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The Greatest Conspiracy Ever Perpetrated: My Interpretation.



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Topic started on 24-3-2008 @ 06:58 PM by mojo4sale
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The Judeo - Christian Religion IS a conspiracy of the highest order imho.
Its aim, power over and control of the masses which it has achieved for the past 2000 years.

Consider this scenario, many thousands of years ago, lets pluck a number out of thin air, say between 12000bc and 8000bc. The last ice age was finishing.
Man has started moving from a nomadic hunter gatherer lifestyle and begun farming and domestication of animals, settling into small groups and building permanent structures, homes, granaries and monoliths.They had come down from the mountains these people after the last glacial melt because their normal food sources had moved to the now verdant plains and marshes.
These people may have been the ancestors of the Ubaidian's or perhaps tribes from the Caucasus region, maybe even from near Mt Ararat.
They discovered that they no longer needed to follow the herds for food, the land was now lush and green and the herds didnt need to migrate as far. They also discovered that the animals ate certain plants, plants that they were able to grow by collecting the pollen and seeds. They captured some animals and fed them from the grains they grew. They were also able to eat the grains and fruits and berry's that now grew in abundance around their settlements.

A few generations passed and one of the elders of these people remembered the tales of the hard times in the mountains that had been passed down by word of mouth, the lack of food, the cold, on a clear day you could still see the mountains that were their former home in the distance, majestically rising above the plains, the sun rising above them in the morning caused them to shimmer and glow.

Surely the mountain was where the gods lived and they had shown their children a way to a better life than before. To a paradise were everything they needed was supplied.
The elder told his people that they must give thanks to the Gods in the mountains for all that they had been given and so they began building monuments to the Gods. Is it any wonder that many of these early monuments resembled the mountains from whence they'd come.

And in a few thousand years to come these monuments would be as great an achievement as any we have ever made, the Pyramids.

And so the greatest of their Gods were the Gods that lived in the mountains because that was where the sun was born each day rising between the mountains peaks, but now they noticed that other Gods helped them or hurt them in their daily existence. They saw the plants grow at certain times of the year when the sun was at a certain point in the sky. They saw that animals gave birth at certain times. Surely the God that gave birth to the animals and plants that kept them alive was a Mother Goddess.

Soon they had gods and demons for all that happened around them, a fire raged across the plains and destroyed everything in its path, this must have been caused by a very angry God, why is this God angry they thought, what is it that causes us to anger it they thought, maybe the God is hungry, so they started sacrificing an animal to the fire god to appease his hunger. Perhaps, they thought, we need to make sacrifices for all the gods to keep them happy, and so they did. They noticed when something died it dissolved back into the Earth and so they thought there must be a world beneath their feet where the dead went. The Underworld.

Many thousands of years passed and the people prospered, their population grew and their technology advanced, each new thing they discovered was because the Gods were pleased with them.
Soon they had built cities and temples to the gods, the people were very busy, tending the land, fishing and building that they didn't have time anymore to devote to their Gods so they placed the power of keeping the Gods appeased in the hands of their elders.
For many years life was good and the people believed it was because the elders had kept the Gods appeased, the elders now called themselves priests and priestesses.

Now the priests had become accustomed to being venerated by the people, they didnt need to work the fields or tend the animals or carry water from the wells, this was all done for them so that they could commune with the gods.

Suddenly anytime that their role was questioned they became fearful that their life of ease and luxury would be taken from them.
So now they instilled fear in the people anytime something bad happened, the Gods have told us they are angry because you have not given enough gold or food to the temple or shown us enough respect.

Fast forward another thousand years or so and now the elite, the priests control everything but to appease the people, Kings and Queens are given reign but those that dare to question the priests don't last long.
Now writing has been discovered and the priests have scribes write down all the knowledge of the Gods, the story of creation and the birth of man. These story's are already thousands of years old and have always been passed down by word of mouth, changing slightly over time but the basic premise is still the same.

The Gods came from the mountains before but now they came from "above" in the sky where the sun is born. There are not as many Gods either anymore, many of the older gods have been forgotten and the other gods have taken on those responsibilities.
Now when a king or queen or high priest dies they are buried in mountains (ziggurats and pyramids) so that they can ascend to live with the gods instead of having to descend into the
Underworld.

These story's and myth's are passed on from one culture to the next as trade expands across the land and peoples of different cultures begin to mix with each other. Some assimilate these gods because those other people are much stronger and more powerful therefore their gods must also be stronger and more powerful.
Sumer, Akkad, Babylonia and Egypt rise and fall. Their Gods are all related to the first gods from that first tribe that came down from the mountains. But now the priests are battling for power as wars ravage the lands, the power base's continually shift and change and the priests realise that the people are growing wary of their faith in the gods. There are too many Gods for the people to worship and it weakens their power.

They decide that their must only be one God for the people to worship, an all powerful god who is battling the powers of darkness, the people are taken with this new god because they can see his fight of good over evil each day and their lives are hard and the promise of an afterlife fills them with hope.
These priests hide in the shadows and pull the strings, a prophet is needed to incite the people to rise up against the invaders so that their power is not taken away.
A son of God is needed to perform miracles to entrench the peoples faith in the new god, there is a story they remember from long ago from the egyptians of just such a man and so they relate this story once again and of his virgin mother, also the story of a great flood which is also from long ago, from Sumer and Babylonia, and many other story's as well.

And so the birth of the greatest fraud in mankinds history is born.



Then again this might all just be a story of a vivid imagination? Is it any more harder to believe this story than the story that is preached from pulpits around the world each day?


Related links.

Epic of Atrahasis


Tablet III of the Atrahasis Epic contains the flood story. This is the part that was adapted in the Epic of Gilgamesh, tablet XI. Tablet III of Atrahasis tells how the god Enki warns the hero Atrahasis ("Extremely Wise") of Shuruppak, speaking through a reed wall (suggestive of an oracle) to dismantle his house (perhaps to provide a construction site) and build a boat to escape the flood planned by the god Enlil to destroy mankind. The boat is to have a roof "like Apsu" (a fresh water marsh next to the temple of Enki), upper and lower decks, and to be sealed with bitumen. Atrahasis boards the boat with his family and animals and seals the door. The storm and flood begin.



The 18th century BCE Akkadian Atra-Hasis epic, named after its human hero, contains both a creation myth and a flood account, and is one of three surviving Babylonian flood stories. The oldest known copy of the epic of Atrahasis can be dated by colophon (scribal identification) to the reign of Hammurabi's great-grandson, Ammi-Saduqa (1646–1626 BCE), but various Old Babylonian fragments exist; it continued to be copied into the first millennium. The Atrahasis story also exists in a later fragmentary Assyrian version, the first one having been rediscovered in the library of Ashurbanipal, but because of the fragmentary condition of the tablets and ambiguous words, translations had been uncertain.


Ziusudra


Flood myths with many similarities to the Sumerian story appear widely in subsequent Ancient Near Eastern mythologies: including the Atrahasis myth, the Utnapishtim episode in the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the biblical Noah story.
Deities (or a deity) create the animals and human beings, but people anger the god(s), so they decide to wipe out the world with a flood. A divine being warns one pious person of the impending flood and tells him to build a very large boat, and with it he preserves the animals and mankind from extinction. In the end the god(s) reward him for his actions.


Noahs Ark


The majority of modern Biblical scholars accept the thesis that the Biblical flood story is linked to a cycle of Assyro-Babylonian mythology with which it shares many features. The Mesopotamian flood-myth had a very long currency—the last known retelling dates from the 3rd century BC. A substantial number of the original Sumerian, Akkadian and Assyrian texts, written in cuneiform, have been recovered by archaeologists, but the task of recovering more tablets continues, as does the translation of extant tablets


Garden of Eden


The origin of the term "Eden", which in Hebrew means "delight", may lie with the Akkadian word edinu, which itself derives from the Sumerian term E.DIN. The Sumerian term means steppe, plain, desert or wilderness, so the connection between the words may be coincidental. This word is known to have been used by the Sumerians to refer to the arid lands west of the Euphrates.



Tree of Knowledge


Similar trees appear in other religions. In the closest, most relevant comparison, the iconic image of the tree guarded by the Serpent appears on Sumerian seals;



Sumerian Mythology


Many stories in Sumerian religion appear similar to stories in other Middle-Eastern religions. For example, the Biblical account of the creation of man as well as Noah's flood resemble the Sumerian tales very closely, though the Sumerian myths were written many centuries earlier than the Tanakh. Gods and Goddesses from Sumer have distinctly similar representations in the religions of the Akkadians, Caananites, and others. A number of stories and deities have Greek parallels as well; for example, it has been argued by some that Inanna's descent into the underworld strikingly recalls (and predates) the story of Persephone.


Deluge Mythology

Was Tutankhamen really Jesus?

Sumerian and biblical similarity’s

www.usbible.com/Creation


The word "Adam," as the proper name for the first man can be misleading. It comes from ha-adam in Hebrew, which translates to "the man"—Hebrew has no capital letters. The word adam is extracted from adamah, meaning country, earth, ground, husband, earth, or land. This suggests the context in Genesis 3:19, when God says "you are dust, and to dust you shall return." The name represents the material from which he was made. He wasn't an actual person.
Likewise, "Eve" is translated from the Hebrew chavvaòh, for lifegiver, as in "the mother of all living." Its root, Chaya, means "serpent" in Aramaic. Eve and serpent are taken to be synonymous.
The word, Eden, has been traced to the Sumerian language, meaning fertile land. To the Hebrews who later settled in the region, the word eden came to mean "delight" or "enjoyment." In a sense, it is a garden of delight.
In sum, the words Adam and Eve describe nobody in particular, and Eden describes no place in particular. It belongs with all the pagan mythologies of its type.


www.sron.nl

Angels

The religion of the ancient Sumerians has left its mark on the entire middle east. Not only are its temples and ziggurats scattered about the region, but the literature, cosmogony and rituals influenced their neighbors to such an extent that we can see echoes of Sumer in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic tradition today.

www.domainofman.com

Special thanks to the God of Magic for firing my imagination, because ultimately this is just an interpretation of what i believe may have occured many thousands of years ago and may be flawed in many ways.




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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 07:36 PM by mrwupy


You get a star and a flag for the work and creativity put into your post my friend.

Personally, I think it will still be a matter of opinion among the members here. I consider every religion to be a conspiracy.

Still, Good job.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:04 PM by mojo4sale



Originally posted by mrwupy
You get a star and a flag for the work and creativity put into your post my friend.

Personally, I think it will still be a matter of opinion among the members here. I consider every religion to be a conspiracy.

Still, Good job.


Thanks mrwupy.

Ahhh but it always will be a matter of opinion.

This is just what i believe happened, i read, i spoke to friends, i researched and i joined the dots and it revealed a picture of a massive fraud perpetrated on all mankind by a selfish few.

I also agree that all religions have or are embroiled in their own conspiracy's, but nothing on the magnitude of the Judeo - Christian religions except for perhaps Islam which has usurped the same ancient myths as the christians.
They are one and the same, they just don't know it.
It is nothing more than the largest copy/paste job of all time.

Thanks.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:11 PM by padishahpoobah


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Hm. We must merely look to the utter failure of regimes that "cured" themselves of Christianity such as Maoist China and Stalinist Russia to realize that your shopworn thesis of "Evil Christianity" could not be more incorrect.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:15 PM by lordtyp0


Very well written, cited and phrased. Above all, very plausible. Kudos. Beware though, I can hear an angry crowd with torches approaching.

I would definitely agree that religion was established as the first ruling class.


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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:16 PM by padishahpoobah


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Torches? Hardly. Try logic.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:18 PM by lordtyp0


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For your earlier response: I didn't see anything per se reflecting Christianity by itself. I interpreted it as a common launching point-people in the Bible belt think Babtist when they hear 'church' etc..

Thread might be a bit mis-named, course, I might be seeing what I want *shrug*.

Was still a good read.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:20 PM by padishahpoobah


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Not sure I completely understand everything in that post, but I will say this: the fact that Christianity uses elements of previous religions by no means makes it false. One would have to assume that the other religions were false in those elements for this belief to be true.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:20 PM by mojo4sale



Originally posted by padishahpoobah
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Hm. We must merely look to the utter failure of regimes that "cured" themselves of Christianity such as Maoist China and Stalinist Russia to realize that your shopworn thesis of "Evil Christianity" could not be more incorrect.




My theory has nothing to do with "evil christianity".

My theory is that there was No God, No Son of God, No Holy Trinity, No Virgin Birth, No Noah packing 2 of each animal into an Ark due to a Global Flood, just rehashed tales from superstitious tribesman passed down over millenia used by an elite few to gain power and influence over the rest of the population.
And they've kept their secret to this day. Or they had.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:22 PM by padishahpoobah


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So, you're arguing that this usage of power is not evil, then? If you argue thus, why are you even posting?



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:23 PM by lordtyp0



Originally posted by padishahpoobah
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Not sure I completely understand everything in that post, but I will say this: the fact that Christianity uses elements of previous religions by no means makes it false. One would have to assume that the other religions were false in those elements for this belief to be true.


Exactly, what I was meaning was replace "Christianity" with "Religion". Unrelated to spirituality, or if god exists. More of the control factor of Religions is what I got out of it, in this case Christianity is the most common religious starting point for a westerner, hence it being cited... again though, I might be projecting onto the thread, if so my apologies OP.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:31 PM by mojo4sale



Originally posted by padishahpoobah
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So, you're arguing that this usage of power is not evil, then? If you argue thus, why are you even posting?


Where have i said christianity is evil. I don't think christians are evil, i don't think 95% of priests or ministers or imam's or nun's are evil.
I think there are some evil people within the church just as there are some evil people in everyday life.

Why am i posting, is it not a conspiracy that im putting forward, do i not state in the title and in my OP that it is my interpretation. It is what i believe.
Why are you posting.
There is no evil mentioned only greed and selfishness on the part of those that perpetrated the fraud over 2000 years ago and perhaps those that know the truth within the church that continue the lie.
Did you read the OP?



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:32 PM by padishahpoobah


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Yeah, it's just when you use words like "fraud" and "control" people logically will assume that you regard Christianity in a negative light. Glad you don't, though.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:34 PM by mojo4sale


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Your right i did use the Judeo Christian religion as my focus because it is what i have read the most about and it relates to the area of my main interest which is Mesopotamia.
It made more sense to me to write it from that pov.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:44 PM by Equinox99


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I understand what you are trying to say. I believe the old testament could have come from the old customs. The story of Jesus, and the new testament is plausible. Since they wrote it after Jesus' death makes it plausible. (To me anyway)

Think of this too, religions started to come to different nations who have not even heard of what God is. How do they possibly grasp the idea that God existed in nations that which have never met? Someone told me before that no minds think alike. This is a really big operation, and what I believe is that over time people started to forget about God until an event happens that changes lives. It may not be in our time but it will happen.



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reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 06:46 AM by gtirlad2


I was born a Catholic and i will always be a catholic till it all comes to a end.

*snip*

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reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 07:45 AM by madnessinmysoul






this is the sort of mindset that is harmful to the world

what's odd is that you'd probably be saying the exact same thing if you were born a muslim, sikh, jew, or hindu




any, nice post mojo
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reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 08:11 AM by ZeroKnowledge


The problem is that myths are there. It can be copy/paste a lot of times, but an origin still has to be there. Flood is described in magnitude of cultures, some met that "demonic" Judeo-Cristian tradition only 500 yrs ago, but still had myths about flood. You can blame it on rather "weak" human imagination, but it is not the only possibility.
As for this tradition being used to rule people - In countries/regions with Judeo-Christian tradition were much more revolutions then in those with other ,less "cruel" and "oppressing" ones.
Anyway, this is my view, but i am part of this "conspiracy" i guess....



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reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 08:36 AM by madnessinmysoul


why is this in O&C, shouldn't this just be in the regular "Conspiracies in Religion" section?

i mean...it does deal with origin stories, but it's primary focus is the religion itself instead of the stories.



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reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 08:40 AM by heliosprime



Originally posted by mojo4sale
My theory has nothing to do with "evil christianity".

My theory is that there was No God, No Son of God, No Holy Trinity, No Virgin Birth, No Noah packing 2 of each animal into an Ark due to a Global Flood, just rehashed tales from superstitious tribesman passed down over millenia used by an elite few to gain power and influence over the rest of the population.
And they've kept their secret to this day. Or they had.



No need for torches or pitchforks......I'm thinking more along the line of fire from the sky and a little brimstone............

God Bless........you'll need it........



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