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BAGHDAD (AP) -- Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's office says the Iraqi government has given residents of Basra until April 8 to turn over "heavy and medium-size weapons" in return for a reward.
Government adviser Sadiq al-Rikabi says the deadline is separate from a three-day ultimatum for gunmen in the southern town to surrender their arms and renounce violence or face harsher measures. That expires later Friday.
The move instead appears to be aimed at noncombatants who may have weapons like machine guns and grenade launchers, either for smuggling purposes or to sell to militants or criminal gangs.
It's fine with me if you don't get it. I always heard though, you should walk a mile in another man's/ woman's shoes before you judge him/her. From what I've heard Australia is a wonderful place to live, but unfortunately that all could change one day for your people as well. All it takes is for a little complacency to set in.
Originally posted by Duality
I see this sort of thinking on ATS at lot, but I still don't really get it.
Our constitution gaurantees it's citizens the right to bear arms, and it has long been a tradition for Americans to do so. It wasn't our armies that won our independence, but the combined efforts of everyday, common people who realized sometimes words are not always a sufficient response to bullets being fired at you.
So, so many countries in the world don't permit guns in homes, countries that are arguably far more democratic and politically fair/stable than the US despite all this.
If everyone around you were unarmed, a system like your would work fine. Unfortunately, criminals don't obey the law. What would you do if your home was invade by armed gunmen? You could try to overpower them, but I doubt that would work. What's to become of your family, or you for that matter?
Yet everybody is freaked out that if guns leave US homes, suddenly you'd all be powerless. Here in Australia (just using it because I live here and know it...) I'm exceedingly happy about the lack of guns.
Crime is like cancer, it spreads. If you have it in Sydney, it won't take long for it take root elsewhere. America used to be a really nice place to live at one time too. An unarmed response will not help you against a gun, all it will do is get you killed.
Full-on illegal gang war sort of stuff in Sydney aside, you don't get any school shootings here and that's just one example off the top of my head. The most you get is perhaps someone trying to stab people... and even if they do its 1-2 people before everyone runs and calls the cops/overpowers the criminal.
Not everyone in America is a gangster like you see on MTV. Many people who own guns are very responsible people. Only criminals use their firearms to commit crimes, the rest of us use them for hunting and self-defense.
You don't get the sort of opportunity you do in a country like America to spray 50 people with bullets in a few seconds and then go on to do more damage through walls, or while people are running... You get the idea.
I use my guns for hunting and to protect my family from those who do not believe I have a right to be secure in my own home from violence. I have no intention of fighting against the military, it'd be suicide to do so. I have no Johnny Rambo fantasies, and I'm sure the majority of gun owners don't either.
Why would you need guns anyway? If you're going to fight against the military, yeah you'll put up some resistance but you'll still lose, particularly in the US where the firepower is fairly ridiculous (something we seem to be told every day for no particular reason). What are the guns going to do to a few tanks and whatnot? Or hell, even the lasers mounted on humvees/jets that were just mentioned on one of these forums. Good luck!
People kill people, not guns. They're a tool just like a wrench, a screwdriver, or a butcher's knife. People can be stabbed by a knife, should we ban all knives? My guns sit under lock and key, and are bothering no one.
mean, I see that perhaps a one in a billion situation could erupt where having guns would save the day, but is having them every other day worth that? The crime in the US because of guns, or injuries etc is amazing. It's a hell of a lot easier to threaten someone with a gun than a knife...
We've spoken out, but our cries have fallen on deaf ears unfortunately. We don't like our government's expansionist policies, but there's little we can do about it. Our country has been hijacked. Hopefully you'll never feel the same sense of powerless that many of here in the USA do.
you so afraid of your government? Why aren't people in the US taking democratic, peaceful or legal actions against the government there if theres a problem? I saw almost nobody even amongst the American citizens speaking out over Bush just eating up more and more power.
It ends when the threat is removed. I'm sure Australia isn't Utopia either.
Where does the paranoia and fear end...? You speak of disarming the people, but hell you're already disarmed, controlled by fear from what I can see.
Mainly because the majority of criminals that have the nerve to invade an occupied home are armed, and intend to do you grievous bodily harm.
Originally posted by Duality
Also, LLoyd45 I can see some of what you're saying but why do you need to protect yourself or your family with weapons anyway?
Most reasonable people fear being a victim of crime. The police are too few and far between to be of any real assistance to you in an emergency. Criminals unfortunately don't wait for law enforcement to arrive before attempting to victimize you..
All of this stuff, as mentioned... frequently... seems to stem from fear and even a breakdown of systems. Where are the police? If they don't respond fast enough or help, then that is an issue to fix and improve.
No, They shouldn't, but unfortunately the police can't be everywhere all the time.
Innocent citizens shouldn't be putting themselves in the line of fire, or even harming others when there are forces in place to take care of this in a well-trained and well-coordinated manner.
I seem to remember reading about how violent crimes escalated in Australia after the government began limition gun ownership back in 1996..
Not to mention the increase in the rates of serious crimes that having easy access to guns causes...
Be that as it may, at a cost of $500 million, out of an estimated 7 million firearms (of which 2.8 million were prohibited), only 640,000 guns were surrendered to police. What has been the result? Same as in England. Like in Great Britain, crime Down Under has escalated. Twelve months after the law was implemented in 1997, there has been a 44 percent increase in armed robberies; an 8.6 percent increase in aggravated assaults; and, a 3.2 percent increase in homicides. That same year in the state of Victoria, there was a 300 percent increase in homicides committed with firearms. The following year, robberies increased almost 60 percent in South Australia. By 1999, assaults had increased in New South Wales by almost 20 percent.
Two years after the ban, there have been further increases in crime: armed robberies by 73 percent; unarmed robberies by 28 percent; kidnappings by 38 percent; assaults by 17 percent; manslaughter by 29 percent, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
And consider the fact that over the previous 25-year period, Australia had shown a steady decrease both in homicide with firearms and armed robbery --- until the ban.