reply to post by jackinthebox
I say sue, if you still can. Sue for at least $50,000. There are PLENTY of lawyers who will take this case based off of a percentage of winnings.
It's the only way you'll ever get vindication. Raja's right, we do have a legal system set up for a reason, including tort law.
How Jackinthebox got jacked-up by the police, page 9
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reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 02:21 PM by BlueRaja
reply to post by Sublime620
If one uses enough forethought, they can avoid situations where they'd have to chose to protest or not. In my day to day business, I don't ever find myself in situations where I'm being question, accosted, or otherwise dealing with the police. If I get pulled over, I comply with every request and responde politely. It hasn't always kept me from getting a ticket(though on a number of occasions it has), but it has kept me from ever being in an escalated scenario.
If one uses enough forethought, they can avoid situations where they'd have to chose to protest or not. In my day to day business, I don't ever find myself in situations where I'm being question, accosted, or otherwise dealing with the police. If I get pulled over, I comply with every request and responde politely. It hasn't always kept me from getting a ticket(though on a number of occasions it has), but it has kept me from ever being in an escalated scenario.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 02:23 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by BlueRaja
Yeahhhh, but you're probably in a different place than some people. Some areas don't really have cops out on the beat patrolling and asking tough questions.
Go live in the projects, or some other less than rich neighborhood, and then you'll see that you don't have to be guilty of anything to get harassed.
Yeahhhh, but you're probably in a different place than some people. Some areas don't really have cops out on the beat patrolling and asking tough questions.
Go live in the projects, or some other less than rich neighborhood, and then you'll see that you don't have to be guilty of anything to get harassed.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 02:23 PM by BlueRaja
reply to post by Sublime620
Oh there's plenty of lawyers that would jump at a chance to go after big pockets, if you've been wronged. That's the way to deal with police abuse- not taking matters into your own hands, and getting a beat down.
Oh there's plenty of lawyers that would jump at a chance to go after big pockets, if you've been wronged. That's the way to deal with police abuse- not taking matters into your own hands, and getting a beat down.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 02:26 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by Sublime620
I expect that a promise not to sue will be a part of the final arrangement in my criminal case. Secondly, there are no lawyers around here who will touch it, I have talked to a lot of them. Lastly, the vengeance would be swift and would exact a higher penalty than the crime already perpetrated against me. They do put people in the river around here. Even a cop years back, who was about to blow the whistle on some bad goings-on.
I expect that a promise not to sue will be a part of the final arrangement in my criminal case. Secondly, there are no lawyers around here who will touch it, I have talked to a lot of them. Lastly, the vengeance would be swift and would exact a higher penalty than the crime already perpetrated against me. They do put people in the river around here. Even a cop years back, who was about to blow the whistle on some bad goings-on.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 02:27 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by BlueRaja
Yup. And if we are getting the full story, and the jury/judge agrees that Jack's rights were violated, he will get the justice he deserves.
I do agree with you that the legal system is the best way to go. I don't think anyone should ever resist arrest or flee, but saying a low-brow comment or asking a question is fair game.
Yup. And if we are getting the full story, and the jury/judge agrees that Jack's rights were violated, he will get the justice he deserves.
I do agree with you that the legal system is the best way to go. I don't think anyone should ever resist arrest or flee, but saying a low-brow comment or asking a question is fair game.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 02:28 PM by BlueRaja
reply to post by Sublime620
Even if one lives in projects they can take measures to avoid looking suspicious. There are plenty of people in less fortunate economic conditions that don't get harassed. Why? They aren't loitering in areas frequented by drug dealers/other criminal elements, they aren't loitering at odd times of the day in unusual locations, etc.. They aren't hanging out with drug dealers/other criminal elements. It's when you look out of place from your surroundings that flags go up with the police.
Even if one lives in projects they can take measures to avoid looking suspicious. There are plenty of people in less fortunate economic conditions that don't get harassed. Why? They aren't loitering in areas frequented by drug dealers/other criminal elements, they aren't loitering at odd times of the day in unusual locations, etc.. They aren't hanging out with drug dealers/other criminal elements. It's when you look out of place from your surroundings that flags go up with the police.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 02:29 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by jackinthebox
Well don't plea it. Do you have a lawyer? Look for one. You have pictures.
Get the yellowpages out and call around. Explain your situation. Tell them you were battered by police and that you have witnesses and pictures. Let them know you are interested in a civil suit, and need defense on the criminal case.
Play the system as it should be played. Don't let the system beat you.
*Edited to add:
Most offer free consultation, especially on tort cases. Just go in, show them your case. If you have one, they'll take it. Trust me on that.
The only thing you have to lose is a few hours of your time asking.
[edit on 1-4-2008 by Sublime620]
Well don't plea it. Do you have a lawyer? Look for one. You have pictures.
Get the yellowpages out and call around. Explain your situation. Tell them you were battered by police and that you have witnesses and pictures. Let them know you are interested in a civil suit, and need defense on the criminal case.
Play the system as it should be played. Don't let the system beat you.
*Edited to add:
Most offer free consultation, especially on tort cases. Just go in, show them your case. If you have one, they'll take it. Trust me on that.
The only thing you have to lose is a few hours of your time asking.
[edit on 1-4-2008 by Sublime620]
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 02:31 PM by jackinthebox
Here's one example of the sort of things that happen in this region. You can be certain that there is a lot more to the story than what is being
reported in this newspaper.
LINK
LINK
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 03:24 PM by verylowfrequency
Originally posted by Sublime620
reply to post by verylowfrequency
Oh, so if you say a provoking statement I should be able to punch you in the face, take you to the ground, and kick you?
Nope, but if your a belligerent dick head on a power trip you might do that anyway. Thus it would be in my best interest to avoid conflict when the odds are not in my favor as laws & protections only kick in after the event.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 03:30 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by verylowfrequency
It would be in best interest. Exactly. It doesn't excuse the actions of the other.
That's the point. Perhaps he shouldn't have said what anything, but it wasn't illegal to do so. What is illegal, is committing assault and battery on that individual because of it.
It would be in best interest. Exactly. It doesn't excuse the actions of the other.
That's the point. Perhaps he shouldn't have said what anything, but it wasn't illegal to do so. What is illegal, is committing assault and battery on that individual because of it.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 05:14 PM by Sublime620
reply to post by craig732
Yeah, I don't believe that at all.
The only reason I can see that certain lawyers might not touch the case is that they don't want to hurt connections in the town. Many attorneys seem to be on a friend basis with each other. If you've ever seen them in action behind the scenes, the DA and defense attorney often joke with each other and seem to know each other personally.
Perhaps calling some out of town lawyers would be advisable?
Yeah, I don't believe that at all.
The only reason I can see that certain lawyers might not touch the case is that they don't want to hurt connections in the town. Many attorneys seem to be on a friend basis with each other. If you've ever seen them in action behind the scenes, the DA and defense attorney often joke with each other and seem to know each other personally.
Perhaps calling some out of town lawyers would be advisable?
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 10:07 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by verylowfrequency
The guy is a scumbag, but why would I get in the middle of that? He has bigger enemies in the neighborhood, that was my point in describing his circumstances. It goes beyond that as well though, which the police could clearly see for themselves. So there was no reasonable grounds to assume that I should be targeted or feared being targeted by that person.
You had originally proposed that the police may have assumed that my weapon may have had something to do with the incident. It did not, and they had no reasonable grounds to assume that it did due to factors that would preclude this person taking any action against anyone.
Once again, my knowledge of what happened to the window has already been shared with the prosecutor via my own lawyer.
The guy is a scumbag, but why would I get in the middle of that? He has bigger enemies in the neighborhood, that was my point in describing his circumstances. It goes beyond that as well though, which the police could clearly see for themselves. So there was no reasonable grounds to assume that I should be targeted or feared being targeted by that person.
You had originally proposed that the police may have assumed that my weapon may have had something to do with the incident. It did not, and they had no reasonable grounds to assume that it did due to factors that would preclude this person taking any action against anyone.
Once again, my knowledge of what happened to the window has already been shared with the prosecutor via my own lawyer.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 10:10 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by craig732
There are several reasons why I decided against a lawsuit. Are you saying that I should not have solicited legal advice in the process of making my decision?
If you didn't want to sue and hurt the town, then why go and talk to all those lawyers?
There are several reasons why I decided against a lawsuit. Are you saying that I should not have solicited legal advice in the process of making my decision?
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 10:18 PM by jackinthebox
reply to post by Sublime620
I just learned quite recently that my lawyer and the prosecuting attorney are very close personal friends. I thought of crying foul, but this might actually turn out to be good for my case the way things are done around here.
There was one firm from out of town that seemed a bit more interested, but I could not afford the travel expenses to meet at the time.
It really comes down to these two points now. First, I did not file the Notice of Claim within 90-days, to reserve my right to sue. You don't have to decide to sue within that time, but you do have to file the Notice of Claim. Secondly, I am not prepared to move out of the area that my family has lived in since the 1600's. There is no way that I would be able to stay living around here after something like that. In fact, I would have to be gone to some unknown place before the lawsuit even got underway. I do not have the means, nor the will to do so.
If you've ever seen them in action behind the scenes, the DA and defense attorney often joke with each other and seem to know each other personally.
I just learned quite recently that my lawyer and the prosecuting attorney are very close personal friends. I thought of crying foul, but this might actually turn out to be good for my case the way things are done around here.
Perhaps calling some out of town lawyers would be advisable?
There was one firm from out of town that seemed a bit more interested, but I could not afford the travel expenses to meet at the time.
It really comes down to these two points now. First, I did not file the Notice of Claim within 90-days, to reserve my right to sue. You don't have to decide to sue within that time, but you do have to file the Notice of Claim. Secondly, I am not prepared to move out of the area that my family has lived in since the 1600's. There is no way that I would be able to stay living around here after something like that. In fact, I would have to be gone to some unknown place before the lawsuit even got underway. I do not have the means, nor the will to do so.
reply posted on 2-4-2008 @ 11:51 PM by mattifikation
reply to post by ElectricUncleSam
You know, from time to time I think about trying to get a job in law enforcement, but then I read something from some guy who assumes that all cops are just here to be evil and it kinda changes my mind. I'd like to help my community, and lord knows it needs it, but with people making comments like that I'm just not sure I'm willing to open myself up to that stereotype.
And what's really funny is that 90% of you cop-haters out there would dial 911 in a heartbeat if you thought somebody was breaking into your house.
Sorry for getting off topic here Jack.
You know, from time to time I think about trying to get a job in law enforcement, but then I read something from some guy who assumes that all cops are just here to be evil and it kinda changes my mind. I'd like to help my community, and lord knows it needs it, but with people making comments like that I'm just not sure I'm willing to open myself up to that stereotype.
And what's really funny is that 90% of you cop-haters out there would dial 911 in a heartbeat if you thought somebody was breaking into your house.
Sorry for getting off topic here Jack.
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