New Age or Old Nick?, page 1/

I am authoring this post as a sort of antithesis of the subject matter discussed in my thread Proof of multidimensional molecules that know you're watching...Down the rabbit hole.

The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey is really the book of self-worship, with manifestation in the physical realm brought about through ritual. The pseudo-religious metaphysics talked about in the above-referenced thread and elsewhere, are also clearly self-oriented and purport that physical manifestation can be brought about by will. Ritual magick is really nothing more than the orientation and focus of the will.

Either way, it seems like having the ability to manifest physical reality to one’s own liking would be desirable. However, I would draw the line at doing so to the detriment of others, lest that manifestation become what I would consider to be inherently evil. This is the point where I questioned these New Age teachings which I have been exposed to lately. There was an interview on Larry King that I watched recently, but was taped sometime last year I believe. This New Age material was the topic of discussion, and the question was asked about what one should do about friends and family who were not on the same “path” as those who were getting involved in this New Age metaphysical movement. The answer was to basically let them fall by the way-side. That the more a person manifested and attracted that which they desired, the people and things that were not in accordance with that would fall away as a matter of course.

Well, that seems to me to be a convenient way to abandon friends and family who might be having troubles and are not on the same “spiritual path.” You should feel no guilt in abandoning the people you love, because this is really their own doing and once they realize this they will begin “manifesting” for themselves.

Now this brings up another problem. According to these teachings, you can have whatever you want and are really only limited by your own belief as to whether or not you can have them. If you don’t have what you need or want, it is simply because you have not gotten on the right sort of “frequency” to manifest it. And they take it further than the Satanists. If there are things in your life that are not desirable, you are actually manifesting those things as well, apparently through flaws in your own thought process. Your own negative thoughts and doubts are attracting all the bad things in your life.

I’m starting to have a problem with this. If I get shot in the head it was my fault, I attracted it? Suddenly I am left feeling like this whole thing is really just another scheme to prey on the people who really need help the most, while conveniently blaming them for their own plight. Another plot by the Satanic elite to divide the people and absolve themselves of their responsibilities to the people?


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reply to post by jackinthebox

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I can see where you're coming from, but "new age" is merely a mish mash of older beliefs that some threw together as a belief system.

Some would call me a new ager because I believe in consciousness and oneness without a religion to follow.

I do not follow any dogmatic belief systems, nor am I 100% certain on my beliefs.

I actually authored a thread you might find interesting on the "new age" phenomenon here

reply to post by Hopup Dave

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"How shall I find the Kingdom of Heaven?" Jesus answered "The Kingdom is within you and all about you. You will not find it temples of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and you will find me. Lift a rock and I am there."

This is one my mother had told me a long time ago, and one I still think about today.

reply to post by ADVISOR

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Ritual magic huh, well, would you be willing to comment on it being the trail or diversion for a false belief, or religious doctrine?

I am not dure I understand your question. But if you are asking if I believe that ritual magick works, I have seen enough examples to say that it does. I have also experienced telekenisis twice, but have no idea how I did it.

reply to post by ADVISOR

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Very interesting, would you by chance, be willing to participate in a debate argueing the opposing sides of this subject?

Debate myself? Sounds insane, but I like the idea.

Seriously though, what do you have in mind?

I only ask, because I have not ever experienced, in my 3 decades, any super/supra or any un natural events. And am very much looking forward to finding any counter arguement of said occurance.

One truth that I have found is that it is extremely difficult to argue fruitfully that which cannot be proven. My own experiences have assured me that a "supernatural" realm exists here along with us, but of course I have no way to prove any such thing. There are some phenomenon, such as telekenisis, that have been observed under laboratory conditions over the years, but it is very diffucult to locate and verify such accounts thouroughly.

Of course, this does not anwser your question, so in essence, yes what the clarification could be, is that i am wondering if you beleive such "ritual magic" functions.

In general, yes, I do believe that ritual magick can have an effect in the physical realm around us, as intended. In practice however, I think most practitioners are charlatans.


EDIT: To add the M to "realm" um, twice.

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reply to post by ADVISOR

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Sounds interesting. Let's spend the next few days looking to see if we can gather enough material to make fruitful a display of our debating prowess (and to make sure I can dedicate enough time). I have never engaged in a formal debate before, and would be honored to break this lack of experience against an ATS veteran such as yourself. Shall we say, until Sunday 11:59pm Eastern to determine the potential validity of such a debate? Honestly, I expect we should be able to come up with something anyhow in that time.

In the meantime, I have decided to post two of my most profound supernatural experiences here on ATS this evening. If you are interested, please visit...

The Entity at the Sewage Treatment Plant
An Entity by Day

reply to post by jackinthebox

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Question, what type of LAW would be in pleace in this new age, and would YOU live with it, Or by it or not at all

reply to post by mrwupy

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READ my reply below

reply to post by Cythraul

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I must agree with what you have posted. I apologize if anyone interpreted my meaning to be against the New Age movement as a whole. My true intention was to point out the paradoxes which exist, as they become aparrent to me.

This thread was meant as a sort of counterbalance to some of what was suggested and/or proposed in the aforementioned thread, but not to discredit it out of hand.

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