The truth about "Thief in the night" and the Great Harlot of Revelation

reply to post by Locoman8

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I think you forgot to mention 2 Peter 3:10

"But the day of the LORD will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with ferverent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."

The actual day of the LORD will be a surprise but the era of its coming will be identifiable. Jesus said that the blossoms of the spring give a sign that summer is coming. There will be signs that the LORD's day is near.

By the way most churches, if not all, don't understand the meaning of Peter's words here. This passage is locked up and secret until God's due season.

This event is to occur immediately after the tribulation.

Look at every translation of 2 Peter 3:10 and see what words change in the various texts.

Heaven= God's throne
Heaven= Outerspace
Heaven= Earth's Troposphere


[edit on 3-4-2008 by lostinspace]

reply to post by lostinspace

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If you read what Jesus said, himself, you would see that he said that he would come like a thief in the night for those who are asleep, drunk, and blinded by corruption. Those of us who are awake and sober will know the time, just not the hour of his return. I believe most sober christians will be able to know the day but not what time of day he comes. I may be wrong but even knowing the vicinity of the time he returns is enough for me. There is no rapture before the tribulation and evangelics need to realize that part. We will all have to suffer the tribulation. Those of us who repent will likely survive the trib unless persecuted by the anti-christ. Those persecuted in the name of the Lord are those who are raptured....AFTER the tribulation.

I would say :
Yes, we will know the vicinity of Jesus Christ's return.

I think there will come a point in time, near the very end, we will be able to narrow it down to the month...the bible says the hour is unknown, but it does not say the month can not be known, Christ did say (to paraphrase) you will know it is very near, and at the door. But to pinpoint the day and hour is another matter.

We know the last trumpet is blown sometime after the 2 witnesses are killed.

11And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15And the seventh angel sounded
; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


(The third woe = the blowing of the seventh trumpet)

The two witnesses are killed, and 3 days later are resurrected, the "third woe" comes very soon after this event, the "third woe" is when the seventh and last trumpet is blown, this announces the return of Christ.
I use the phrase "announce" because I believe it's like being in a building, and somebody is on 5th floor, and is "watching" and looking out the window, and sees a car pull up, and announces that that person is "coming", but he is not yet in the same room as them yet. So I think this may be true for Christ....We'll see Him coming...but this is not the same as His actual arrival.

The reason I think it will be this way, is if you examine the greek text, that deals with Christ's Second Coming, it is exactly that...the greek text talks about His Coming...NOT his Arrival.

I'll discuss that more later...when I have time.

[edit on 7-4-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

[edit on 7-4-2008 by SirPaulMuaddib_2]

So being awake means keeping "the commandments." You are aware, I would hope, that "all these commandments" mentioned in the old testament is the entire Mosaic Law, including but by no means limited to, the ten commandments. There are exactly 613 commandments given, all of which are equally important under the old covenant, meaning that if you're guilty of breaking any, then you're guilty of breaking them all.

Now, anyone who has studied the texts in the original languages (and not just read what someone else has said about them) will understand that in the old testament, "These commandments" is referring to the Mosaic Law. The new testament, however uses two different words to differentiate between the Mosaic Law, and the things which Christ specifically commanded from his own mouth (Greek word "entole"). Unfortunately both words are translated into "commandments," whereas Christ's meaning in phrases such as "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." is better understood as "If you love me, you will do those things which I have taught you to do." Paul even differentiates between the Mosaic Law and "The Law of Christ," and flatly declares he's not under the Mosaic Law. See 1 Corinthians 9:19-23

The sabbath commandment was not ever any more important than any of the other 613 commandments. To assume that someone is more worthy, or righteous because they "keep the sabbath," is an exercise in self-righteousness, which is condemned.

reply to post by BlaznRob

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You should know that the 10 commandments are the most important. The other laws of Moses were not considered commandments. They were ordinances or guidelines. Jesus used the mosaic commandments in his teachings. He just taught the apostles that there is more meaning to it as He himself would be sacrificed in order to fulfill the passover.

I just needed to add a little to my argument. I have recently learned that the 27 nations making up the EU are not all bound by the EU. There are exactly 10 permanent European states making up the EU's political and economic blueprint. The other 17 are just observer states like Great Britain who still uses the Pound as currency. These 10 permanent EU states may very well be the 10 kings that have no kingdom but share an hour as King. The nations making up the EU share leadership in 6 month grids. THey are shareing power as rulers of the EU until a president is elected. Presidential elections take place around the time of our own general elections. That is a scary thought. THere's proof for the 10 kingdoms that share power with the beast. On a side note, the birth of the EU started with the signing of the "Treaties of Rome" which further fuels my case as the Roman Empire being the Political Beast of Revelation and the Roman Catholic Church being the Harlot Woman riding the beast.