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Why do you feel the need to chase that which is not there?




Topic started on 24-3-2008 @ 04:41 PM by wow23


I mean no offence to anyone here, but why do people feel the need to chase that which is not there. There is no evidence to support any of the allegations made by people here. We are told that to be the American leader, you need to be linked to a group hell bent on ruling the world and that these people select the Prssident. And there was me thinking that it was the votes of the American people that put the President in power. Silly me!

We are told the the federal reserve have all the power in the states, when I thought that the two houses had the power.

Is it down to people needing to fill a void in their lives with these things, so they sit down and come up with them? Have we become so feed up with thinking for ourselves, that people log onto these forums and fall for eveything, hook line and sinker?

Rant Over



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 05:09 PM by Fitzgibbon


Societies especially in times of stress need an 'other' to blame for times when things don't go just the way we want or expect them to. It's an attachment to the childish habit of not accepting fault when it's ours or externalising fault to preserve ego even when there's no fault per se. Witness the scapegoat in its many incarnations whether as actual goat or uppity feminists, uppity blacks, uppity 'whatever-group-turns-your-crank'. It's always easier to blame someone else when the other isn't there in any great number to defend themselves. Then all of society's reputed "ills" can be laid at their feet for blame. Witness the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Immaturity is a terrible thing but oh-so-much-easier than the alternative



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 08:33 PM by andre18


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Most Americans still believe that the Federal Reserve is the government, it is not, the fed is a privately owned banking system whose majority share holders are the Rothschild’s, the Warburg’s, J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller and the Lehman brothers. This private banking cartel is the fed and is never audited and never pays taxes.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 09:16 PM by JustMe74


This is the best explanation I've come across for this mindset:
www.publiceye.org...

That's not to say that there aren't real conspiracies out there, but, IMHO, they're far more mundane than much of what gets tossed around here. Makes for entertaining reading, but I wouldn't base my life around any of this stuff.



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reply posted on 24-3-2008 @ 11:35 PM by lnaphx


And it's not there because...? How do you know it's not there?

Evidence is in an undiscovered area. Just because you can't see air does not mean air does not exist. Same with germs. And gravity. And secret societies, conspiracies, etc.

Votes of people do make the President - every day you sit and grumble about who is ruling what, that is a vote. It is because, day after day, for 7-ish years now, people have collectively voted, passively, to let the President stay President. The ballot idea is something of a mystery to me, so I won't claim to know how that works.

Things in the system have as much power as they are given.

The reason why I do this, yes it is to fill a void. It is the void where there should be violent action against things I don't agree with. I replace the violence and confusion with a slow work in progress of how the world works in thought and writing, and it lets me vent without becoming a criminal.



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reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 09:12 AM by JustMe74



Originally posted by lnaphx
And it's not there because...? How do you know it's not there?


Lack of evidence of such?


Originally posted by lnaphx
Evidence is in an undiscovered area. Just because you can't see air does not mean air does not exist. Same with germs. And gravity. And secret societies, conspiracies, etc.


This is flawed logic, in my opinion. I can prove without a doubt the existence of "air" or "germs" .... but most (not all) "conspiracies" can't be proven.



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reply posted on 25-3-2008 @ 10:02 AM by II HAL II




And there was me thinking that it was the votes of the American people that put the President in power. Silly me!



How many people are there to choose from... two or three.... it's not hard to see the problem there, and even worse when people from different parties are in the same organizations like skull and bones etc. they all move in the same circles and you dont have much of a choice in who runs your country.




We are told the the federal reserve have all the power in the states, when I thought that the two houses had the power.



The fed is private and money is the power, no chasing needed here, the evidence is there.... whats the problem again?

I'm not saying all these conspiracies are real but the problem is this.... 99% of these conspiracies are secrets that powerful people want kept that way.... in turn getting evidence for these is alot harder than proving there is air (which is not a secret and no power wants this hidden).



so they sit down and come up with them? Have we become so feed up with thinking for ourselves, that people log onto these forums and fall for eveything, hook line and sinker?



I would suggest its the other way round, you fall for everything your told by the main stream media and dont think for yourself.... dont be a sheep and open your mind a bit.



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reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 12:59 AM by Straighten Arrow


What else would be the purpose of a SECRET society other then to gain an unfair advantage. What's up with Obama is what I want to know? I mean, I'm glad that Hillary ain't gonna win and I guess that McCain is the lesser of the three evils.



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reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 09:42 AM by Trinityman



Originally posted by Straighten Arrow
What else would be the purpose of a SECRET society other then to gain an unfair advantage.

Depends what you mean by SECRET. Most people don't regard freemasonry as a SECRET society in the usual meaning of the term, and of course it's aims are the complete opposite of gaining an unfair advantage.

As to true secret societies, that could well be a reason for their existence. It's very hard to find out the real reason for their continuation as they are so secret. However they could just be attempting privacy - it's a tragic aspect of the human condition that we believe each other always up to no good. That tells us more about ourselves than it does our neighbor.


What's up with Obama is what I want to know? I mean, I'm glad that Hillary ain't gonna win and I guess that McCain is the lesser of the three evils.

Why do you think something is UP with Obama? I've got no idea what you are talking about.



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reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 05:58 PM by Straighten Arrow


"However they could just be attempting privacy - it's a tragic aspect of the human condition that we believe each other always up to no good. "

I know, sorry. I'm tired of thinking that way anyway and I'm coming to the realization that Jesus is in control anyway so I am going to stop worrying about it. Besides, it's the devil that wants us to become divided by that way of thinking, not you guys and unfortunately it has been me that has been giving in to that way of thought lately.

I thank you guys for your willingness to keep discussing it with me. You're a great bunch of persons.



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reply posted on 30-3-2008 @ 06:43 PM by RWPBR


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Because it is easier to blame others for you problems than it is to take responsibility for your own actions.

Then you have a certain group of people who will believe anything that is even moderately scandalous because it relieves the boredom of an otherwise mundane life.

And finally you have those who just are not an intellectually gifted as others and believe anything.

Throw in the class warriors and the religious zealots and your question has been answered.

Peace



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