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Originally posted by projectvxn
You wanna talk about spreading disinformation.
If you wanted to spread disinformation you'd down play the dead count to look a little less severe.
Make me wonder who some of the people on this website work for.
Depleted uranium munitions are controversial because of numerous unanswered questions about the long-term health effects. DU is less toxic than other heavy metals such as arsenic and mercury, and is only very weakly radioactive because of its long half life. While any radiation exposure has risks, no conclusive epidemiological data have correlated DU exposure to specific human health effects such as cancer. However, the UK government has attributed birth defect claims from a 1991 Gulf War combat veteran to DU poisoning, and studies using cultured cells and laboratory rodents continue to suggest the possibility of leukemogenic, genetic, reproductive, and neurological effects from chronic exposure. Until such issues are resolved with further research, the use of DU by the military will continue to be controversial.
Originally posted by HoHoFoo
reply to post by MBF
USA's loved ally, Turkey has destroyed Kurds for decades.
In addition to the physical destruction of 3,000 Kurdish villages, and military "incursions" into Iraqi Kurdistan augmenting Saddam Hussein's role in the destruction of 5,000 villages there, the Turkish government has sought to suppress something as simple and precious as the Kurdish language. Until 1991, it was illegal even to use this language _privately_, and the language remains officially banned for broadcasting. In practice, merely speaking Kurdish in a public place is still an invitation to intense surveillance or arrest; shops carrying any music cassettes with any identifiable words in Kurdish are likewise a routine cause for such surveillance. The word "Kurd" is not in the official Turkish encyclopedia.
Just how dangerous Kurdish national identity may seem to this Government was made clear in 1994, when Leyla Zana, Kurdish Member of Parliament, made a speech calling for reconciliation and peace between Turks and Kurds. She spoke, however, in Kurdish, bravely displaying her people's colors (red, yellow, and green) while advocating a settlement based on nonviolence and justice.
For this "offense," she was sentenced to 15 years in prison, and while in prison has been awarded the Free Thought prize of the European Parliament, the Sakharov Prize, and declared a Prisoner of Conscience by Amnesty International. She has also been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.
Originally posted by MBF
Only the elite had this standard of living, not everybody.
It's nice to make conclusion that In USA everybody has high standart of living, indians, immigrants, people who lives on the streets.
Without doubt Saddam was tyrant, and he kept tribal and religious troubles in line with violence and harsh governance. But.... with your tradition with CIA and assasinations, why did you destroyed hole country? You bombed it to stone age.
I hope there's never need to in my country to have this kind of "American aid"
Iraq had one of the best national health-care systems in the Middle East. For example, Saudi Arabia with all her petrodollar earnings had just a fraction of that of Iraq’s.
Iraq boasted a modern social infrastructure with a first-class range of health-care facilities, and the Iraqi people enjoyed one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East. In 1991, there were 1,800 health-care centres in Iraq. More than a decade later, that number is almost half, and almost a third of them require major rehabilitation. Iraq had used its oil revenues, which accounted for 60% of its gross domestic product (GDP), to build a modern health-care system with large Western-style hospitals and modern technology. Iraqi medical and nursing schools attracted students from throughout the Middle East, and many Iraqi doctors were trained in Europe or the U.S.A. Primary health-care services reached about 97% of the urban population and 78% of the rural population in 1990. But the Gulf war of 1991 and more than 13 years of U.S-Britain sponsored genocidal sanctions have left the country's economy and infrastructure in ruins.
UNICEF reported on March 28, 2003 that, "The Education system in Iraq, prior to 1991, was one of the best in the region, with over 100% Gross Enrolment Rate for primary schooling and high levels of literacy, both of men and women. The Higher Education, especially the scientific and technological institutions, was of an international standard, staffed by high quality personnel". In the 1980s, a successful government program to eradicate illiteracy among Iraqi men and women was implemented.
According to the World Health Organisation (WHO),
"Iraq had a modern sanitary infrastructure with an extensive network of water-purification and sewage-treatment systems. Water networks distributed clean, safe water to 95% of the urban population and to 75% of those in rural areas. In 1990, Iraq was ranked 50th out of 130 countries on the UNDP Human Development Index, which measures national achievements in health, education, and per capita GDP".
About Saddam in wikipedia:
A leading member of the revolutionary Ba'ath Party, which espoused secular pan-Arabism, economic modernization, and socialism, Saddam played a key role in the 1968 coup that brought the party to long-term power. As vice president under the ailing General Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, Saddam tightly controlled conflict between the government and the armed forces—at a time when many other groups were considered capable of overthrowing the government—by creating repressive security forces. In the early 1970s, Saddam spearheaded Iraq's nationalization of the Western-owned Iraq Petroleum Company, which had long held a monopoly on the country's oil. Through the 1970s, Saddam cemented his authority over the apparatuses of government as Iraq's economy grew at a rapid pace.
So Saddam was secular socialist, who nationalizated western-owned oil monopoly. Now I understand why USG destroied hole country!
OMG sosialism!!! National health care...AAAaarrrggHH! Save women and children first, cover their eyes and ears. Disgusting! Bad examples have to destroy.
[edit on 27-3-2008 by HoHoFoo]
remember the civilians leaving in the thousands before that battle kicked off so I don't accept that excuse. Thats why out troops hit them so hard in there because they knew most if not all civilians had left. The only ones that stayed in the city were terrorist because we had it surrounded.
Its the terrorist who blow up Innocent civilians every day over there and they hide their bombs and weapons under their child's beds so don't think for a second that I feel bad that our men had to smoke some out so they did not need to put their lives at risk needlessly.
That fight was the toughest house to house battle the army Has had since Way city in Vietnam so I think they did a pretty good job of stopping the terrorist from having that as a safe haven.
Originally posted by TheColdDragon
If you don't understand what kind of an atrocity birth defects are, google the Children of Thalidamide.
Originally posted by jerico65
Last time I checked, I don't think we were using Thalidamide filled rounds in the US military.