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Limbaugh may have broken Ohio election laws

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posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 07:55 PM
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Limbaugh may have broken Ohio election laws


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This month's primaries in Ohio and Texas resurrected Hillary Clinton
from the political graveyard for the umpteenth time this election
season.

Conservative talker Rush Limbaugh is taking credit for Clinton's
continued presence in the race after encouraging Republican voters to
switch parties before those two big states voted March 4, and he has
called on Pennsylvania GOPers to do the same before their state votes
April 22. Limbaugh's listeners are worried about an election fraud
investigation, which could result in criminal charges for voters in at
least one Ohio county.

MSNBC host Dan Abrams says the right-wing radio host's aim is "to
subvert democracy and inject dirty tricks into the Democratic
nomination process."
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posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 07:55 PM
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Well, this takes the cake, and shows the desperation of the Democrat party. Since when is it illegal to cross-over party lines and vote for someone, if state laws permit it?

The actual law being cited, and allegedly broken, was discussed in an article in WIRED:


Ohio's revised election code includes an election falsification clause (Revised Code 3513.20), which says that if a voter who changes parties is challenged by poll workers as to the sincerity of his change of heart and also signs an affidavit stating that he supports the principles of the party to which he's changing -- when in fact he doesn't support them -- then he would be committing election falsification. Election falsification is a felony that is punishable by six to twelve months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

blog.wired.com...

Whatever happened to Free Speech? If they can't silence him with a "Fairness Doctrine", they'll try anything!

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(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 08:31 PM
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Or to encourage people to vote for someone? If that's the case, then election laws are broken everytime a political commercial comes on the TV.

No one can know how much effect his Operation Chaos, or whatever it was called, had. People say it had a lot, but really, how can we know?



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 08:56 PM
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Limbaugh has a huge credibility gap. He used to whine about drug users until he himself got caught abusing oxycodone. If anyone were to be arrested for election fraud they should make him a co-conspirator in the charges.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 09:17 PM
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Well, there is no doubt that he's trying to subvert the democratic process, and the Democratic Party's nomination process.

If a liberal commentator, say Al Franken or Michael Moore, were encouraging Democrats to switch their registration to the GOP and vote for a candidate they felt was more likely to lose, I have no doubt conservatives would be calling for their head



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 10:46 PM
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I don't think the falsification clause is enforceable. How do you prove a person is sincere when they change party allegiance before a primary? How do you prove they're not sincere?

Rush's tactics might have influenced some Republicans to vote in the Democratic primaries, but I doubt if there were enough to seriously skew the results. The polls consistently showed Hillary slightly ahead in both Pennsylvania and Ohio anyway.

IMO Rush's antics would probably be of most concern to the Obama camp. In their case it might be wise to pursue the allegations further.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 10:55 PM
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Who cares what that drug addled windbag has to say???????

Do you???

I don't!

He's just carrying water. We all know it. He knows it! Story over!

Throw that FaT *snip* in the hoose gow!






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posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 10:56 PM
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I agree that the law is virtually unenforceable.
I also doubt that all of those people that switched did it because Rush told them to. I'm sure many people had come to the same conclusion on their own.
Heck, if that law were enforced, then everyone who votes for someone that they don't like, in order to get a point across, would be breaking the law. Look at the 22% of democrats that say that if their candidate(either Obama or Hillary) doesn't get the nomination, they will vote for McCain.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 11:17 PM
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First of all, it's the Democratic Party, not the "Democrat" Party. Cut the crap.

Second, Limbaugh has zero credibility. He admitted to his entire listening audience after the 2006 election that he had, and I quote, "Carried water for candidates whose water I do not feel deserved to be carried."

He lied to you. He did it on purpose because he literally felt the good of the Republican Party trumped the good of the nation, and the lack of honor/decency/competence of certain Republican candidates, and then he came on the air to breathe a sigh of relief because candidates he did not truly support were beaten. Why support someone like that?

This came after scandals such as the aforementioned oxycontin bust, which to this date he hasn't done any time for (checking yourself into rehab doesn't count, but, he's a celebrity so the rules of mortals don't apply to him). The man who used to say drug users should be executed got caught doing drugs. Why support someone like that?

And, it also came after he got caught carrying un-prescribed Viagra on a return trip from the Dominican Republic, a well-known haven for perverts because of the open availability of child hookers. Put two and two together and the result is scum. Why support someone like that?

You're judged by the company you keep. If you support the swine Rush, well, you can figure out the rest.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 11:39 PM
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While I do not think they can enforce the Ohio election law against the thousands of people that might switch over to undermine the election, it is possible to to ensnare a small handful of high profile people. For example, it could be easy to prove the true political beliefs of somebody somebody whose political beliefs are well documented. (like a blogger, a writer who has published numerous articles about politics, a person who is a member of political groups, etc.)

I think the real issue would be the politics concerning the potential prosecution of "phony" democrats. The Democrats are eager to accept true converts and should expect to receive many genuine converts in this election cycle. If the Democrats attempt to prosecute false converts, they could end up alienating true converts.

The Republicans may also not approve of the prosecutions. They may feel that Democrats did similar things in the past and got away with it, so they too should be able to get away with it.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 12:20 AM
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You people are silly. Limbaugh is crazy, we've already known this.

Now he is encouraging people to break the law. It is a fair estimate, he is subverting democracy, but for what?

He hates McCain. Too bad Limbaugh, among other leaders today, can't put bipartisanship behind him and learn to vote based on principles.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 12:20 AM
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Honestly . . . who gives a crap?

Let people vote how they want too. If they want to screw things up, so be it.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by The Nighthawk
First of all, it's the Democratic Party, not the "Democrat" Party. Cut the crap.

Using the term "Democrat" party is a sign of contempt. That's exactly what I intended.

The rest of your post is nothing more than an ad hominem attack on Rush, and evades the issue being discussed. So I'll just ignore it.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:29 AM
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To those who say Limbaugh is subverting democracy, I ask you: how so?

The election laws provide a vehicle to jump party lines to cast a vote in the primaries. People took advantage of that law, and Rush encouraged them.

So did I, in several threads here.

How is that breaking the law?



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by xmotex
 


To those who say Limbaugh is subverting democracy, I ask you: how so?

...

How is that breaking the law?


Here's the law you quoted yourself. It seems pretty clear, for those that were challenged and signed affidavits falsely at least. For others that weren't challenged, I guess they'll get away with it.



Ohio's revised election code includes an election falsification clause (Revised Code 3513.20), which says that if a voter who changes parties is challenged by poll workers as to the sincerity of his change of heart and also signs an affidavit stating that he supports the principles of the party to which he's changing -- when in fact he doesn't support them -- then he would be committing election falsification. Election falsification is a felony that is punishable by six to twelve months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

blog.wired.com...



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 08:36 AM
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Good God, the right to vote is so essential to democracy that it must be protected from fraud! One casts a vote because they believe in either the candidate or the party platform. To do so otherwise is fraud, a crime--even if one gets away with it!
Dont' we tell children that something is wrong regardless if you get caught?


In encouraging voters to be fraudulent, Rush coldcocked Justice and sucker punched Uncle Sam.

How dare he hold voting in so little disregard, so blatant contempt! What message does that send to Iraqis? Why, for God's sake, did 4000 American soldiers die and countless Iraqis die in a war to help that country have democracy, if fair and just voting is laughed at and used in a fraudulent manner!


How can one be so little of integrity to either vote with intent to deceive or encourage others to do so?


Rush not only encouraged a criminal act, nay, more than that , he pissed on American ideals. Benedict Arnold gave away a fort, Rush wants to give away the voting system.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 08:45 AM
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Leave it to the Democrat Party to try to suppress the vote by intimidation.

The last thing we need is government interrogating you on the way you voted.

Are we going to arrest Barack Hussein Obama? There were claims that he was handing out leaflets encouraging registered Republicans to switch and vote for him?

Anyway payback is a dog's mother, how do you think Juan McCain got the Republican nomination?



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 09:18 AM
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Citizens should not confuse party politics with voting in a fraudulent manner, i.e. voting when you do not support the candidate or the party.

One "crosses party lines" to vote, when one either believes in the candidate or the party platform, not to turn the right to vote into a turn at a game.

In my family there are members from various American political parties. We exchange ideas, and there certainly have been members switching parties/voting across party lines as their beliefs change.

America should be about exchanging ideas, not voting with intent to defraud. Revenge and "payback is a bitch" are defeatist attitudes, after one has lost dignity and self-respect.
Attitudes like this keep either a person or a nation down at the bottom. America and Americans are better than that!

Discuss and exchange ideas in a civil manner, and, yes, encourage others to change their beliefs and switch parties, but don't, don't mess with my vote or the votes of all my fellow Americans, regardless of party affiliation.

Messing with voting is truly un-American, going against what this great nation stands for.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe

Originally posted by jsobecky
To those who say Limbaugh is subverting democracy, I ask you: how so?

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How is that breaking the law?


Here's the law you quoted yourself. It seems pretty clear, for those that were challenged and signed affidavits falsely at least. For others that weren't challenged, I guess they'll get away with it.

"It seems pretty clear"? To whom? You? But not to those who count.

How on earth are you ever going to prove someone's sincerity?



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 10:26 AM
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It's not clear to you that those who falsely signed affidavits broke the law you quoted? Interesting..



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