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Let's explore a different theory about 9/11 (My theory)

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posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 01:14 AM
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Actually no... I think they are planning the next bigger 'attack' that may involve a nuke... and when it happens I promise not to say "I told you so"


Really, you think a nuke? I think they are going to take out the garrison dam in North Dakota with a missile. Maybe even disguised as a run away plane from Minot Air force base. Think about it, divide the country with water and take out three or four power plants and 1/3 of the power grid for the US, it would cripple the country.

[edit on 28-3-2008 by starskipper]




posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 01:31 AM
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Where'd you get that idea from? I haven't heard that one before. Is there a thread on this somewhere?

I think the next false flag attack will be more likely to involve some kind of strike on the economy. They're past the "start a bunch of wars by killing lots of people" phase now. An infrastructure attack on something like a dam would be effective, but being effective isn't really their goal; being manipulative is.

Plus, that plan jeopardizes their ability to develop the highways and other infrastructure planned for the North American Union.

If speculation is true, then the next step in their plan is to engineer the collapse of the dollar in order to introduce the Amero (and destroy China's financial leverage in the process.) Therefor I see Wall Street, a major shipping harbor or airport, or the banking industry to be the next "terrorist" target. Something that'll stop the flow of money without hurting the infrastructure.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 01:42 AM
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Originally posted by seasalt
I have listened to some of their material on youtube before and read some of their text.
It's hogwash in my opinion.
yours thankfully
John









maybe you should read and watch ALL of their material?
or will you feign disbelief or make a reply stating it would be a waste of time.
considering you have wasted my time to read your apparent flame bait and spent so much time watching the hogwash the United States government has fed you, I won't be too surprised you'll avoid anything in my reply.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 01:46 AM
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Starskipper and mattifikation… You two should be locked up for insanity… @#$^%^ Nutjobs!



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 02:07 AM
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reply to post by stanglover2008
 

the name calling wasn't very nice, and the mods don't like it when you substitute for swearing

to the op sorry I went off topic



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by seasalt

Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Ok, I'll buy that ***IF*** you can give me a plausible explanation for this one.

Andrews Air Force Base is 16 miles BY CAR from the Pentagon. It is tasked with defending Washington DC in the event of attack. That is an INDISPUTABLE FACT.

How did a guy in a cave in Afghanistan get Andrews Air Force Base to stand down, and not launch fighter jets after the second tower was struck?


Dear Friend
kind regards
Andrews Air Force Base is 16 miles away.
You are correct.
What does that have to do with 9/11 and my theory?
I assume you are refering to Osama, when you ask me how a guy in a cave gets Andrews Air Force Base to stand down, and not launch fighter jets after the second tower was struck?
He didn't.
He was in Afghanistan.
The 19 hijackers assigned to that task did the job.
Osama was a key mastermind.
Yours thankfully
John


he meant why didn't the worlds so called greatest air force and rapid response system react or better said, why was it sabotaged imho.

(9/11 norad is swamped with civilian plane hijacking training excercizes when 4 planes just happen to be hijacked for real, norad fails horribly. (even shooting down the hijacked planes after the frst wtc hit would have been the correct option, it was a situation that called for the lesser of 2 evil's approach, 200 people on aplane dead is less bad then 200 people on the plane plus a 3000 on the ground dead.

7/7 Britisch security and rescue teams are staging bomb scenario's for training in the subway of london real bombs just happen to go off, again the training becomes reallife confusion severely hampers unit response and efficiency.)

The theory that holds the most merit without agreeing with the official story and has pretext in united states history:

-laden & co pan wtc month and months before september.
-they find that notebook containing airplane suicide attack plans in asia, not sure maybe fillipines? would have to look it up.

-next to all the stuff about it made public the details of the plans were not.

-osama changed his timetable likely after the laptop find.

-At least 2 weeks prior to 9/11, intelligence learns the date and time of the planned attack.

-Mouths are kept shut, certain people are warned not to work in the wtc that day.

-security inside the wtc is diminished (bomb sniffing dogs removed amongst other things)

-the wtc is willingly sacrificed to a terror attack that was known about long in advance, not tomention all the talks high on up about needing a new pearl harbor (the pretext, australia warned the us about spotting the japanese fleet steamng to hawaii a week! prior to pearl harbor, (not to mention they forced japan to react with their suffocating embargo on them despite saying "we're neutral".)

The point is, the world is a stage and before you know it you are suckered into following the wrong guy sort to speak.

take the pearl harbor example, america wanted to get in on the war (profit) but the people didn't.
They needed something big and something that would make america look like the victim and japan like the aggressor to get the people steamed up.
They started trade embargo's against japan despite maintaining neutrality (illegal, as it's a contradiction) eventually forcing japan to react.

Japan chose the only possible tactic with the surprise attack, can't blame them when you are up aganst such a military behemoth as the usa you need something extra, surprise e.g.

They received several warnings of intelligence, when the fleet left japan (target unknown), when australia saw the fleet a week before ph steaming on a direct course to hawaii (safe to say target definately known now)
A japanese sub was spotted on that morning a while before they were attacked. And yet despite all this warning, america was caught "completely by surprise" *makes innocent face*



this is not an attack on america anyway, just saying above is politics, economics and powerstruggling without "pink glass" media (not sure if it applies in english, there'sa saying in dutch about looking at the world through pink glasses)
But what I do want to say is that these kinds of manipulation of the people, history and other countries are tactics that have been used by people in power since the days of the pharao's, rome, even in the moronic downtrotten middle ages. As we progress they don't change, the tactics just get more advanced. Morals is a semi fictitious word when politicians, emperors and bankers & businessmagnats are involved.

it's the same everywhere so this is not a hatemail towards the usa (not that I would mistake a country for the persons that just happen to be in charge)
Take the E.U.france and holland voted no for a EU consitution.
Now they have changed the language a bit, called it a treaty and now they don't have to give us a referendum in their second attempt to get it through.
so we are getting it anyway on jan 1st, 2009 unless the irish vote no as they are the only ones where they couldn't get passed their still very independent courts.
How often do you think this "treaty" has been featured on tv? It changes so much for everone in a eu member state.
it goes so far as to influence sovereignty and our respective consitutions.
I haven't seen it at all on tv here, just the crap about wilder's movie Fitna (crap movie just saw it yesterday)
So ony the well informed are even aware of the undemocratic power changes in the EU.

My point is don't believe any story just as is. neither the conspiracy theories nor the official story.
Another good idea is to simply look at who had what to gain.

To me its al just funny or sad depends on mymood, the whole world not just america, like I said this stuff happens everywhere.

take america's stance on spreading democracy, they will spread it to everyone regardless if you want it or not (that's not very democratic is it? lol)to me stufflike that is just funny, humans are naturally insane


anyway it ultimately comes down to 120 global leaders, banking leaders, media conglomorates and big business tycoons having a public but secret meeting annually to prvately chit chat about what they want to do with europe and america with bankers at top of the foodchain



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 05:29 AM
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guys, we had this over and over again.
please, dont get fooled by the paid disinformers.the OP has to do his homework and do research on the themes.
how many threads like this do we need?
the obvious porpose is to exhaust the real discussions to death..and to distract
readers.


cheers



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 09:00 AM
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George Bush planned the attacks with the help of the BIn Ladens (owners of the Carlyle Group- manufacturers of Arms for the US Army). Both Bush and the Bin Ladens are getting shamefully wealthy off the deaths caused by this Iraqi War. The attacks on September 11 were necessary so that Bush and the Bin Ladens (escorted out of the country on a day no one else could fly anywhere) could have a war to make some money on. End of subject. ALl else is just food for the fools. This war and the September 11 attacks were all part of a plan to make certain people rich and more powerful. Open you foolish eyes and see the greed that exists.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 09:54 AM
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Dear Seasalt (aka John McCain)

If you are sincere and truly want to understand why we "truthers" believe as we do, I can only recommend that you visit Architects and Engineers for 911 truth and Patriots Question 911.
Study up on what the experts are saying.

You should also try reading David Ray Griffin's book: "Debunking 911 Debunking". Check out his other books as well.
Webster Tarpley has a book that covers more of the political side, called 9-11 Synthetic Terror you can buy it or download it in pdf format for free.

Governments have always fallen victim to the will of evil men. America is no different.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by Smack
Dear Seasalt (aka John McCain)



You nailed that one.


Referring back to the very first post, a smug attitude like that does nothing but infuriate the rest of us and generally waste our time.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 12:15 PM
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You guys need infuriated! BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL IN DREAM LAND AND AR WRONG! If you read all the post that oppose your *SNIP* view you would clearly see that you have no evidence and or fact. All of us that oppose your *SNIP* idea have clearly given you facts that dispute your claim.. P.S. those that talk about Andrews obviously have no idea on what the base is and is like… Ever been there? MOSTLY CARGO AND PASSENGER PLAINS ON THIS INSTILATION AND NO ACTIVE DUTY FIGHTER ACFT.. ONLY GUARD AND RESERVE!!!! BEFORE 911 HAPPENED NO ACFT WERE ON ALERT!

Your post has been edited for civility and decorum.

Please review this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Also review this use for posting in all caps:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 28-3-2008 by NGC2736]



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 01:16 PM
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I'm a little ashamed to drive a mustang and also believe the 'official' (aka the real story) of 9/11 when you have posters like stanglover2008 being all crazy and what not.

I just wanted to offer my support to the OP as one who still buys the real story and also hasn't seen any evidence to support a conspiracy.

No I don't buy the missile hit the pentagon story. I've seen enough experts say it was an aircraft, seen the wreckage, and no evidence to the contrary.

Andrews didn't launch alert fighters.. ok, you're assuming Andrews knew what was going on? You're also assuming the world's best Air Force actually has fighters sitting ready to launch. Post-9/11 and my base doesn't have any alert fighters. Not even a fighter jet on station most of the time.

I don't buy the secondary explosions theory either. I didn't see anything to indicate other explosions. Maybe truthers are right, but I'm waiting for the evidence. You have your experts that say the fires couldn't have weakened the steel, and there are plenty of experts who disagree.

I'm not surprised that there's a conspiracy theory surrounding this event, there is one for every major event, and some minor events. I personally believe in quite a few topics that are discussed on ATS, but I am always read to acknowledge that any of them could be total fiction. That's why they remain conspiracy theories, because there's not enough evidence for them to be a real story. We're all here trying to gather enough evidence to finally prove something.

It's up to the individual to decide if they believe. Kind of like religion.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 01:52 PM
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Originally posted by Sovereign797It's up to the individual to decide if they believe. Kind of like religion.


Ah yes, believing in an "Almighty God" and believing in governments who do awful things against their own people are two completely similar things.

One of these has been proven to exist. One of them....has not.

Don't compare religion to corrupted governments. Doing that is like comparing the belief in santa claus, to believing in Evolution.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 01:58 PM
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Thought I should fill in a few details about my other two posts on this thread.
I would talk to my friend, every day, for years, and I would bring up the subject of 9-11.
I found it difficult to understand why he concistently pooh-poohed any theories I would present.
Turned out he was keeping a secret about what happened to his girlfriend.
The FBI showed up at her work, every day, for a week and a half.
They would spend a certain amount of time questioning her about transactions she made with Mohamed Attah.
The FBI had records of the transactions between them.
So, you could probubly guess that her company was not thrilled to keep her around after that.
She was involved in a way that was a normal part of her job, and she did not know Attah at all, outside of her work.
I do not know what the FBI was after, exactly, by all the questioning.
But, just the fact that they were doing it, was apparenty enough to scare off anyone else she would have tryed to get a job with.
I brought up this story because when I sat there and questioned her about her experience, I got some bad feelings about why this does not sound right, if you use the "official" version as a guideline.
I did ask what I thought were important questions and my thoughts on her answers are in my first post.
Mainly, there was nothing that happened on Monday that could have been a clue that Tuesday would be another "Day of Infany".



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 03:32 PM
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Yes, it's proven that some governments have done awful things to their people... but you didn't even try to offer proof of this in regards to 9/11.

So until you have proof, it's all just belief. I even concede that it is just my belief that the official story is true.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 04:03 PM
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Originally posted by Sovereign797
reply to post by Double Eights
 


Yes, it's proven that some governments have done awful things to their people... but you didn't even try to offer proof of this in regards to 9/11.

So until you have proof, it's all just belief. I even concede that it is just my belief that the official story is true.


This is the problem with your thinking. There is proof out there. It requires a willingness to peek outside your comfy reality bubble and challenge your worldview. In a previous post I gave links to some sites and books, that might be helpful.
The main thing you have to understand and accept, is that history and human nature, not only make a 911 false flag operation a real possibility, they make it an inevitability.
Just because it is outside the scope of your imagination, doesn't mean it didn't happen, or there is no "proof".
Belief is indeed at the root. You don't want to believe criminal elements of our own government are capable of such an act. I wish I could go back to believing that too. It would make me feel so much better if it were just 19 crazy arabs.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 04:21 PM
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video.google.com...

I just look this interview & video with Richard Gage. Nothing new to me, but very good 30 min to spend with scientific facts about collapse in 9/11... If you still think they came down like "official way"... But MUST SEE for all of us!

BTW, If somebody can really debunk these engineer guys, he will be first.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 07:30 PM
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First of all, I believe you to either be a paid agitator, or maybe the most Constitutionally ignorant person I have witnessed in quite a while.

"I believe the official story.
I believe other theories are dangerous, because it sows dissent against the United States, by HER people.
Unfounded accuasations against government officials is dangerous without hardcore proof. "

1) Believe, or don't believe, what you wish, who cares, I KNOW what a Controlled Demolition looks like.

2)The"united States IS The People, not a separate entity from them, that is BASIC KNOWLEDGE of our political system, sorry you never learned that, must have gone to a Christian Fundie school of fools. "Dangerous", but offers no specifics HOW telling the truth is dangerous. Typical propaganda tactic, take it to an elementary school, maybe you can hoodwink a few kindergardners into your nonsense. Explain WTC 7 exploding and on fire BEFORE either Tower fell to them, while you're at it, I'll bet even small children laugh in your face if you do.

3) I suppose a video of The Secretary of Transportation testifying that Cheney was informed of Flt. 77 headed directly at the Pentagon by military personnel, and LETTING IT HIT by stating "Did you hear orders to the contrary (of allowing it to hit) is "unfounded accuasations (sic)" ?

I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'm seeling, you buying?

Nice try, but we verbally ran over easy road kill that denies the Truth their own eyes see, years ago. Like you.

Stay out of the kitchen, you can't take the heat.



posted on Mar, 28 2008 @ 10:57 PM
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Whatever may have happeened on that day, the end result is still the same, a bunch of terrified Americans loseing the rights our forefathers fought and died for. Yes it was horrible but it has happened and we need to look forward and not lay blame. We also need to be vigalant and stand up for our freedoms, because they are slowley being eroded for a false sense of security from a big brother that I dont remember ever asking for. When I say false sense of security I mean that if someone wants to get us badley enough there is nothing the government can do to stop it, aside from mabey closing the border. Take responsibility for you and yours, protect your family and friends, and get to know people again like it was in the old days when people knew everyone on the block, social bonds are what we are lacking when a kid kills people at a school its because he knows very few people care if he does somthing good but everyone will know if hes a mass murderer, make strong social ties with people in your community and they feel a responsibility to it not anger twords it. And a community with close support is hard for bad guys to survive in, sure they will slip though every once in a while but it cant be avoided unless we compleetley close ourselves off from the rest of the world, and thats not what I intend to do. Get back to America people support eachother dont be scarred of eachother. The more times you walk by your neighbor or someone on the street with your head down and dont say hi, the closer the bad guys are to winning.



posted on Mar, 29 2008 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by seasalt
I believe other theories are dangerous, because it sows dissent against the United States, by HER people.


I'm confused. I thought the US of A IS the people. Are you saying we might be against ourselves? In truth, I believe that it is not that we are attacking ourselves - unless you would say that people who took over our country and attacked us, being the "Government," is "us."

Frankly, no offense to you, but I cannot believe this is a healthy reason to decide to believe the story they tell us.


Unfounded accuasations against government officials is dangerous without hardcore proof.


You tell me what you would accept as "hardcore" proof. My point is this. If we take their story, there's a whole lot of 'splanin' to do. Questions flew. Why did this weird thing happen? Oh, well, because of that. But what of that? Oh, here ya go. That's why.

If, on the other hand, you start with the supposition that it was an inside job and that we are being lied to... The only thing you need to ask is, "Who was in on it?" All those things that culminated in 9/11 make sense. There are scant few things that have been questioned that don't make sense.

So you tell me. Which would Occam choose.


I understand everyone explores theories, and as Americans we have the right to do so.
It is not the politicians fault, radical Muslim extremists hijacked 4 planes that day.


Really? I am speechless. It sounds so innocent. But can anyone really look around today and say that they haven't noticed a problem? Can this really be what I'm seeing? Really?


It is not their fault there remains a certain sect inside of the Muslim religion/Middle east that hates America, in large part because of Freedom and prosperity.


Who's fault do you think it is, if not the people involved? Do you really think that oil in the region has played no role in this?


We do not know the full story, and never will, but don't you think the experts/government officials/politicians did everything in their power AFTER 9/11 to stop another terrorist attack from happening?


You make us into victims. As it is our country, we should have all knowledge of what is being done in our names. If we demanded to see all evidence that is locked away from us in government buildings throughout this land and others... We would have enough information to go on in making decisions for our collective self.

As it stands now, our money is privately owned, and they're about to trash it. Bail out. And they are running our government. Just one example of where war spending has lead us. We have been bled dry.


You bet they did.


Ok. Here's one thing that I think should have happened if the story they're telling me is true:

I would have wanted at least 6 months of detailed forensics, by representative companies in each of the 50 states. Yup. That's one.

Instead, a small pile of debris was offered up for examination, and the rest was carted off to other lands (pretty much) to be destroyed within weeks.

There are others, but this one is crucial. What kind of behavior is that? With ships waiting, the Towers came down. Barges were near to start hauling it away. It is just one thing that if you suppose their story is true, it makes no sense. If you suppose it was an inside job.. The only question you have to ask is, "Who was involved?"


They do not need to divulge every little thing they discuss, as it's a national security risk.


"National Security" is a blinder put on us. If there were no blinders, we would see what is being done in our name - or, really, currency.


I say thank god for the patriot act.


You do that. I will pray that there are very few of those who see things as you do.


Anyway, that is my theory.
I believe in the official story.
Am I the only one left?


John seasalt,

Best of luck to you. Sad to say, but I hope you are. The fewer that cannot leave that security blanket the better.

[edit on 3/29/2008 by Amaterasu]



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