Let's explore a different theory about 9/11 (My theory)

Greeting, I am new and this would be my first post.

With all do respect to everyone on the board...
I have to say that before I begin.

911 happened the way it happened, no conspiracy theory at all. A little about me. I am active duty Air Force and a aircraft mechanic, I specialize in Jet engine systems. I know about aircraft and engineering, I worked closely with Boeing engineers for much of the last 6 years. I also have 100 credit hours training in Mishap/Crash investigation and am on the Air force crash investigation availability list. Furthermore I have 2 years experience inside a flight operations command center. Like I said, I know what I am talking about.

First of all, Andrews is not assigned the task to protect DC. Andrews is designed to support the President and Congress. There is no active duty fighter acft at Andrews AFB. only reserve and or guard units. I do not know the specifics of flight operations that day but I do know that some existed that day and that there was confusion at the time or the hijackings, this happens more than you realize and or know. Before 911 there were NO FIGHTER UNITS ON ALERT, active duty nor reserve. No planes on the pad waiting to go. This is a fact, period. If you wanted to generate a fighter to intercept, it would take at least one hour for that acft to get airborne. Additionally Langley AFB in Virginia would have been the base tasked to scramble acft, and again no planes on alert so it would have been almost impossible to intercept the airliners. Planes eventually were scrambled, from Langley, I do believe that they were able to close on the last acft, the one that crashed in PA. However before they were able to engage the airliner crashed, in fact many in command were crying because they were confused and believed that they were the ones that brought down that plane.

Now onto the towers. During the time of construction of the twin towers. Steel manufactures did not yet have the technology of high heat resistant steel. To compensate they used a special coating to protect from heat in case of fire. The high velocity impact of a 767 surely would have caused this coasting to be ravaged thus exposing the steel. Jet fuel is like Kerosene and Diesel and have a VERY HIGH BTU OUTPUT! We use it in Jet Engines for a damn good reason. The temperatures that would have been present would have been way more than enough to cause the steel to degrade thus causing the domino effect. The explosions noted could have been a thousand different things, for example, O2 bottles carried on the plane, steam pipes expanding rapidly and exploding. There are a thousand logical things that could cause a big bang. As far as the big hole with little wreckage at the Pentagon… How many of you seen any crash sites with their own eyes??? Prob not many… This scenario happens all too often.. At high velocity, debris could be spread for miles and deep inside the earth. Also acft are made out of mostly aluminum and magnesium alloys. Magnesium burns like a flare into almost nothing and aluminum melts and burns very very easily.. Thus little debris is this impact area WITH HIGH INTENSITY FIRE.

I know that I will change hardly any minds on this site and I believe that to be sad. A closed mind is an arrogant mind.

reply to post by stanglover2008


Oh. So you investigate airplane crash scenes?

Well, what would your investigation conclude if you were investigating a 767 crash and you found a 737 engine lying in the street?

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Dear Seasalt,
I don't have the time today to read all the replies you've got so far but I do want to comment on this so I hope I'm not just repeating what others have said.
I like the way you worded your description of those events as "your theory" because most people miss the fact that the official report (like your theory) is a conspiracy theory. People conspired to do it and the explanation of events are just theory. There are some facts but the report as a whole is a theory.
I would like to point out some ambiguous terms you used in your opening thread that we all need to look at closely.

- "radical fundamentalist Muslim".
I don't like how we have come to associate this phrase with 'terrorist' or enemy. Fundamental religious beliefs I don't believe incite murder, radical behavior might but to label any religion to this event or any other crime is simply asking for dissension not only in this country but world wide.

- "The towers came down due to the fires."
This statement suggests an action that defies the laws of physics. Not just the fires causing total and complete structural failure but also the time it took for the fires to do this, the rate of the collapse, the pulverizing of all the concrete (no pancaking) and the condition of the steel during and after collapse. A fire from com. jet fuel (diesel/kerosene mix) does not have the energy to do this much damage. Again this is addressing the ambiguous statement I am not suggesting any alternative to the towers collapse just simply pointing out a fact.

- " I believe other theories are dangerous, because it sows dissent against the United States"
You may believe this but that does not make it true. I believe it is the duty of the American people to question what goes on in our country and what we are doing elsewhere. Although alternate CT's can and do get out of hand to question nothing and say nothing while our government wages war is far more dangerous.

- "Unfounded accuasations against government officials is dangerous without hardcore proof."
If there was hardcore proof then the accusations would not be unfounded would they. I agree with you that blame never solves anything it just make things worse.

- "radical Muslim extremists"
Again what exactly does this statement mean. It reminds me of hate propaganda aimed towards religion.

- "there remains a certain sect inside of the Muslim religion/Middle east that hates America, in large part because of Freedom and prosperity."
Are you sure about this? This sounds like speculation, perhaps more religious hate propaganda. I don't know, this could be true but I would rather find out for myself before I start accepting this as fact.

- "I say thank god for the patriot act."
Have you read the patriot act? Not that I have read all of it but I wouldn't thank God for it thats for sure. The one thing I have noticed pertaining to the patriot act, homeland security and our fight against terrorism is the profound effect it's having on our constitutional rights. Are the extreme steps we're taking worth the cost? What is the point of having freedom if we give it up for security? If the radical fundamentalist Muslims do in fact hate us for our freedom and prosperity and we give it up for security against them does that mean they win?

I don't believe the fires from the planes brought down the towers. This part of the theory contradicts several fundamental laws of physics. I don't believe the US government did it, as I mentioned before blame never solves anything. When we are busy focusing our attention on blaming others how can we ever find any real facts and uncover any truth? I do believe mass deception is replete around us and we all are unwittingly propagating it and also it's victim.

Mr mattifikation... Please tell me what model engine a 737 and 767 uses... Oh and when you do so, please break this down to specific owner of 737 and 767. This does matter... Diff Airlines do order diff engines... I look fwd to your response.

mattifikation.. also provide evidence of the engine and or a photo of the engine you speak of. I want to know how you know what a 737 engine is.

mattifikation.. in case you are stuck... Both Acft use a GE engines.. 737 uses, typically, a CFM 56. A 767, typically, uses a CF6-80. It is conceivable after an high impact that you may mistake the two, considering that both have very similar construction features... UNLESS!!!!!!!!! You are a specialist that know both engines VERY well.

Now, to me, that sounds like a lot of information that's already out there, and a lot of research that's already been done. Most of it is beyond the scope of this conversation.

Here, we need only consider the fact that the engine found on a street in New York City was a CFM International CFM-56. Many engineers and pilots have openly admitted that this is not a powerful enough engine for a 767, which is the type of jet this engine supposedly came from.

According to Wikipedia, engines used on this jet are:

P&W JT9D-7R4
P&W PW4000-94
GE CF6-80A
GE CF6-80C2.

They didn't find any of those engines.

They found a CFM-56.

Mr Devino.. If 98% of "terrorist" are muslim than one can say that terrorist are "fundamelist muslim" This is logic.. Somthing that science is based on...

mattifikation--- Pilots do not know # about engines.. What facts or specifics do you have that indicate that it is a CFM 56 ? Turbine Blades? Fan Blades? Fuel Control serial numbers??? This I need to know. Most components are serially controlled and most engine components are made of string and dense metal so t hey can withstand operating parameters... MOST of the time during an investigation you can find a serial number and pin point that engine and all its MX data.

mattifikation--- Pilots do not know # about engines.. What facts or specifics do you have that indicate that it is a CFM 56 ? Turbine Blades? Fan Blades? Fuel Control serial numbers??? This I need to know. Most components are serially controlled and most engine components are made of string and dense metal so t hey can withstand operating parameters... MOST of the time during an investigation you can find a serial number and pin point that engine and all its MX data.

Forgive typos, long day.


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There's your pictures.
You'll have to copy and paste, as I'm just too lazy to bother with the hyperlink business.

FYI, 98% of terrorists are not Muslim.

The Washington Post report says, “When Pape looked at the beliefs of 384 of the 462 suicide attackers, he found that 43 percent were religious and 57 percent secular. If those whose ideology he could not determine are all assumed to be religiously motivated, it brings the religious group to 52 percent. Also, 301 of the 315 suicide terrorist attacks perpetrated in the years studied were part of what Pape calls strategic campaigns designed ‘for specific political, mainly secular goals’.” source

Oh, and learn some patience. I'm watching about 4 other threads right now in addition to this one, its 2 in the morning right now, and I'm half drunk on top of that. If I'm not available to instantly gratify your desire to affirm your unwavering trust for the government, you'll just have to suck it up and find something else to do while I get around to it. M'Kay?

Oh, and for the record, other airplane mechanics have also identified it as a CFM-56. In fact, I have yet to see anyone identify it as anything other than a CFM-56, with the exception of people who just said it was a 767 engine without actually showing evidence to prove it.


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mattifikation--- With all do respect, those pictures of engines are so mangled that you cannot conclude anything.. Again, they might share GE characteristics but you could not pin point specific engine model by those pics.. You would need blade size, part numbers and serial numbers.. You obviously do not have any background in aviation. Therefore you should not conclude that our government killed 3000 innocent people before you do sound investigation and consult structural and aeronautical engineers..

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Originally posted by stanglover2008
mattifikation--- With all do respect, those pictures of engines are so mangled that you cannot conclude anything.. Again, they might share GE characteristics but you could not pin point specific engine model by those pics.. You would need blade size, part numbers and serial numbers.. You obviously do not have any background in aviation. Therefore you should not conclude that our government killed 3000 innocent people before you do sound investigation and consult structural and aeronautical engineers..

Right, because wreckage is impossible to identify unless there's a serial number on it. I'll concede I know little about aviation myself, but so far nobody's been able to draw nice little arrows all over that engine to show its similarities to anything other than a cfm-56. You, on the other hand, insist that despite having the actual job of investigating airplane wreckage, openly admit that you can't identify.. um... a picture of airplane wreckage. Go figure.

mattifikation--- THEREFORE without conclusive evidence you should not assume that OUR government killed 3000 people on purpose. If you do not have facts do not make statements of such a serious nature! Would I accuse you of murder without good fact?

Mattification…. I could not identify anything by picture alone in an investigation and if a investigator did he would be fired.. Again, you know nothing about aviation and or crash investigation… Your words are a riddle and mean nothing, you operate on BS and do not understand fact and or investigation. It is pointless to talk to you any further… Anyone else want to chime in????



P.S. Mattification.. Did you see this engine, did you see this engine in comparison to the other engine? If not, shut up….. My God!

reply to post by seasalt


And you also apparently beleive that our borders and ports are secure enough to keep terrorists out... and keep all terrorist attacks out of our country... for almost 7 years (if calling 911 a "terrorist" attack, opposed to an inside job)... but we still can't keep Mexicans from continuing to illegally cross the border...? Use your head, man... this simple fact of no terror attack in this country since 911 is proof enough that it wasn't terrorists to begin with. With the blatant incompetance in this country... top to bottom... there is no way in hell that just ONE terrorist hasn't gotten around security, one way or another, and completed an attack. If the terrorists are so hell-bent on attacking our freedom, where are they? Why hasn't there been any other attack of any magnitude? Go figure it out genius...

... but you can be damn well sure they will be coming, in full force... and soon.

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Well you are wrong........You changed my mind



Great post..........I am not a expert on metal, but after doing a little research on what you wrote, all I have too say is that my old ideas were probably wrong. Thanks for the post.

PS ....Anyday I learn a new thing is a GREAT day.


You pee in the Mods MRE...lol......Go get em!

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