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Americas 14,000mph secret transit system

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posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 01:27 PM
If you are infering that I didn't go to NASA that is quite funny. I have the pictures to prove it. I still have the one's on my Palm Pilot phone and I have others on the other memory card. But I have to find the SD card.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 01:28 PM
No I believe you, I would like to see, Factual or not.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 01:49 PM
reply to post by Mac Harper

Wow another person saying something exists without any proof whatsoever. Nice try though, we'll put you in line with Lear and everyone else who speculates and renames it as proof.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 05:34 PM
reply to post by 12.21.12

I wonder how far down the system acctualy is?I would guess b/w 500-1000ft.I dont think any text I have posted has mentioned how far down it operates.Also you think there is more than two trains(one going one way,another going the other way)?

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 05:36 PM
reply to post by sd7000

Hey,thanx for your post,I would like to know more about this tower.I am having a hard time visualizing it,pics would be great if not what were its dimensions about?Also did you ask why it was called the "anti-gravity tower"?You said as soon as you entered there was a blast door on your right-did you ask what was in there?

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 05:39 PM
I live in Illinois,I wondeer what is so important here that the train would run through??Acctualy I am curently at a location that the map on my OP shows it to run very close to.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 05:46 PM
I dont know but the basement in DIA has 4 levels that should give you an idea.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 05:53 PM

Originally posted by 12.21.12
I dont know but the basement in DIA has 4 levels that should give you an idea.

How many feet is each level?Do you live in the U.S.?

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 05:59 PM
Yes I do. Their should be some basic schematics available on it is huge.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 06:05 PM
Jkrog did you ever google and read the DIA interview with Alex Christiansen yet? That should give you a good idea about whta is inside the base and just how big it is.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 06:06 PM
reply to post by 12.21.12

What part of the US?Also Ill look at that vid in a lil bit,thanx for the info.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 06:08 PM
It's not a video it's an article. Colorado.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 07:25 PM
Has anyone heard of Wilkes-Barre, PA?I learned from another thread of mine that they recently installed 4 million dollars worth of survallince cameras surounding the city(similar to Londons"Ring of steel").But it also came to my attention that part of this tunnel system seems to run through there with a entrance to it there as-well.It seems like more info comes to light on this daily,I hope it continues until.....dare I say we prove its exsistance??!!Also to any deunkers that will say "its for security",this is a peacful town,in the suburbs.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 08:00 PM
Please watch the One Line / Off Topic Posts.

Also, you don't have to reply to each and every post with an I agree or thank you, etc.

thanks, carry on.

posted on Apr, 1 2008 @ 08:17 PM

The following was written by Richard Sauder, PhD, adapted from his book Underground Bases and Tunnels:

The nuclear subterrene (rhymes with 'submarine') was designed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory, in New Mexico. A number of patents were filed by scientists at Los Alamos, a few federal technical documents were written - and then the whole thing just sort of faded away.

Or did it?

Nuclear subterrenes work by melting their way through the rock and soil, actually vitrifying it as they go, and leaving a neat, solidly glass-lined tunnel behind them.The heat is supplied by a compact nuclear reactor that circulates liquid lithium from the reactor core to the tunnel face, where it melts the rock. In the process of melting the rock the lithium loses some of its heat. It is then circulated back along the exterior of the tunneling machine to help cool the vitrified rock as the tunneling machine forces its way forward. The cooled lithium then circulates back to the reactor where the whole cycle starts over. In this way the nuclear subterrene slices through the rock like a nuclear powered, 2,000 degree Fahrenheit (1,100 Celsius) earthworm, boring its way deep underground.

The United States Atomic Energy Commission and the United States Energy Research and Development Administration took out Patents in the 1970s for nuclear subterrenes. The first patent, in 1972 went to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission.

The nuclear subterrene has an advantage over mechanical TBMs in that it produces no muck that must be disposed of by conveyors, trains, trucks, etc. This greatly simplifies tunneling. If nuclear subterrenes actually exist (and I do not know if they do) their presence, and the tunnels they make, could be very hard to detect, for the simple reason that there would not be the tell-tale muck piles or tailings dumps that are associated with the conventional tunneling activities.

The 1972 patent makes this clear. It states:

"... (D)ebris may be disposed of as melted rock both as a lining for the hole and as a dispersal in cracks produced in the surrounding rock. The rock-melting drill is of a shape and is propelled under sufficient pressure to produce and extend cracks in solid rock radially around the bore by means of hydrostatic pressure developed in the molten rock ahead of the advancing rock drill penetrator. All melt not used in glass-lining the bore is forced into the cracks where it freezes and remains ...

"... Such a (vitreous) lining eliminates, in most cases, the expensive and cumbersome problem of debris elimination and at the same time achieves the advantage of a casing type of bore hole liner."

(U.S. Patent No. 3,693,731 dated Sept. 26, 1972)
There you have it: a tunneling machine that creates no muck, and leaves a smooth, vitreous (glassy) tunnel lining behind.

Another patent three years later was for:

A tunneling machine for producing large tunnels in soft rock or wet, clayey, unconsolidated or bouldery earth by simultaneously detaching the tunnel core by thermal melting a boundary kerf into the tunnel face and forming a supporting excavation wall liner by deflecting the molten materials against the excavation walls to provide, when solidified, a continuous wall supporting liner, and detaching the tunnel face circumscribed by the kerf with powered mechanical earth detachment means and in which the heat required for melting the kerf and liner material is provided by a compact nuclear reactor.

This 1975 patent further specifies that the machine is intended to excavate tunnels up to 12 meters in diameter or more. This means tunnels of 40 ft. or more in diameter. The kerf is the outside boundary of the tunnel wall that a boring machine gouges out as it bores through the ground or rock. So, in ordinary English, this machine will melt a circular boundary into the tunnel face. The melted rock will be forced to the outside of the tunnel by the tunnel machine, where it will form a hard, glassy tunnel lining (see the appropriate detail in the patent itself, as shown in Illustration 41). At the same time, mechanical tunnel boring equipment will grind up the rock and soil detached by the melted kerf and pass it to the rear of the machine for disposal by conveyor, slurry pipeline, etc.

And yet a third patent was issued to the United States Energy Research and Development Administration just 21 days later, on 27 May 1975 for a machine remarkably similar to the machine patented on 6 May 1975. The abstract describes:

A tunneling machine for producing large tunnels in rock by progressive detachment of the tunnel core by thermal melting a boundary kerf into the tunnel face and simultaneously forming an initial tunnel wall support by deflecting the molten materials against the tunnel walls to provide, when solidified, a continuous liner; and fragmenting the tunnel core circumscribed by the kerf by thermal stress fracturing and in which the heat required for such operations is supplied by a compact nuclear reactor.

This machine would also be capable of making a glass-lined tunnel of 40 ft. in diameter or more.

Perhaps some of my readers have heard the same rumors that I have heard swirling in the UFO literature and on the UFO grapevine: stories of deep, secret, glass-walled tunnels excavated by laser powered tunneling machines. I do not know if these stories are true. If they are, however, it may be that the glass-walled tunnels are made by the nuclear subterrenes described in these patents. The careful reader will note that all of these patents were obtained by agencies of the United States government. Further, all but one of the inventors are from Los Alamos, New Mexico. Of course, Los Alamos National Lab is itself the subject of considerable rumors about underground tunnels and chambers, Little Greys or "EBEs", and various other covert goings-on.

A 1973 Los Alamos study entitled Systems and Cost Analysis for a Nuclear Subterrene Tunneling Machine: A Preliminary Study, concluded that nuclear subterrene tunneling machines (NSTMs) would be very cost effective, compared to conventional TBMs.

It stated:

Tunneling costs for NSTMs are very close to those for TBMs, if operating conditions for TBMs are favorable. However, for variable formations and unfavorable conditions such as soft, wet, bouldery ground or very hard rock, the NSTMs are far more effective. Estimates of cost and percentage use of NSTMs to satisfy U.S. transportation tunnel demands indicate a potential cost savings of 850 million dollars (1969 dollars) throughout 1990. An estimated NSTM prototype demonstration cost of $100 million over an eight-year period results in a favorable benefit-to-cost ratio of 8.5.

...Was the 1973 feasibility study only idle speculation, and is the astonishingly similar patent two years later only a wild coincidence? As many a frustrated inventor will tell you, the U.S. Patent Office only issues the paperwork when it's satisfied that the thing in question actually works!

In 1975 the National Science Foundation commissioned another cost analysis of the nuclear subterrene. The A.A. Mathews Construction and Engineering Company of Rockville, Maryland produced a comprehensive report with two, separate, lengthy appendices, one 235 and the other 328 pages.

A.A. Mathews calculated costs for constructing three different sized tunnels in the Southern California area in 1974. The three tunnel diameters were:

a) 3.05 meters (10 ft.)
b) 4.73 meters (15.5 ft.)
c) 6.25 meters (20.5 ft.

There are several patents for these machines-which would be used for the tunnel making process needed for the train system.Heres the link to the site:LINK

For a side note it seems like I have stated many times and in this source aswell that after around 1974 this all "disappears",as in no more reference to it,no more patents(that is extremly odd,usualy if something doesnt work someone else will try another design thus another patent,but there hasnt been any.)Also all the people who worked on these patents seemed to have disappeared or suddenly lost intrest in this after 74'.I will bring you all more info in a day or so.(I am busy w/ school and all)

[edit on 4/1/2008 by jkrog08]

posted on Apr, 2 2008 @ 08:36 AM
I wonder why the government would bother to apply for the patents.
I will read that book. I see that I have much to research.

All I meant by who we figure built the tunnels affects a lot is-
If we are saying that the military built them and yet is only planning to let the elite use them, then things are way messed up. This does tie things to a much higher cause then just transportation.

posted on Apr, 2 2008 @ 10:08 AM
Like I said it is about 500 ft down and a couple hundred feet across. Also like I said again I went in the building but I wasn't allowed in the actual thing itself. I have no pictures of the inside of it because no phones or cameras were allowed. If you want some other pics I can probablyget them. If you want I can talk to the person who got me in, because they said if I want I can come back I can. For the time now If you want other pictures I can get them just saay what you want.

posted on Apr, 2 2008 @ 10:48 AM
What is the book about?

posted on Apr, 2 2008 @ 10:58 AM
Here are some of the screen-shots I took on Google Earth of Nixon Power plant last year. Now after viewing these you may want to check out DIA on Google Earth for similar developments.

posted on Apr, 2 2008 @ 11:01 AM
I don't remember about asking what it was for? On almost all of the important buildings such as the area where they would test jet engines there was a blast door about 8ft-10ft high and 12ft wide. In the blast doors in the area where they tested the jet engines there was a security room then you would go into the next room where the control rooms where. But the blast doors were on the right side instead of the left. The "Tower" was behind and to the left of it. Another funny thing they call it a tower but its all underground going down about 500ft.

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