Originally posted by jackinthebox

P.S. I can't believe, well I can really, that they hauled you off for a ticketable offense like that. Best of luck to you and your case. Unless someone has ever been in that position, they will never know what it is really like to be so utterly helpless.

Thanks. They didn't arrest me at that point. My stubbornness & stupidity of ignoring the ticket they wrote, led to a simple contact that resulted in my arrest for a FTA for that few hundred dollar ticket that required my presence in court that took a whole day each of the first two appearances I made, because It was far from home. You must make at least 3 appearances if you decide to contest their charges. Each time meant a day off work once I skipped one I was considered a full fledged criminal apparently.

So to summarize, calling 911 got me tagged & indoctrinated into their system & I nearly died because of it. Doesn't make sense, but it happened. Makes one think twice before asking for help - that's for sure. Seems both sides are treated as enemies/criminals these days.

They brought me into their game to extract revenue from me, but their loaded dice deceived them this time & now they will pay for playing with me. Everyone loses.


[edit on 30-3-2008 by verylowfrequency]

Originally posted by jackinthebox

Maybe at K-Mart they have a different training program that doesn't follow the state-mandated training curriculum?

I wouldn't know.

Do I really have to go all the way back to the first page of this thread to quote you saying that is exactly what you did when someone mentioned working as a security guard at K-mart?

I would certainly think that if you worked there, as you stated you did, you would know their training materials.

Sorry, I haven't read the thread. I'm kind of tired. I just read the OP and wanted to say:

I would sue the balls off of the city. I dare cops to ever treat me like that.

Originally posted by jackinthebox

I would certainly think that if you worked there, as you stated you did, you would know their training materials.

Again you reveal your lack of knowledge of the industry.

Hmm, I think I know quite a bit more about the industry than you realize.

The NYS Security Guard Act of 1992 requires that when you begin working at a new employer as a security guard, you are to be given a 16-hour on the job training course specific to the property you will be working at. I think the New York State Department of State, Division of Licensing Services would be intereted to know if your employer is not following these procedures.

rcwj75
1. Can you honestly say, sitting there you did NOTHING to provoke, escalate, or compound anything that occured?

Jackinthebox
Legally speaking, yes. But as I have already stated, I did in fact make a remark

No, offense Jack, but there you go. You're close enough to admitting you provoked them with that statement.

Yeah, I support you dude, because I think your an alright guy (from following your threads) and cool enough that I'd buy you a brew if you were in my town. Besides I don't like to see people get unnecessarily bullied, & I always side with the underdog.

Nevertheless as a friend I'd point out that you made several bonehead moves. The first and the one I least see eye to eye with is you performed a little vigilante action. Doesn't matter whether or not he deserved it - It was stupid & wrong. We have cops like Rcwj75 and the courts to deal with that legally.

If your going to be a vigilante, be like Zorro be stealthy. Don't be stupid & gloat.

You admit to provoking the cops, as we all suspected. I don't give a rats behind if they were in the wrong - you knew the possibilities.

Then when you had the legal ability to counter a wrong you didn't file a claim in time, so you could have put them on notice and got some mental revenge as well as financial compensation. At the very least you would have dragged them through their own system - which in itself is punishment alone even if you lose in the end.

Yeah that's one thing many don't realize, being dragged through the system these days is punishment enough in itself, just because the system believes it takes precedence above all else and cares not how much it disrupts our lives & destroys relationships both personal & professional, which is why anyone it touches has lost by being there.

Thanks for being honest even at the risk of losing some credibility here. That takes guts and is a worthy trait, Jackinthebox.

Good day & good luck


Craig72 - get off his butt, and quit digging unnecessary holes over & over. You made your point clearly enough already enough is enough unless you have something new to bash him about. We all exaggerate a bit from time to time. One shot poking at it is enough, over & over like a broken record is unreasonable. You must like blood, it seems.


[edit on 1-4-2008 by verylowfrequency]

Originally posted by Sublime620

or Rodney King:

"Yes, but Rodney was a black guy in LA on a Friday night. Clearly the cops were provoked to use their nightsticks for 5 minutes on him".


[edit on 1-4-2008 by Sublime620]

Does anyone remember what happened to the others that were in the car with Rodney King, that didn't resist arrest or attempt to attack the police?
There is a moral to that story- if you choose your battles wisely, the likelihood of becoming a statistic is greatly minimized. Our system is set up to use the court system to address grievances, not to challenge authority figures at every turn. If one's ego requires that they make a scene at every opportunity out of principle, then they can expect a higher frequency of negative attention. If on the other hand one keeps their pie hole shut, gets the names and badge numbers of LEOs that are being unprofessional, and informs their supervisors(or even the media), that's much more effective at making a point.

Originally posted by Sublime620
I just want everyone who hasn't seen the video to be clear of what Raja is defending:

At what point did I defend anything? I asked if anyone knew what happened to the others in the car- the answer being nothing. Rodney was the only one that resisted and repeatedly attacked the police, even after being tased and beaten. The outcome would've been different had he chosen a different course of action. Does this excuse the police? That's not my intent here. My intent is to cause one to reflect on cause and effect with regards to their choices. I don't ever talk smack to cops, because I know that I'll lose that battle. If they are in the wrong I deal with them through other means, when they're no longer in a position to inflict bodily harm.