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reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 05:21 AM by FTL_Navigator

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reply posted on 15-4-2010 @ 07:50 AM by Sparky63

Originally posted by Phat_Pleiades

The trick is to be able to somehow focus gravity with a certain intensity directed to the destination point, but out of phase, so instead of pushing away the destination point, we will curve the space-time fabric agains us, bringing the destination point closer to us, for when our destination is curved enough we can just do an small jump in between the 2 points, by triggering an opening in the space-time fabric, a sort of small worm-whole.

But how?

We will have to get hold of the spice, melange. Lots of it. Enough so that it speeds up our evolution to the point that we develop the ability to fold space. The only drawback is that we will all look like congealed blobs of turkey gravy.

(Dune Frank Herbert)

I love it that Science fiction writers always seem to be a step ahead of actual science. Writers like Roddenberry, Asimov, & Herbert have all proposed ingenious ways to overcome the universal speed limit. Now it is up to physicists to flesh them out and see what has a basis in reality and what does not.

Do I think it is possible? No. But there is no need to be close-minded on the subject Nice thread.

[edit on 4/15/2010 by Sparky63]

reply posted on 25-9-2010 @ 05:03 PM by tarifa37

I have just watched the excellent Stephen Hawking documentary looking at time travel where he explored the fact that if you travel extremely fast near light speed time will slow significantly for you. In fact at near light speed for every day on board you will go forward in time by one year. However he said that the law of time means you can not reach or exceed light speed. He said if you were on a train traveling near light speed and a child from the back of the train ran forward time would slow to stop the law of time being broken. My question it what if you fired a high velocity rifle from the rear of the train towards the front would the bullet break the speed of light or would the train suddenly slow to accommodate it.

reply posted on 25-9-2010 @ 10:05 PM by Matyas

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Relativistic speeds are not additive. What does change is frequency, thus your doppler shift. Right?

reply posted on 26-9-2010 @ 03:37 AM by tarifa37

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I think the idea that you can not travel at or exceed the speed of light says to me that speed maybe isn't what we think it is. It may be something different all together. I think it might be more like playing a war computer game where if you stray to far the game brings you back. I think it could be possible that the reality of the universe can not be manifested quicker than light speed. So as you approach light speed there is nothing infront of you. Its at the limit of the games software so to speak.

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reply posted on 26-9-2010 @ 07:40 PM by Matyas

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As information is concerned.

Now phase velocity or group phase velocity can be instantaneous. This is what entanglement is.

Example 1.) Shear Wave: A shear wave can be thought of as an angle traveling along two nearly parallel "rays", a convenient fiction. As the angle decreases when the rays are brought into the parallel, or coherence, the speed of its travel increases. Like an infinitely long scissor.

Example 2.) Wave Bubble: Think of it as two concentric circles almost the same size. Almost looks like one circle. Now move one off center so that one point is exactly on top of the other. The two circles are now separated at every point but that one That is the point they are in phase. Move it again slightly and it is in phase at another point. But the speed at which that point "traveled" is for all intents and purposes instantaneous.

Now think of those circles as two spheres. Those are the wavefronts of a photon. And they are growing at the speed of light. Where we see a photon is where the two spheres are in phase. So by shifting the in-phase portion to another point I can make the photon appear as if it jumped to a new area on the sphere instantaneously.

Example 3.) Tangental Velocity: As a source of light rotates, the speed of our ray measured at the right angle of the direction of propogation exceeds the speed of light at a given distance. Pulsars have these rays, the tangental velocities of which are exceeding the speed of light by tens if not hundreds of magnitudes.

reply posted on 26-9-2010 @ 10:26 PM by SevenThunders

Although the special theory of relativity limits us for the reasons you state (it requires infinite energy), the general theory of relativity allows one to get to any place in the universe within any time frame we so desire. Basically it allows for a kind of warp drive.

en.wikipedia.org...

However due to the technical issues of creating such a drive, I believe it requires an additional coupling between gravity and other forces of nature to make it work. A coupling which, not only do I believe exists, but which is being exploited by various governments as we speak.

A French experiment has already shown that the gravito-magnetic coupling is far stronger than general relativity predicts, but I can't find the reference right now for the life of me. Maybe it called pulled by TPTB.

reply posted on 26-9-2010 @ 10:30 PM by OmiOra

Traveling faster than light would be absolutely disasterous. If you travel faster than light you could not see nor know where you are going.

reply posted on 26-9-2010 @ 11:21 PM by Matyas

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You are correct on all counts albiet in a circuitious manner.

It is a coupling with the Aether.

reply posted on 26-9-2010 @ 11:30 PM by Matyas

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You'd never see it. Traveling close to c would reduce you and your ship to subatomic goo. Therefore the coupling.

Under acceleration mass actually steps to new speed values. In quantum mechanics these steps are called jumps. In order to "travel" at FTL the c value has to be jumped through. After that there is a whole new range of dangers, the least of which is the Grandfather Paradox.

No one really needs FTL. Who cares if the human race becomes extinct long ago if one can travel within two days ship time to any place in the universe?

reply posted on 27-9-2010 @ 11:53 AM by snusfanatic

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I don't really understand this either. I know that people used to believe you couldn't travel past the speed of sound either. If any object traveling close to the speed of light supposedly takes on near infinite mass, do we observe tiny particles becoming near infinite in mass when we push them near the speed of light? is this something that only kicks in in the realms so close to the speed of light that it practically is the speed of light? so confusing

reply posted on 27-9-2010 @ 11:55 AM by snusfanatic

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unless you had some kind of scouting system that also traveled back and forth faster then the speed of light giving you or your navigation system time to adjust.

reply posted on 27-9-2010 @ 12:21 PM by xiphias

The speed of light is 671,000,000 MPH.

According to some sources, as you're sitting at your computer right now, you are actually moving at 2,724,666 MPH through the universe. Just thought I'd point that out.

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reply posted on 27-9-2010 @ 02:44 PM by Phractal Phil

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"According to some sources"???? I'd like to know what your sources are. And what is that speed supposed to be relative to?

According to other sources, you are off by a factor of 2000. The cosmic microwave background seems to be the most likely candadate for a reference frame that is stationary relative to the ether. The blue shift toward Virgo suggests that we are moving in that direction at about 627±22 km/s.

When dealing with instantaneous communication, motion relative to the ether is relevant. According to special relativity, Earth clocks closer to Virgo should show earlier times (in the reference frame of the CMB) at the rate of 7 ns/km. If the relative motion is 2,724,666 MPH, the time shift would be milliseconds/km instead of nanoseconds/km.

P.S.: Go metric.

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reply posted on 27-9-2010 @ 10:12 PM by Matyas

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I would like to add, according to some sources, mankind knew the speed of light 1400 years ago.

www.speed-light.info...

reply posted on 27-9-2010 @ 10:27 PM by Phractal Phil

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According to your own source (the link you gave) the speed of light was not known until much later than that. It says that Galileo said, in 1667, it was at least 10 times faster than sound, and Roemer sain, in 1675 it was 200,000 km/s. If you have a source that says it was known 1400 years ago, you should give us the link.

reply posted on 27-9-2010 @ 10:29 PM by elfulanozutan0

We can't go fasterthan the speed of light because you can get to Nother galaxy let alone solar system by using rocket fuel. Until we get past the mentality of using nonrenwable resources well be able to develop the technology to go into deep space, until then the moon will be the farthest man will get in outerspace.

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