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The couple of gunsmiths I've been into here in the UK had physical security equivalent to a bank/jewellers so unless you have access to industrial
cutting gear to get into the gun-safes and are prepared to take the risk of getting caught for looting, then the only other way is to improvise and
improve on what is legally available to buy at the moment.
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reply posted on 28-3-2008 @ 12:21 PM by citizen smith
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Over-the-counter restrictions on arms purchases do have a distict advantage over the toff who relies on his goons and monogrammed over-under grouse-gun...it means you must be more resourceful, more devious, more cunning in how you you arm yourself
...if i really wanted to build an arsenal, the place i'd start would be to buy a load of fireworks for a celebration of somekind, its not like you'll have to account for all those fireworks at that particular 'celebration' actually being discharged is it now? *wink*
Over-the-counter restrictions on arms purchases do have a distict advantage over the toff who relies on his goons and monogrammed over-under grouse-gun...it means you must be more resourceful, more devious, more cunning in how you you arm yourself
...if i really wanted to build an arsenal, the place i'd start would be to buy a load of fireworks for a celebration of somekind, its not like you'll have to account for all those fireworks at that particular 'celebration' actually being discharged is it now? *wink*
reply posted on 28-3-2008 @ 01:29 PM by the way
reply to post by citizen smith
I like the way you think! In fact i seem to remember a few years ago there was a war between two rival yardie gangs for control of some turf in st. pauls here in bristol-they were using display fireworks as makeshift rocket launchers against each other and the police! If anyone is going to do this be careful as the more powerful ones are supposed to be electronically activated and can be deadly if you try to light them by flame.
I like the way you think! In fact i seem to remember a few years ago there was a war between two rival yardie gangs for control of some turf in st. pauls here in bristol-they were using display fireworks as makeshift rocket launchers against each other and the police! If anyone is going to do this be careful as the more powerful ones are supposed to be electronically activated and can be deadly if you try to light them by flame.
reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 01:25 PM by the way
reply to post by PaddyInf
Thanks for your informative post, paddy. Still a bit confused though! Are you saying i can join a club and shoot and get my licence afterwards or do i need a licence first to join? I used to shoot small bore pistol and rifle in a club in my teens (before the handgun ban) but only got in because i was invited by another member (my uncle), who vouched for me. Has it changed now?
Thanks for your informative post, paddy. Still a bit confused though! Are you saying i can join a club and shoot and get my licence afterwards or do i need a licence first to join? I used to shoot small bore pistol and rifle in a club in my teens (before the handgun ban) but only got in because i was invited by another member (my uncle), who vouched for me. Has it changed now?
reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 07:25 PM by C.H.U.D.
reply to post by the way
You can just walk in off the street. But before you can become a full member, there is a probationary period (3 months) during which time you have to be under supervision of a senior member if I remember correctly - it's been a while...
Funnily enough, I had to jump through more hoops to get my firearms license than I did for my shotgun license. The FAC came though quicker too.
On another note, regarding air guns... to get extra power without an illegal modification, just put a drop or two of gun oil into the piston chamber. When you release the piston, the oil ignites under the pressure, and your pellet will fly much faster. It's called "deselling" (sp?). You are probably breaking the law by doing this however.
You can just walk in off the street. But before you can become a full member, there is a probationary period (3 months) during which time you have to be under supervision of a senior member if I remember correctly - it's been a while...
Funnily enough, I had to jump through more hoops to get my firearms license than I did for my shotgun license. The FAC came though quicker too.
On another note, regarding air guns... to get extra power without an illegal modification, just put a drop or two of gun oil into the piston chamber. When you release the piston, the oil ignites under the pressure, and your pellet will fly much faster. It's called "deselling" (sp?). You are probably breaking the law by doing this however.
reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 09:07 PM by C.H.U.D.
reply to post by citizen smith
The oil does ignite on it's own (no spark is necessary) due to the high pressure generated by the spring/piston. Don't forget, pressure and temperature are related, so when the pressure increases, the temperature goes up enough to reach the flash point of the oil, providing you use the correct oil. Some oils (mineral based?) will not work if I remember correctly.
It's worth noting that a significant amount of noise is generated this way (not surprisingly), which could be an issue depending on your situation. One of the main advantages of air-weapons is that they are relatively silent when used in the intended way.
If you're hunting small quarry like rabbits, then you're better off not boosting your power by this method. A rifle working at the legal limit is more than sufficient to do the job, and in some cases will even result in over-penetration.
The oil does ignite on it's own (no spark is necessary) due to the high pressure generated by the spring/piston. Don't forget, pressure and temperature are related, so when the pressure increases, the temperature goes up enough to reach the flash point of the oil, providing you use the correct oil. Some oils (mineral based?) will not work if I remember correctly.
It's worth noting that a significant amount of noise is generated this way (not surprisingly), which could be an issue depending on your situation. One of the main advantages of air-weapons is that they are relatively silent when used in the intended way.
If you're hunting small quarry like rabbits, then you're better off not boosting your power by this method. A rifle working at the legal limit is more than sufficient to do the job, and in some cases will even result in over-penetration.
reply posted on 31-3-2008 @ 01:37 PM by C.H.U.D.
reply to post by citizen smith
I really couldn't say, but as you already have a chamber full of compressed air it probably wouldn't be beneficial to add further oxygen.
You could experiment with other volatile liquids/mixtures I guess, but I'd be careful if I were you... you don't want to end up with a ruptured chamber and/or possible legal issues.
If you really want more power, then it would be much better to take Paddy's advice and apply for a shotgun/firearms certificate IMHO.
I really couldn't say, but as you already have a chamber full of compressed air it probably wouldn't be beneficial to add further oxygen.
You could experiment with other volatile liquids/mixtures I guess, but I'd be careful if I were you... you don't want to end up with a ruptured chamber and/or possible legal issues.
If you really want more power, then it would be much better to take Paddy's advice and apply for a shotgun/firearms certificate IMHO.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 08:48 AM by C.H.U.D.
Originally posted by C.H.U.D.
reply to post by the way
Funnily enough, I had to jump through more hoops to get my firearms license than I did for my shotgun license. The FAC came though quicker too.
That should have read: "I had to jump through more hoops to get my shotgun license than I did for my firearms license."
I should add, that may have been because I was a regular attendee at my local rifle/pistol club, where as I had done hardly any shotgun, and was not a member of any clay pigeon shooting clubs.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 03:28 PM by citizen smith
reply to post by PaddyInf
Perhaps we should add a tag to the bottom of posts suggesting that such ideas and methods are for hypothetical discussion purposes only, and the poster does not accept legal responsibility for those who get their collars felt ifor actually applying them in practice
Perhaps we should add a tag to the bottom of posts suggesting that such ideas and methods are for hypothetical discussion purposes only, and the poster does not accept legal responsibility for those who get their collars felt ifor actually applying them in practice
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 04:00 PM by C.H.U.D.
reply to post by PaddyInf
Agreed, and I've gone out of my way to point out that doing that is illegal. To be clear, I in no way condone breaking the law, but I think it goes without saying that what we are talking about here is a survival situation where law and order has broken down and/or your life may be at stake.
Agreed, and I've gone out of my way to point out that doing that is illegal. To be clear, I in no way condone breaking the law, but I think it goes without saying that what we are talking about here is a survival situation where law and order has broken down and/or your life may be at stake.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 04:09 PM by crgintx
reply to post by PaddyInf
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Since the subject of shotguns has been broached, an option for bigger game with any smooth bore arm(shot guns) would be a diabolo shaped slug(airgun pellet shape) into reloads. We tried some in a Brown Bess replica arm and the difference was astonishing as compared to patch and ball. Kill zone(9" pie plate) hits at 70 yards were easy under light wind conditions. Under 40 yards, buck-and-ball is as devastating as any pistol caliber sub-gun fire( with the possible exception of .45 ACP).
For survival purposes only, a sub FAC legal limit precharged airgun in .177 would likely be well above the legal in.25 or larger caliber ie barrel and bolt swap. There is also an arrow firing version of the GunPower Stealth(aka AirForce Talon) that is used here in the US for hunting large game.
There's an airgun revival here in the US as many of our shooting ranges that were once miles away from urban populations are slowly being swallowed up by urban sprawl. We've had 2 closures of ranges here in Austin, Texas area within the last 10 years. Airguns are still largely unregulated in most states. Texans, at least, still see gun ownership, hunting , fishing and other traditional outdoor activities as essential parts of modern life.
When I lived in your country 12 years ago, I was astonished at the lack of interest in archery even amongst rural folk. Bowhunting in the US is a huge industry far exceeding the airgun market in size and scope. Many firearms shooters also bow hunt. I bowhunted deer for years until I decided to keep a low profile.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Since the subject of shotguns has been broached, an option for bigger game with any smooth bore arm(shot guns) would be a diabolo shaped slug(airgun pellet shape) into reloads. We tried some in a Brown Bess replica arm and the difference was astonishing as compared to patch and ball. Kill zone(9" pie plate) hits at 70 yards were easy under light wind conditions. Under 40 yards, buck-and-ball is as devastating as any pistol caliber sub-gun fire( with the possible exception of .45 ACP).
For survival purposes only, a sub FAC legal limit precharged airgun in .177 would likely be well above the legal in.25 or larger caliber ie barrel and bolt swap. There is also an arrow firing version of the GunPower Stealth(aka AirForce Talon) that is used here in the US for hunting large game.
There's an airgun revival here in the US as many of our shooting ranges that were once miles away from urban populations are slowly being swallowed up by urban sprawl. We've had 2 closures of ranges here in Austin, Texas area within the last 10 years. Airguns are still largely unregulated in most states. Texans, at least, still see gun ownership, hunting , fishing and other traditional outdoor activities as essential parts of modern life.
When I lived in your country 12 years ago, I was astonished at the lack of interest in archery even amongst rural folk. Bowhunting in the US is a huge industry far exceeding the airgun market in size and scope. Many firearms shooters also bow hunt. I bowhunted deer for years until I decided to keep a low profile.
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 04:27 PM by citizen smith
reply to post by crgintx
I had the privelige of being invited on a bow-hunt when in the 'states (Pennsylvanian Appalachians) some years ago.
Although I felt rather disgusted at other gun-hunters talking of using 'shredder' rounds or hunting with semi-auto's, my friend took down 2 adult deer per year using only a bow and broadheads. He tracked and killed with grace and respect for his prey...was a true lesson in repect for nature, the hunt, and how to kill with skill and minimal suffering
I had the privelige of being invited on a bow-hunt when in the 'states (Pennsylvanian Appalachians) some years ago.
Although I felt rather disgusted at other gun-hunters talking of using 'shredder' rounds or hunting with semi-auto's, my friend took down 2 adult deer per year using only a bow and broadheads. He tracked and killed with grace and respect for his prey...was a true lesson in repect for nature, the hunt, and how to kill with skill and minimal suffering
reply posted on 1-4-2008 @ 05:58 PM by crgintx
reply to post by citizen smith
CS, trust me when I tell you that there are just as many bone-headed bow hunters in the US as there are hunters who use semi-auto rifle with shredder bullets. Bowhunting is well suited for thick pine forests of Pennsylvania or the South Texas mesquite forests but it's a lesson in futility to try such in deserts or grasslands. Most states require controlled expansion bullets for hunting or cast lead of .40 caliber or larger. A controlled expansion bullet can be a soft point or hollowpoint bullet. These are required for hunting the exact reasons their mostly banned from warfare: they're meant to kill and not wound. IMHO Controlled expansion bullets are far more humane to use for hunting than any broadhead for archery. A well placed shot(brain pain/heart lung area) with either CE bullet or broadhead will usually result in an instant kill but opportunities for such shots are few and far between. While working on our family's cattle ranch in '89, one of the saddest moments in my hunting life was when I stumbled across a deer that had been crippled by a just high bow shot that severed his spinal cord just above and behind its heart lung area. It could have moved just enough for the archer to miss and then drug itself into the nigh impenetrable South Texas white thorn brush to escape before the hunter could get to it to dispatch it or any number other scenarios. I dispatched it with my carry pistol and then fired 3 shots to alert either the hunter who wounded it or any game warden nearby. The warden showed up first after about 15 minutes, thanked me and took the deer.
I've known hunters who never take a bad shot and others who can't control their buck fever when the prey is within range of an easy shot and miss the prey entirely. Hunting with a scoped semi-auto firearm won't make getting close enough to the prey any easier than with a lever or bolt action. During hunting season, animals are usually at their most alert and are hard to get. Controlled expansion bullets ensure that the bullet will impart as much energy as possible into its intended target to ensure that instantaneous kill. Until you've hunted with a firearm, don't be too quick to judge the humaneness of the hunter using one. It maybe the only practical choice for them.
CS, trust me when I tell you that there are just as many bone-headed bow hunters in the US as there are hunters who use semi-auto rifle with shredder bullets. Bowhunting is well suited for thick pine forests of Pennsylvania or the South Texas mesquite forests but it's a lesson in futility to try such in deserts or grasslands. Most states require controlled expansion bullets for hunting or cast lead of .40 caliber or larger. A controlled expansion bullet can be a soft point or hollowpoint bullet. These are required for hunting the exact reasons their mostly banned from warfare: they're meant to kill and not wound. IMHO Controlled expansion bullets are far more humane to use for hunting than any broadhead for archery. A well placed shot(brain pain/heart lung area) with either CE bullet or broadhead will usually result in an instant kill but opportunities for such shots are few and far between. While working on our family's cattle ranch in '89, one of the saddest moments in my hunting life was when I stumbled across a deer that had been crippled by a just high bow shot that severed his spinal cord just above and behind its heart lung area. It could have moved just enough for the archer to miss and then drug itself into the nigh impenetrable South Texas white thorn brush to escape before the hunter could get to it to dispatch it or any number other scenarios. I dispatched it with my carry pistol and then fired 3 shots to alert either the hunter who wounded it or any game warden nearby. The warden showed up first after about 15 minutes, thanked me and took the deer.
I've known hunters who never take a bad shot and others who can't control their buck fever when the prey is within range of an easy shot and miss the prey entirely. Hunting with a scoped semi-auto firearm won't make getting close enough to the prey any easier than with a lever or bolt action. During hunting season, animals are usually at their most alert and are hard to get. Controlled expansion bullets ensure that the bullet will impart as much energy as possible into its intended target to ensure that instantaneous kill. Until you've hunted with a firearm, don't be too quick to judge the humaneness of the hunter using one. It maybe the only practical choice for them.
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