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reply posted on 27-3-2008 @ 08:14 PM by jkrog08
reply to post by MrPenny





Knowing we're faulty, and having higher aspirations, may very well be a pinnacle of species evolution. We don't know different.

EXACTLY WE DONT KNOW DIFFERENT-ONE WAY OR THE OTHER,it points more towards we are not alone though.


reply posted on 27-3-2008 @ 08:55 PM by jkrog08
reply to post by SaviorComplex



Well we have more people saying we are not alone than people saying we are.Im not just talking about abductees and people who have seen UFOs either.Scientist agree that it is highly likely we are not alone.Very few people anymore think we are.Also just use logic man-do you really think in the whole universe with 70 sextillion stars at last est. that we are the only planet w/ intelligent life?I think not.


reply posted on 27-3-2008 @ 11:00 PM by may_be_true
Just for some mind gymnastics, I'd like to challenge the very premise of this thread... The concepts of "WE" and "DEVELOPED".

"WE" seem to have developed this notion that "WE" are somehow a separate entity than everything that is "NOT WE". Why refer to it as life on earth when it is the earth itself that is alive and it is the earth that is the developed entity, which has produced limitless configurations of protein combinations. The ones that could find a way to self generate and reproduce developed increasingly complex enabler bodies with increasingly complex brains to ensure the proteins survival. So who is really surviving? "WE" are simply an occurrence. A mere spark of repeatable energy configuration.

Most likely since it helps with survival, "WE" also seem to have developed a notion that we are simply not good enough. Becoming the permanent top of the food chain, and finding cleverer and cleverer ways of survival, still thinking that we have to keep "DEVELOPING" ourselves so that we can feed greater populations that is necessary to produce even more in order to feed even greater populations.... All the meanwhile, imagining a future-better version of ourselves and using it as a measuring stick to come to the conclusion that we are still not "DEVELOPED" enough.

All of it self-importance at best.... And simply and imaginary galactic carrot that we shall never taste. However "DEVELOPED" we may get, it will never be enough, and however much knowledge we may acquire and accumulate about the universe, however many life forms we may eventually encounter in our neck of the woods, it will simply re-define the meaning of "WE" for the generation of that moment. And the literal we, the readers and contributors of this site will definitely not be there to see it.


reply posted on 28-3-2008 @ 02:02 AM by TXMACHINEGUNDLR
reply to post by LoneWeasel




GREAT POST!! I have benn floating that idea around to friends for years. What if we are the "first"?? Maybe the little grey dudes with bug eyes are us a million years from now time traveling........I know I am not the first to post that, but that is my take on things.


reply posted on 28-3-2008 @ 05:30 AM by LoneWeasel
reply to post by may_be_true



Really interesting post, may_be_true - starred - the concept that feeling under-developed is a survival tactic in particular.

I accept what you say up to a point - but I think my view is that at a certain point in time evolution of life on earth changed gear when it came to humans. The origins of our existence are unquestionably the earth - but we are the only species on earth who have given themselves the tantilising possibility of changing that circumstance - we are a freak, in the sense that there is the chance we may not one day be dependent on that home world any longer.

If you take your analysis of the earth and its life as a model - whose to say that our freakishness - for want of a better word - isn't unique in the universe as a whole? In other words, what if planet-as-life-sustainer is the consistent model throughout the universe, with all life on other planets dependent on their home worlds and not evolving to challenge that dependency? What if dependency on a home world is "industry standard" for life in the universe - and what if we're the only ones who by chance of evolution have developed the possibility to extricate ourselves from our original environment?

LW


reply posted on 28-3-2008 @ 06:36 AM by LoneWeasel
Originally posted by WAKA2002
A couple of things to note.

With any development of a life form you also have to factor in the chance
of that life form developing fast enought to beat an extinction event such as asteroid strike etc.
Thats why our rapid devlopment is so important.


Thanks WAKA - I guess all I'm saying is that said chance could in fact be absolutely tiny! I suppose one could argue philosophically that it's practically impossible to have a one off event in a near infinite universe.

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that there are 5 such species in the universe. Let's play the odds some more.

Planet 1 is Earth, and us.

Two of the other planets have a dominant species much younger than us - say homo sapiens near the beginning of its evolutionary existence.

One planet has the evolutionary wherewithall - in that it has a species as intelligent and good at problem solving as we are, but lacks the raw materials to do anything about a meteor strike - it just doesn't have the energy reserves we do to escape. It probably devotes its intelligence to writing really deep poetry musing on the pointlessness of its existence...

The final planet has a species very similar to ours in terms of capabilities and intelligence, but (believe it or not) that species is genetically speaking even LESS pleasant than we are - and even more self-destructive. So its technological advances are even more geared around beating the proverbial out of one another than seeking betterment for the species as a whole....

You get what I'm driving at, I'm sure. The point is that all these odds are completely speculative. But if there are X many species in the universe that have reached our "gear", so as to speak, ie - a level of intelligence and development that allows them to combat challenges on a galactic scale (meteorites, cataclysmic events, etc) - there must be ONE of those species that is "better" overall than all the others. And so it follows that it is possible that we are that species...

LW
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