Originally posted by freighttrain



America IS under British control. Technically UK owns America through IRS.

Huh? What do you think the UK has to do with IRS?

Besides, if any foreign power owns the USA, it's certainly not England. It's China, through a multi-trillion dollar national debt.

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by freighttrain



America IS under British control. Technically UK owns America through IRS.

Huh? What do you think the UK has to do with IRS?

Besides, if any foreign power owns the USA, it's certainly not England. It's China, through a multi-trillion dollar national debt.

And Britain has a puppet Communist government in China.



Ever wonder why the "cold war" against Communism has stopped with the fall of the USSR?



The USSR was the enemy to the NWO, while China is both an asset (cheap labor) and a model society.



Ever wonder why Britain was so keen to sell opium to China in the 19th century?


TO DESTROY CHINESE SOVEREIGNTY AND INSTALL A PUPPET GOVERNMENT (Mao Zedong)




Stalin and Napoleon did NOT adhere to the Agenda, and therefore had to be defeated.



Now, Islam is enemy of the Brotherhood, and is framed for terrorism.


War on terror = War on Natural Rights and Sovereignty.

I have been reluctant to reply to this thread as I'm not certain of the OP's intentions. It appears that he/she is (at best) misinformed as to the truth about Masonry...but there could be other agenda afoot. Can't tell for sure.

At any rate, I decided to reply really only because I just bought a new laptop with wireless internet capabilities and I generally do very little in the way of actual "work" on Friday afternoons anyway. So here I sit (trying to figure this darned thing out....)

So, to answer the OP's question. I guess it's apparent by now that there are numerous Masons on this forum. Those of us who ARE Masons certainly KNOW some Masons and several who are not Masons also know a Mason or two.

My personal response is about the same as Masonic Light's. I'm a Master Mason (member in Kentucky and Missouri) Past Master of my Lodge, a York Rite (Knight Templar) Mason, 32nd Degree, K.C.C.H. in Scottish Rite (belong in Louisville, KY and St. Louis, MO) as well as a member of several appendant and invitational groups.

I've always enjoyed Masonry...even when I'm accused of atrocities by people who have no clue what I've done.

Originally posted by senrak
I have been reluctant to reply to this thread as I'm not certain of the OP's intentions. It appears that he/she is (at best) misinformed as to the truth about Masonry...but there could be other agenda afoot. Can't tell for sure.

At any rate, I decided to reply really only because I just bought a new laptop with wireless internet capabilities and I generally do very little in the way of actual "work" on Friday afternoons anyway. So here I sit (trying to figure this darned thing out....)

So, to answer the OP's question. I guess it's apparent by now that there are numerous Masons on this forum. Those of us who ARE Masons certainly KNOW some Masons and several who are not Masons also know a Mason or two.

My personal response is about the same as Masonic Light's. I'm a Master Mason (member in Kentucky and Missouri) Past Master of my Lodge, a York Rite (Knight Templar) Mason, 32nd Degree, K.C.C.H. in Scottish Rite (belong in Louisville, KY and St. Louis, MO) as well as a member of several appendant and invitational groups.

I've always enjoyed Masonry...even when I'm accused of atrocities by people who have no clue what I've done.

Wait till you get to the inner circle of the 33rd degree.



You'll be wishing you never joined!

Originally posted by thetruth777
Wait till you get to the inner circle of the 33rd degree.
You'll be wishing you never joined!

What amazes me is that Mr. (thetruth777) comes on here asking questions because he doesn't have the answers. Obviously not a freemason.

Then he goes on to be proficient to the point that he knows MORE than the freemasons themselves.

And what is this conjecture based on? "I read it on the internet".

I'll ask you Mr. thetruth777. What are you intentions with this post? To gain truth on the subject? Or is to run around like a chicken with his head cut off screaming that the sky is falling?

Originally posted by thetruth777

Wait till you get to the inner circle of the 33rd degree.



You'll be wishing you never joined!

And you know this for a fact?


If so, HOW do you know it?

Did YOU make it to the (so-called) "inner circle of the 33rd Degree?" If not, how can you be so sure.

You do realize (surely) that the 33rd Degree is part of the Scottish Rite and holds NO authority over the Grand Lodges? Nor over Master Masons (3rd Degree) Nor the York Rite (Royal Arch Masons, Royal & Select Masters, Knights Templer) Right?

Like I said, I was reluctant to even reply.

Now I know why.

As I said, you're grossly misinformed. If you'd care for factual information, any of us here would be glad to point you in the right direction. If you prefer to continue to post such unsubstantiated replies as above, well...you won't be alone.

Best,

Originally posted by senrak

Originally posted by thetruth777

Wait till you get to the inner circle of the 33rd degree.



You'll be wishing you never joined!

And you know this for a fact?


If so, HOW do you know it?

Did YOU make it to the (so-called) "inner circle of the 33rd Degree?" If not, how can you be so sure.

You do realize (surely) that the 33rd Degree is part of the Scottish Rite and holds NO authority over the Grand Lodges? Nor over Master Masons (3rd Degree) Nor the York Rite (Royal Arch Masons, Royal & Select Masters, Knights Templer) Right?

Like I said, I was reluctant to even reply.

Now I know why.

As I said, you're grossly misinformed. If you'd care for factual information, any of us here would be glad to point you in the right direction. If you prefer to continue to post such unsubstantiated replies as above, well...you won't be alone.

Best,

Most Freemasons genuinely think Freemasonry is an innocent, fundaraiser secret society.



Only the top realizes what Freemasonry truly is.




The rest (most members) think it's fun and games.




That's what they have low initiates think...

Originally posted by thetruth777
Most Freemasons genuinely think Freemasonry is an innocent, fundaraiser secret society.

Only the top realizes what Freemasonry truly is.

The rest (most members) think it's fun and games.

That's what they have low initiates think...

Uhm-hmmm. All that's been said on this site over and over (check out the archives...this isn't a new statement)

Thanks though, for totally ignoring my very direct questions. I see now for sure why you're posting all this nonsense.

Have fun.

Adios

Originally posted by thetruth777

Only the top realizes what Freemasonry truly is.

The rest (most members) think it's fun and games.

That's what they have low initiates think...

Then my great grandfather and his son, my great uncle know something that the rest of us dont? (they were/are both 33 degree masons.)

I would say again, as I mentioned earlier...
There may be people within the masons who are part of a global conspiracy...but they are not only in the masons, but in every organized religion and organization...trying to influence direction from within.

Peace

dAlen

[edit on 28-3-2008 by dAlen]

Originally posted by dk3000
It was explained to me that the higher he goes within the organization- the more money he would have access to.
...
I believe this intro was for me to help get higher up their ladder to play with bigger money because they really like him personally.

Yeah, sorry. It doesn't work like that. You can go all the way "up the ladder" in about 3 months most of the time. Some people even do it in a day. And you're not going to "access to more money" by moving from Entered Apprentice to Fellowcraft to Master Mason. Such a claim makes absolutely no sense.

Im not sure why you started this thread. I seems that you just want to argue with people about what they do. Every time someone answers one of your questions you just talk down to them and call them liars.

You should at least go into a discussion with an open mind and listen to what people have to say. Instead of just going straight to ridicule and accusing people of lying.

Originally posted by lazy1981
I'm pretty sure the guy was talking about Bush Senior. Not that I agree with his accusation at all, but isn't G. Bush Senior a Shriner? If so he wouldn't he have joined in the days when you had to be 33deg. to get into the Shriners?

Actually you never had to be a 33rd but only a 32nd to be a Shriner. And, no, George Bush is not a Mason OR a Shriner. Never has been.