In fact, the transponder that is located inside the aircraft listens for the Secondary Surveillance Radar (SSR) signal and sends out a 4 digit transponder code which is assigned by ATC. This allows the SSR antenna to receive information such as aircraft type, and changes in altitude. Both of these forms of radar are used for en-route and approach/departure control. The latest version of this equipment is called ASR-11. Some of the earlier systems, which were called ASR-7 and ASR-8, have been in service for 20 or 30 years. These older versions are analog systems and work in conjunction with a radar computer system called Automated Radar Terminal System (ARTS). The ARTS system used older monochrome displays and limited ATC to a certain level of technology. The newer ASR-11 version is considered a Digital Air Surveillance Radar (DASR).



Secondary Surveillance Radar (SSR) is identified by the ladder shaped component on the top of the radar. It provides ATC with unique information about the aircraft type and altitude. Primary Surveillance Radar (PSR) is identified by the larger half-circle shaped component on the bottom of the radar . It provides ATC with calculation of speed and position of the aircraft.
The DASR system detects an aircrafts position and weather conditions in the vicinity of civilian airfields. In fact, it can detect up to 6 layers of intensity when it comes to bad weather. The components of this new digital system are comprised of the new STARS system, which stands for Standard Terminal Automation Replacement System. STARS and ASR-11 are both manufactured by Raytheon Corporation. Since the STARS system was designed as a digital system, older analog systems have to be retrofitted with digital component upgrades in order to interface with this new component. But it's worth it. The STARS 20-by-20 inch full-color display shows aircraft positions and other flight information to the controller. The display has been specially developed for air traffic control and is exceptionally readable when viewed at close range by controllers. The displays provide information more clearly and in particular it displays details about local weather and will allow controllers to track as many as 1,350 aircraft at a time in a 60-mile radius around the airport.

atcmonitor.com...



posted on Mar, 30 2008 @ 09:43 AM
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You cant steal a caddilac. If you manage to, Onstar can decide to lock the doors, apply the brakes, call the cops, and give out gps locations.

Are you telling me on 9/11 4 airplanes were stolen at the same time the airforce was conducting live simulated hijacking exercises, plane crashes simulation into the pentagon, wtc, simulated plane crashes and terrorist attacks?

Are you telling me that it is easier to steal 4 Boeing 757's while the government is condicting actual exercises to prevent this sort of thing than stealing a caddilac equipped with onstar?\


Enough with these stupid arguments. We are not stupid no matter howmany google links you paste. like me lol.


You can throw all this jargon to confuse people out there, but the truth is, Elements of the u.s knew damn well what was going to happen.

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