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Engineer Society Accused of 911 Cover-Ups

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posted on Mar, 25 2008 @ 07:36 PM
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By CAIN BURDEAU – 45 minutes ago

NEW ORLEANS (AP) — The professional organization for engineers who build the nation's roads, dams and bridges has been accused by fellow engineers of covering up catastrophic design flaws while investigating national disasters.

After the 2001 attack on the World Trade Center and the levee failures caused by Hurricane Katrina in 2005, the federal government paid the American Society of Civil Engineers to investigate what went wrong.

Critics now accuse the group of covering up engineering mistakes, downplaying the need to alter building standards, and using the investigations to protect engineers and government agencies from lawsuits.

...In the World Trade Center case, critics contend the engineering society wrongly concluded skyscrapers cannot withstand getting hit by airplanes. In the hurricane investigation, it was accused of suggesting that the power of the storm was as big a problem as the poorly designed levees.

...Seed accused the engineering society and the Army Corps of collusion, writing an Oct. 20 letter alleging that the two organizations worked together "to promulgate misleading studies and statements, to subvert appropriate independent investigations ... to literally attempt to change some of the critical apparent answers regarding lessons to be learned."

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Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, a structural engineer and forensics expert, contends his computer simulations disprove the society's findings that skyscrapers could not be designed to withstand the impact of a jetliner.

Astaneh-Asl, who received money from the National Science Foundation to investigate the collapse, insisted most New York skyscrapers built with traditional designs would survive such an impact and prevent the kind of fires that brought down the twin towers.

He also questioned the makeup of the society's investigation team. On the team were the wife of the trade center's structural engineer and a representative of the buildings' original design team.

"I call this moral corruption," said Astaneh-Asl, who is on the faculty at the University of California, Berkeley.


Link to the original ap.google.com...

[edit by Cuhail to fix ext. tags]

[edit on 3/25/2008 by Cuhail]




posted on Mar, 25 2008 @ 10:09 PM
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Always remember..... Debunkers get their information from this 'morally corrupted' source.

No, really?



posted on Mar, 25 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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Engineers are low level paid workers for the Illuminati.

Take it from Tesla on how they work.

They make weasel words to cover what they don't know or what they
are not supposed to know.


The CIA is the main source of science copy that won't help a stitch in
any energy solution. Even present day solutions are suppressed.


The hidden science dictatorship....



posted on Mar, 25 2008 @ 11:25 PM
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Star and flag this!

This is an Associated Press article saying that some engineers are basically whistle blowing on fellow ASCE members intentionally publishing misleading studies.

Why?



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 01:27 AM
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What this article is pointing out is the fact that many federal agencies and professional societies charged with scientic and technical oversight have become politicized.

There are so many examples of this type of corruption. One that comes immediately to mind is having Michael Chertoff head the 911 Commission investigation. All info presented to the commission was filtered through Chertoff. A man not qualifed for that responsibility.

The professional class is extremely vulnerable to both indoctrination and professional coercion. It's great the criticism come from one of their own!



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 06:02 AM
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The panel is expected to issue a report by the end of April and may recommend that the society stop taking money from government agencies for disaster investigations.


Here we have a major scandal, with a panel already convened to investigate the ASCE selling its name to rubber-stamp lies about the WTC and the New Orleans levee system.

And if you want to read one of these fine ASCE reports, you'll need to pay $100 to get access to them.

And one hears endlessly on these boards about the corrupt practice of truther sites selling books and dvds.


Here are some other choice tidbits from the debunker's toolkit: one cooked study supports the other, and smear the messenger:


Corley said the society's study was peer-reviewed and its credibility was upheld by follow-up studies, including one by the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

"I hope someone looks into the people making the accusations," Corley said. "That's a sordid tale."


[edit on 26-3-2008 by gottago]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by bsbray11
Star and flag this!

This is an Associated Press article saying that some engineers are basically whistle blowing on fellow ASCE members intentionally publishing misleading studies.

Why?


It's pretty big for sure. Finally, the engineering community is speaking out. Starred and flagged.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 08:16 AM
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I agree, why now? This has been apparent for at least 7 years since 9/11, yet why does it make the news now? Its like this Barak Obama pastor thing. He has been a senator and in politics for a while, why does it come out now? Desperation on the behalf of the illuminati. A scandal is garunteed to come out if you get too close. They want Hilary. Hilary fired a staff member for racist comments, then the Obama thing comes out just days later.

This seems like a gimmick or media ploy for some new propaganda. The problem is engineers are corrupt, the reaction is we feel like we're being lied to, but whats the solution?



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 09:58 AM
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Starred and flagged, this is important information for people to realize the extent of the continuing Official cover-up and disinfo campaign of 9/11.

From OP;
"Astaneh-Asl, who received money from the National Science Foundation to investigate the collapse, insisted most New York skyscrapers built with traditional designs would survive such an impact and prevent the kind of fires that brought down the twin towers."

WTC 1 and 2, from what I've learned, were much more robust structures than the "traditional designs" that "would survive such an impact".

I'm still of the opinion that one or two key whistleblowers is all we need to start the unraveling of the Great Myth of 9/11.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 11:08 AM
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The official story will crumble this year.

There is no holding the Tsunami of truth that is being revealed daily.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 02:25 PM
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Star and flag, star and flag.

Finally, a nice, solid source that no one can come through and say "Where is this from? It sounds like a bogus source to me..." No more of that.

Hopefully more engineers and architects will stop hiding and start issuing true statements about 9/11 instead of backing up the Commission and NIST reports. This is a big step, and others will follow.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 02:25 PM
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Posted twice on accident.


[edit on 26-3-2008 by OMW24]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 02:40 PM
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Nothing stays hidden for ever.
And it would appear the truth falls into this category.
I cant wait to see whats next.
Star and flag.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by OMW24
Star and flag, star and flag.

Finally, a nice, solid source that no one can come through and say "Where is this from? It sounds like a bogus source to me..." No more of that.

Hopefully more engineers and architects will stop hiding and start issuing true statements about 9/11 instead of backing up the Commission and NIST reports. This is a big step, and others will follow.


Exactly what I was thinking!!Star and Flag indeed.I noticed a troll posted a new junk thread to knock this off the top of the list fast.Moral corruption here at ATS.

Why now is a great question.I mean the MSM allowing this to float out now brings perhaps a more sinister message.

www.washingtonpost.com...

note the "need" for terror drills.We know what comes with "terror drills"



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 04:27 PM
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yesssss!!!

and I can almost hear it know coming from talking heads and debunkers..."Berkeley is full of nothing but tree huggin hippies who are leftist pinko commies!" ohh no now IM a debunker!
I hope I havent become to cynical.

this is a start though now we need this to be covered by some more MSM outlets and not just "entertainment tonite" like with charlie and alex j.

I might have missed it in the article but I didnt see any actual building references that would also withstand a hit from a plane in new york. It would be useful to find out which building he was referencing and compare the inner structure to that of the WTC's.

nice find OP!



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 04:53 PM
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While I admit that this is an exciting development,its also scary in a sense.
I cant see those behind the events of 9/11 allowing this to gain more and more momentum.
If this contiues to steamroll,they are screwed,for a lack of a bettter word.
My thinking would be,if they have an ace left up there sleeve,say pulling off something alot worse,as the article you posted suggested,it would basically put a stop tp any new 9/11 investigation.
As there would be plenty worse things to deal with.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 05:51 PM
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Originally posted by Black_Fox
reply to post by skinnyblaze
 



While I admit that this is an exciting development,its also scary in a sense.
I cant see those behind the events of 9/11 allowing this to gain more and more momentum.
If this contiues to steamroll,they are screwed,for a lack of a bettter word.
My thinking would be,if they have an ace left up there sleeve,say pulling off something alot worse,as the article you posted suggested,it would basically put a stop tp any new 9/11 investigation.
As there would be plenty worse things to deal with.


That is why I posted the link.Like Rumsfeld stated on Sept 10th 2001 about "mis-placing" a trillion dollars (or there about).Forgotten by the msm and their zombie followers.

I mean we know there was a group of engineers who have been questioning 911 for years now .Also pilots,professors and celebrity.Having the engineers recognized by the msm is a step forward...kind of like painting a barn with a toothbrush though.

Could it be that a small faction of the msm is trying to get this info out?Somehow slipping this by the "Censors that be".especially in lieu of the
www.washingtonpost.com... article.

Cheers.



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 06:17 PM
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The Toronto Star, Hogtown's biggest, fattest, most bleedingly Canadian liberal paper had an article on Tuesday, on page six of the second section suggesting that the war in Iraq is illegal!!!

Maybe as the Bush train wreck of an administration nears the end over end of it's trajectory ostriches are beginning to pull their timid little heads out of the sand? Just a thought.

Otherwise, go honest engineers!!



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 06:24 PM
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The American Society of Civil Engineers is a private professional agency that received funding to investigate 9/11 and Katrina.

Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, one of the men making the accusation, received funding for his study fo the collapse from the National Science Foundation is a government agency. The directors of the NSF are appointed by the President.

Now in my mind, if there were a 9/11 cover-up, which of those two institutions would be more likely to be in on it?

[edit on 3-26-2008 by Esoterica]



posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 07:22 PM
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First of all Ivan... I reward you with a star. Good find sir.


Are there cover ups?

HELL YES!

Inspectors are paid off DAILY in almost every city in the country. Not only engineers.

This is not new.. and I agree it is a disgrace that the safety of human lives can be bought.

Leave it to the truthers to call this some sort of victory.

Lets look at some of this article:



NEW ORLEANS - The professional organization for engineers who build the nation's roads, dams and bridges has been accused by fellow engineers of covering up catastrophic design flaws while investigating national disasters.


Design flaws kiddies!! Not... BOMB residue ...or Thermite.


In the World Trade Center case, critics contend the engineering society wrongly concluded skyscrapers cannot withstand getting hit by airplanes.


I am curious as to who these critics are that they are talking about...and WHAT they are talking about.

and this:


He also questioned the makeup of the society's investigation team. On the team were the wife of the trade center's structural engineer and a representative of the buildings' original design team.


This is a valid point.... But think about it... the so called cover up is DESIGN FLAWS.... not that they covered up bombs.



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