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jesus died on a pole tree stake or ONE beem of wood with no limbs
its based of off the symbol called the mystic tau look that up i cant explain it all
Originally posted by MatrixProphet
reply to post by amitheone
As I said before; the symbolic meaning behind the cross is very wicked.
The one point not one person has answered in this entire thread: would this wicked symbolism fit with the purity of Christ and the Jewish fulfillment of prophesy? Jewish law?
Would Jesus sacrifice be tainted by such a meaning related to a phallic symbol?
On the argument that so many Christians have used on this thread of which is absolutely unprovable: that the stake was in place and Jesus carried the crossbeam. There is no scriptural proof or historical information relating this to Christ! It is all supposition that many theologians had to come up with since there was so much evidence that Jesus died on a stake or a tree, without a crossbeam (in the translating of the original words).
Everyone avoids the whole Constantine invention of this theory and the inception of this theory into Christian dogma, and holy ritual. The fact that Constantine was not even a believer! That, it is debatable that he ever was converted in his heart (just a political action)!
For the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman empire, and Christians were terribly persecuted. This changed after the “conversion” of the Roman Emperor Constantine. Constantine “legalized” Christianity at the Edict of Milan in A.D. 313. Later, in A.D. 325, Constantine called together the Council of Nicea, in an attempt to unify Christianity. Constantine envisioned Christianity as a religion that could unite the Roman Empire, which at that time was beginning to fragment and divide. While this may have seemed to be a positive development for the Christian church, the results were anything but positive. Just as Constantine refused to fully embrace the Christian faith, but continued many of his pagan beliefs and practices, so the Christian church that Constantine promoted was a mixture of true Christianity and Roman paganism.
Considering that only one religion was "in charge" of how the whole cross, trinity thing came down. Then if God used Catholics to dispense this information and then make it law, why aren't all of you Catholics? So it is okay to buy into the Catholic teachings that were essentially invented by the Catholics, but you can go against God and create other religions? You accept the cross but not Catholicism?
Anyway you look at it...the cross is riddled in paganism (proven), hypocrisy and darkness. Satan got a big one over on the masses! And
Christianity on the whole - bought it; hook, line and sinker.
Originally posted by queenofangels_17
You were right, Jesus DID NOT DIE in the Cross. This is just conjecture and in no way recompense for the truth. The truth is Jesus was not crucified at all, the Cross was a Pagan invention and the true followers of Jesus did not call themselves Christian. The Apostle Paul, who was not an original disciple of Jesus made up the Son of God lie, a doctrine that Jesus never preached and with it the doctrine of salvation by Jesus' death on the Cross.
Originally posted by queenofangels_17
Search all the Holy Scriptures, The Torah, Psalms, The Holy Qur'an, The true Gospel of Jesus, and you will find that Salvation can be found only in the faith that There is Only One God and in believing all of God's prophets. Your rejection of the Prophet Muhammad is obvious, that makes you one with the covenant breakers of old time who disbelieved in God.
matt 1: And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
matt 26: For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
matt 17: And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
matt 20: Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death,
 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
mark 8: And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
mark 9:  For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
psalms 16: I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved.
 Therefore my heart is glad, and my glory rejoiceth: my flesh also shall rest in hope.
 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
 Thou wilt shew me the path of life: in thy presence is fulness of joy; at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore.
psalms 22; I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
psalms 30: O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.
 Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.
isa 53: Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
The teaching that Salvation is believing in Jesus' dying for the sin of mankind is the teaching of a false prophet. It's either you believe the truth, or you are calling Jesus a false prophet.
Originally posted by The time lord
It does not matter if the cross was once used by pagans, its never going to be the same cross as Jesus was on and made victory over it. The occult version of the star of David is not the same as the Satanic one since they both mean different things.
Originally posted by The time lord
People are not worshipping the idol of wood but the meaning behind it and if a cross is that symbol of hope then it's better to use it than to hide it and forget what it stands for.
again with the paganism, cmon now, just because there is a couple people in here that think there word is better than anyone elses doesnt mean its true, once again nothing to show me that it is paganism....absolutley nothing.
you dont celebrate christmas or easter, well good for you, keep your beliefs to yourself, if one man considers a day holy, let it be holy for him, if you dont then great, i dont oppose.
Romans 14 -
5 One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
im all for doing research, ive done alot of it as matter of fact.