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reply posted on 29-3-2008 @ 04:07 PM by Godfinder

reply to post by GoldenBuddha84

Well said GoldenBuddha clap clap.. Im relieved that someone here can think outside the box and view things in a different perspective.. I guess you pretty much tackled things that I really wanted to say in my previous posts here but didnt find the exact words to use.. And thats the essence of the videos purpose... to make one man to stop and think. To increase awareness among the people who are preoccupied in their own little happy worlds.. and that one man will be two, and then three, four, five, six, and so forth untill we reach a more open minded collective way of thinking and realization... because you are right.. it doesnt matter who is right and wrong.. because we cant really understand something completely by just looking at a single angle.. finding historical accuracy, quoting religious passages and proving theoretical science can just simply help elevate our consciousness or awareness, but this alone cant provide answers... so focusing on these matters will just stimulate more confusion that will cause us people to ask more questions. So instead of fighting amongs ourselves, we better use these aquired knowledge to help each other come up with an answer instead of blindly holding ones perspective right and claim the other wrong.. that is a complete waste of time!..WE NEED TO ACT! and the most important is "At-ONE-ment" yup you coined that one right.. at ONE.. oneness.. because we all live under the same sky.. our blood color is red even if our skin is white,black,red,yellow,brown or whatever.. there is no such thing as absolute freedom.. because we all need each other to survive.. we all breathe air.. kill other animals for food, consume plants, drink water etc.. to survive.. it is designed that way..we just need to know when enough is enough..birds will eat their fill and grab one worm or grain of seed then leave... they dont take more than what they need to consume for the moment.. Maybe the birds act like that because they understand the importance of ONENESS with their pea sized brain? What I dont understand is why do the "RATIONAL EDUCATED HUMANS" who can fly to the moon back and forth and create atomic bombs cant understand the importance of ONENESS with the big lump of meat in their heads? Cows know who their God is but we do not.. And its a real pity.Committing sins is just simply straying from gods design of oneness.. and that is what atonement is for.. to slowly guide the lost individual back to his arms.. And that is LOVE.. And if you find love and beauty in everything and everyone around you.. Then you dont need to look for God anymore.. so it really doesnt matter if the video is not 100% accurate.. proving that will not bring change to this world. Change will happen the moment we decide to stop thinking about ourselves and start to work together hand in hand to fight ignorance.. start giving out love even at the most ugly thing in the world.. your enemies.. If you only love somebody who loves you back, then where is the reward in that? The dude who said this line some thousand years ago is completely right after all..

well keep it up, I'll give you a star on this one dude..

reply posted on 29-3-2008 @ 07:25 PM by chiponbothshoulders

Yes,the secret to everything is not to know anything other than why certain things were put into your head,who put them there,and why.

A great portion of what you have learned in this life is of more use to others than it is to you,so why is it in your head?,why do you keep it there?.......

I have realised this truth for some time,but to most people,it is difficult to explain without them thinking one is nuts.

In reality,everything seeks balance.

Equilibrium is happiness.

Happiness is nothingness.

No Way!!!,it can't be that simple....

Or can it?.

reply posted on 29-3-2008 @ 08:02 PM by JanusFIN

I just look the movie with open mind and I enjoy it all the way!

I spread this forward, no doubt about that.

GOOOOOOD, GOOOOOOOD, GOOOOOOOOD. That was ATS.

reply posted on 29-3-2008 @ 08:47 PM by enchantress62

It is a facinating doccumentary and I think the collective information is right on, but I think it's important to always ask why? Why would this be the way of things? What will be gained if this is real? Who will benefit and how will they benefit? Ask, ask, ask! That's what filters out truth from speculation. After thinking about it for a couple of days and discussing it with others in my corner of the world, I can see holes all over this theory. Doesn't mean it's not a real possibility, but even the narrator said not to blindly follow this, but learn to think for ourselves. I think that's the most important thing to learn here. We should always question and question our own questions, this is the only way I can see to think outside the box.

reply posted on 29-3-2008 @ 09:02 PM by GoldenBuddha84

Originally posted by cornixman

Originally posted by GoldenBuddha84
After viewing the video, and reading the vast majority of comments, my original position of how I percieved the video changed somewhat.
Let me explain, First thoughts were definately that it was informative and touched on some sensitive global issues, with what I sensed were some credible accounts to back up the narrators statements.

reading some of the comments I began to feel as though people thought of the person having alterior motives, I did not view it in that same light, the underlying theme I picked up on throughout the movie was for us to use the initiative of our own abilities to seek out the truth for ourselves, his perception is as flawed as anyone elses might be, just as we are all entitled to our individual opinions.

So you are really a victim of Groupthink which is one of the most important points of the film for me. You initially thought the film was informative and credible but were simply swayed by other peoples opinions rather than your own personal beliefs.

you seem to have misrepresented what my point was in that valid explaination I was trying to make was, my message is for us to use our own initiative to discover what may be the truth for ourselves, this is what I saw as an underlying theme of the video. how you got caught up in thinking that it was public opinion that formed my personal belief I don't know, but certainly if anything it changed my angle of perspective. it allowed me to approoach my post with a more open-mind. I don't consider the users of ATS to be of that 80% that blindly follow to begin with, this is not a mainstream media outlet for starters, surely we here at ATS are at the forefront of discovering what TRUTHS really are and mean to us all. I hope that clears things up for you cornixman

reply posted on 29-3-2008 @ 10:38 PM by Duality

So... I'm watching this and I'm 17 minutes in.

What the hell is this about? They're so far just spamming me with 'facts', facts that I could dispute or require further checking to validate but not establishing any direction for the documentary...

Ahh ok it's getting into it a bit. It's one of those 'big bankers run the world'. Wow, I haven't seen this 500,000 times already. It's won BS points from me too for having war footage to Linkin Park! Mmmm, generic.

Let's be honest with ourselves here for a minute. How many of us (do ANY of us) know what this video is talking about? Do we have proof of all these connections? I want to see some sort of credible document listing for the facts presented in this film, not just word of mouth.

There should be a page with links to this in the description, but I'm betting that even if there was one the links would all be to nutjob sites with no evidence themselves.

Urgh. Anyway I'll try and power through this ordeal but it's fairly ridiculous.

Again, what worries me is these 'facts' being presented. The guy speaking rambles through these facts so fast you can't even question one of them. I'm not going to spend 6 hours checking up on if the Afghanistan bombing really match up with this ritual, there should be links to see that evidence.

Without evidence we really have nothing but faith here and blind faith is not my style.

Oh and for god's sake, if anyone who reads this makes conspiracy videos, please... please... PLEASE stop putting 'WAKE UP!', 'OPEN YOUR EYES' and other crap like that in them. It's so condescending and pretty much makes me want to switch any video off right there.

More to come if I keep watching it...

Edit: talismanicidols.org... has links to 'references' but they're just general conspiracy sites. Wow, if I presented this at the end of a video or essay at university my professors would be screaming.

[edit on 29/3/08 by Duality]

reply posted on 29-3-2008 @ 11:24 PM by Lowtoc

I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here... There was alot of hot air being blown. I'm not saying everything that he stated was a lie I'm just saying that he seemed to connect things loosely in a hurried attempt to make what he believed seem more plausible.

Sure if you were the average teenage Joe surfing on youtube and you stumbled across this it would probably shock and awe you. Which I'm sure is what he was going for. He miss used alot of information, and how he used it kinda of worried me. He used it to strike fear into the listener. The funny thing is after he attempted to scare you he then said we need to live in the wave length of love to fully unlock ourselves.

And on that note another thing that bothered me was that he jumped around right when you wanted him to stop and validate his claims he would then hurry off to another topic.

there was some good information in this video its really just for one to take and do with as they please.

If this were a at all scholarly or educated and were presented to a Major University it would be laughed at and dismissed not because its a conspiracy film but because there is nothing credible in it. THERE IS NO CREDIBILITY OR VALIDATION OF FACTS! its just a bunch of hot air!

sorry for the caps its just frustrating to see informations miss used and abused.

[edit on 29-3-2008 by Lowtoc]

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 01:43 AM by PimpyMcgibbins

Given the secrecy of governments..I think this story holds some water...I dont feel doomed as they want me to feel but it's a decent film to get a strong point across...The problem today is theres so much distraction...T.V., Movies, and of course non-sense news that we are flooded with on top of a job or school. Nobody has time to sit down and soak it all in.

The future is not written in stone yet, it is only being imagined...We still got some time.

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 04:35 AM by cornixman

reply to post by GoldenBuddha84

I wasn't having a dig at you GoldenBuddha, I was merely stating that you initially formed your own opinion but were then swayed in another direction just because of what other people felt. In the end you seem to have overcome this so it doesn't matter.

Personally I feel the message of the film was true to what I already believe but couldn't put into words and the bit about Groupthink is so important in the big scheme of things that I just made an observation on something you said.

I apologise if I offended you or misinterpreted what you said.

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 12:47 PM by windwaker

I am watching this video, and I am fascinated, not scared. I always knew this was going to happen, even as a teenager.

You will soon learn that there are some people that were born for this. A great war is coming, I fear. People will go to one of two sides, the dark side or the side of light.

I am not sure which one is which though.

I know about The Triangle. I've always known...It scares me, but it also fascinates me.

People will find out a lot about their true motives in the coming years. They will find out who they really are, and which side they are on.

I hope that I am not against God.

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 12:50 PM by windwaker

What I am trying to say is that real evil exists. It has nothing to do with people committing crimes or doing bad things or breaking commandments.

Evil is a way of thinking, just like being a Sith or a Jedi is. It's a species of its very own.

There are some people who are good, and some people who walk a fine line between the sides, but...

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE BORN EVIL. DEMONS DO EXIST.

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 02:04 PM by PwN3d

This video is Incredible especially the last 20 minutes those were moving,

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 02:25 PM by Godfinder

reply to post by cornixman

There you go you stood up for your self.. I'm like planning to meddle and make things clear for you guys but clearly its just a misunderstanding.. And you settled it on your own.nice... I dont have anything against anyone here ok.. Its just that I think that we guys attracted each other here in this site (ATS), yes.. attracted each other believe it or not.. for what? DENYING IGNORANCE.. we maybe standing on different levels here but we have to think, Why are we here in this site? Is it to show your unparalleled skill in debating or what? We have to stop hitting on other members that we think that they are not smart enough for us or too naive and ignorant for us because seriously you are not helping your foe or yourself. People this is not about ourselves.. being right or wrong.. We are here to help each other see things in different perspectives and not to force our own view to someone.. So there's really nothing wrong in debating or arguing.. As long as its healthy for you and specially your advesary.. Yes its true that we cant just allow ourselves to be swayed by the blind faith of the majority..But remember proving theories and finding facts is not enough.. We cant simply dismiss some idea or theory as FALSE,MISLEADING, or GARBAGE just because it didnt satisfy what YOU want to believe in.. we have to try to stop judging the credibility of something even if it doesnt offer enough evidence to support its claims..but rather try and look outside your doors and see what is happening.. Causality is absolute in the universe.. if there's a CAUSE there is an EFFECT.. so trying to figure out the cause is good.. but dont focus your attention to that but instead try to figure out what can you do about the effects too. STARVATION,POVERTY,WAR,CRIME,INEQUALITY,DISCRIMINATION etc.. what can you do about these things? when was the last time that you gave some food or a dollar to a street bum? when was the last time that you apologized to the people that you have done wrong? When was the last time that you hugged your brothers and Sisters? when was the last time that you visited and kissed your OLD parents and grand parents in a health care institution? things like that... proving someone wrong can only serve your own ego unconsciously. Thats why we have to do our own research to increase our own awareness and help other people reach this awareness too.. Because there is nothing wrong in collective consciousness as long as it is not towards idiocracy. remember that there is always strength in numbers.. But one man can also make a change.. So if we humble ourselves.. all of us will eventually reach the point of enlightenment.. utopia is not a fools dream.. we just deny its reality by not doing something about it as ONE.. and that video is trying to say that LOVE is the way.. so why dont you focus your attention to that.. Go out now and give some love to your neighbor or kiss your mom and say I love you.. If you cant do something like that then forget about fighting and DENYING IGNORANCE for a while and educate yourself more first..

One more thing Im not saying these things to you cornixman but for everyone here in ATS..I admire the fact that you cleared things out and you apologized if you offended him and I would like to take advantage of this chance to speak my mind So Everyone,I know that this is a LONG AND OFF TOPIC post and I apologize for that.. I just want to stress out the importance of why we are here in ATS because I seriously think that some people are here for the wrong reasons.. But thats what I think, you have to see things on your own. So read this.. I dont care if you agree or not..delete this post if you want.Spread the word if you agree.Im just speaking my mind.. And I hope I have that freedom here. So ask yourself....How can I possibly solve the RUBIX CUBE if I will only look at it on ONE SIDE?

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 02:31 PM by Tomis_Nexis

Originally posted by Vimes
You know, watching this makes me realize that perhaps dying isn't such a bad thing...

It's another part of life, nothing bad about it at all. Compared to this world...not bad at all really. We can do what we do here, it's only 60-70 years.

[edit on 30-3-2008 by Tomis_Nexis]

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 02:45 PM by Bspiracy

Originally posted by windwaker
People will go to one of two sides, the dark side or the side of light.
I am not sure which one is which though.
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I hope that I am not against God.

don't be so bleak, The dark side compliments the light side. If for some reason, you choose the dark side then so be it. That is the power of free will in all it's glory.

Where you gravitate with personal convictions will determine what is dark or light.
Either way is valid. One is considered good in the long run and I guarantee we'll meet there sometime.

Best wishes for 2012 :\

b

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 03:29 PM by watchZEITGEISTnow

reply to post by cashlink

Awesome video, it is amazing we are now getting more and more exposure of what the NWO and illuminati agenda is...

Bravo!

watchZEITGEISTnow

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 05:53 PM by Brothers

reply to post by Karlhungis

I agree. Most informative vid. Liked the last 45 minutes as the previous minutes was depressing .Nevertheless, I liked it. Thank you for sharing.

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 06:26 PM by cornixman

It may yet apply as far as maritime law goes, but here in the states, you are not owned by the US government because of capital letters. You do have to pay taxes if you have income.

Having looked into one small piece of the video and found it to be at the very least, misleading, you have to wonder if any of it is true at all, or if they made it for fun, or for disinfo.

Maritime law apparently applies globally so it doesn't matter what country you are in.

This Jordan Maxwell / Jason Whitney video has more information.

reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 09:51 PM by Tybrus

I must admit that after watching that video I spent about an hour just thinking about some of the things that were said. The city I used to live in for the first 20 years of my life used flouride in the water and when I moved to where I am now I noticed an actual difference in my activity levels. I thought it was just the clean country air but maybe it was the flouride.
I also find it hard to swallow that all the worlds leaders are related or part of the original 13 bloodlines. If that is the case and all past presidents were as well then it should be fairly easy to predict the winner of the upcoming election by simply tracing the candidates family trees. I mean come on.
All in all I enjoyed the flick but if I had the time I would definitely check a lot of the things said to see if they are factual.

reply posted on 31-3-2008 @ 12:15 AM by Mansquito

Great Video! Worth watching in full.

Thought provoking with many parallels to the basics of Christianity - especially the Love VS Fear concept. I liked the cross referencing included and many of the startling points. Interesting as well as very, very disturbing. It's one of the best videos I've seen in a while.