Americas 14,000mph secret transit system

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posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 09:44 AM
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As some of you might know the U.S. is rumored to have a secret highspeed "VHST"(very high speed tranist system).It is used from anywhere to shuttling workers around secret underground bases,to use by favored corporations,shadow government personal,black ops,etc.It is rumored to cruise at speeds of 14,000 mph!!Making a trip from L.A. to N.Y. in 21 minutes!!!.Id like to know what you all think about this.......start the speculations!!


Government whistleblowers and retired military personnel have publicly stated that during their employment they observed that our government has a massive network of tunnels, with super velocity trains, linking secret underground bases. (Thomas Castello, the former Dulce Base security officer, reported to an associate that Dulce had a tube-shuttle station linked to several other secret underground bases.)

At first hearing, these statements seem too far-out to be true. We've all seen television shows about tunnels and they always show how expensive, dangerous, and disastrous near-surface tunnel construction can be. So, obviously an undertaking such as constructing a massive, sci-fi-like network of underground tunnels would take too much money and hundreds of years to build! NOT SO, say scientists!

In 1972, Robert M. Salter, lead scientist with the Rand Corporation, announced during an interview with LA Times science writer George Getz, that a high speed system could be built using existing (1972) technologies. He also stated that the system should be built for environmental and economic reasons. What kind of speeds was he talking about? Try 10,000 MPH! 1972 LA times article


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Can we afford not to make this move if this is true,lets get this in the public-this will solve all our energy/transportation problems RIGHT NOW!
Entrances?




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posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 09:46 AM
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Cool idea, way, way, way, way too expensive.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 09:48 AM
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posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:01 AM
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There is atleast one other thread speculating on this based on the 1972 article. The last picture says something about Civil defense posture and that got me thinking..

that in the depths of the cold war I could defineatly see something like this being built. I don't know about the speed as the G-forces would leave passengers in a jellied mass at the back of the train. Nonetheless is it too pollyanna of me to think that the US actually has a complex underground bunker system that would pleasantly suprise the US citizenry in the event of a global catastrophe?



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:01 AM
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I wonder what kind of tech is used to achieve that speed? magnets? Also where are all the sounds of sonic booms going?14,000 mph is way over the sound barrier.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:05 AM
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I dont think it would be as expensive as you think,plus the its already been built more than likely,even if it hasnt I think the benefits would outweigh the cost by alot-think about all of our energy problems and transportation problems.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:09 AM
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I blieve the tech is magnetic in design,but it is also in a vaccum-that is what alows such high speeds.The sonic booms arnt heard cause its in a vaccum-thus no air and sound waves to propigate.As far as inertia goes I have heard two theroies
1.It gradually speeds up.
2.It uses inertial dampening.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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Sonic booms and the overall vibration of the system would be major problems. Also exactly how do you stop something traveling 14,000 MPH in a normal fashion. Where did the money for this come from and why was it built? I am not buying this.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:31 AM
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Sonic booms and the overall vibration of the system would be major problems. Also exactly how do you stop something traveling 14,000 MPH in a normal fashion. Where did the money for this come from and why was it built? I am not buying this.

As I said THERE IS NO SONIC BOOMS,it is in a vaccum.As far as the money-have you heard of the black budget-that is where the majority of defense dollars go.Now for stopping it it prolly uses reverse polarity.
It was built for rapid transit across the U.S.,possibly the world.

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posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:32 AM
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Even with the so-called black budget, there is no way in Hades America could afford this with current technology.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:37 AM
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At first hearing, these statements seem too far-out to be true. We've all seen television shows about tunnels and they always show how expensive, dangerous, and disastrous near-surface tunnel construction can be. So, obviously an undertaking such as constructing a massive, sci-fi-like network of underground tunnels would take too much money and hundreds of years to build! NOT SO, say scientists!

In 1972, Robert M. Salter, lead scientist with the Rand Corporation, announced during an interview with LA Times science writer George Getz, that a high speed system could be built using existing (1972) technologies.


Heres some Los Alamos patents for the drilling machines used to bore the tunnels:Patent 1
Patent 2
Patent 3



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:42 AM
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There was a time in the 90's (maybe late 80's) when there were reports of constant rumbling under Southern California. Was all the material for the interstate highway system from local quarries? I don't understand what the laser tunnel borers do with all the stone they remove.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:42 AM
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Define current technology!

We all know that the military is at least 25 years ahead of the mainstream... At least.

There are tunnels all over the UK, that are known about from WW2...

Drilling tech is way ahead of where we think it is.

MonKey



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:48 AM
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A Rand corporation physicist has devised a rapid transit system to get you from Los Angeles to NY in half an hour for a $50 fair. He said existing technology made such a system feasible and so does a cost analysis. The essence of the idea is to dig a tunnel more or less along the present routes of U.S. highways 66 and thirty. The tunnel would contain several large tubes for East West travel of trains that float on magnetic fields, moving at top speeds of 10,000 mph. Passengers would faced forwarded during acceleration, backward during deceleration.

According to R. M. Salter Jr. head of the physical sciences department at Rand, the idea of high-speed train travel using electromagnetic suspension was first put forward in 1905 and actually patented in 1912. The trains he suggested now would be single cars rather than actual trains, and would be big enough to carry both passengers and freight, including large containers and automobiles.

Could Carry Automobiles

The cars, or gondolas, would leave the New York and Los Angeles terminals at one minute or even 30 second intervals. On the main line their would be intermediate stops at Amarillo and Chicago. Feeder lines would meet the main lines at both locations. Their would also be subsidiary lines coming into the two main terminals from such cities as San Francisco, Boston and Washington. The main idea of VHST, or Very High Speed Transit, developed originally in thinking about the satellite program and hyper sonic aircraft speeds.” Salter said in an interview at Rand. “The underground tubes were for suggested as alternatives, perhaps not quite seriously, but it was soon apparent that the idea of a tunnel containing such tubes had a lot of real advantages.” he said.

Conservation of Energy

In the first place, he explained there is the extremely important matter of the use and conservation of immense amounts of energy needed to move the vehicles at such great speed.

“An airplane that travels faster than sound uses up a large part of its available energy supply just in climbing to an altitude where the speeds for which it is designed are possible.” Salter said. “That’s true of rockets to. Much of their energy is spent and lost forever and getting above the atmosphere.”

This would not be true for the VHST gondolas traveling on their electromagnetic rail beds, according to Salter. The tubes would be emptied of air, almost to the point of vacuum, so the trains would not need much power to overcome air resistance. They would not even have to be streamlined. In addition to an electromagnetic roadbeds, the opposing electromagnetic loops of wires in the floors of the gondolas would be super cooled with liquid Helium to further eliminate electrical resistance.
Just as important, the gondolas would, like old-fashioned trolley cars, generate power as they break to a stop.

“Since the trains would be leaving New York and Los Angeles simultaneously every minute, the power generated by cars breaking coming into the terminal would be transferred to the power lines propelling the cars going the other way.”

“For example, there will be halfway points between each stop. Trains would use power and getting to that halfway point, and generate power going the other half of the way to the stop. Each would use power generated by trains going in the other direction.”

That is the way trolley cars have operated for eighty years - taking power from the overhead lines while accelerating or running along at a steady speed, and putting power back into the lines while breaking or coasting. The big drawback to the Salter scheme is the cost of tunneling across the nation. He admitted that it would be expensive but it does not daunt him. “After the tunneling was finished, everything else would be practically free.” He said. Even at the low fair he proposes, the enormous debt created by the tunneling would be amortized within a reasonable period if the number of passengers and the amount of freight came up to Salter’s expectations. He figures the tunnel’s would carry seven or 8 million tons of freight a day and that passengers would take to traveling back and forth between the Eastern West Coast has readily as they now fly between San Francisco and Los Angeles.

“The technology of this is much easier than was developed for the space program.” Salter said.

And tunnels, he added, need not be so expensive to dig is people think. The most expensive thing about surface routes is the acquiring right-of-way and removing buildings that stand on the chosen route. The tunnel would not incur this expense. The tunnel, besides carrying tubes for passenger and freight gondolas, would carry many of the utilities now strung across the countryside on high wires. Salter said these underground power “lines” could be super-cooled with helium, like the electromagnetic loops in the floors of the gondolas. He said this would so reduce resistance that power could be transferred from one end of the country to the other without appreciable loss. At the present time long distance transportation of power is difficult because of the amount of energy wasted.

He said laser beams could be carried in the tunnel for the instantaneous transmission of messages. Even the mail could go cross-country in pneumatic tubes carried in the tunnel. All this would save money and speed amortization, thus cutting the overall cost of tunneling. Salter said approximately 8000 miles of tunnel were dug in America and Western Europe in the 1960s. That includes mine shafts. But he said existing tunneling technology could be vastly improved. Salter said many tunnels are dug nowadays almost as they would have been in the dark ages. Drilling holes in tunnel faces, and using machines with rotary bits are methods of tunneling that can be improved, according to him. He said the tunnel could be worked on from a great many “faces,” for instance. Salter suggested, too, that electronic beams or even water be used to drill holes for blasting. The high-powered electrons would drill blasting holes almost instantaneously.Source extra DIV



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 10:52 AM
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Travel by Airplane

Projections of future airplane and automobile travels in the United States, and the future train and truck transfer of freight, show that Salter’s tunnel idea is not a science fiction fantasy. There will be more room in the tunnels for all the necessary transport than there will be over any feasible number of Airways and freeways and tracks. Salter’s suggestion, according to the experts who have had a look at it, is an eminently practical one for handling all the necessary traffic cleanly and without clogging up the air and surface pathways.

But it will such a system ever be developed? Salter himself is not optimistic. “Perhaps” is how he puts it.

“I am not nearly so optimistic about the political aspects of the problem as I am about our technical capability of doing the job.” He said.

“History shows that some obviously feasible and practical projects, such as the tunnel proposed over and over again for connecting England and France under the English channel, can be put off for centuries because of political pressure. On the other hand, societies with relatively primitive technology can perform such engineering feats as the erection of impairments.”

Is the VHS T too far out? Salter suggested that to get the right perspective we should look back 100 years.

Comparison Made

By comparing transportation a century ago and transportation today, one gets a better feel for just how practical VHST is. It appears to be a logical next step, and much more practical than its alternatives of filling the highways and Airways with more and more individually guided vehicles. “This alone is a compelling reason for the high-speed system.” Salter said. There are others, according to him.

“We can’t afford any longer to continue indefinitely to pollute the skies with heat, chemicals, not to mention noise, or to carve up the land with pavement.” He said.

“We also need to get the trucks and many of the cars off the highway to make the roads available to drivers who drive the family car for fun and convenience.”

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posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 11:13 AM
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I think the G's exerted on the passengers of these trains just about makes it impossible....



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by PokeyJoe
I think the G's exerted on the passengers of these trains just about makes it impossible....


Did you not read about how they face the passengers a different way for accel/decel.........and keep in mind it might employ some type of "inertal G dampener"it is postulated that this tech might be alien in orgin or we had help from them.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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Facing a different way would make no difference, and I have no idea how such a damper system could possibly work-such a device has not been shown to exist.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 11:29 AM
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jkrog, nice research and interesting material. Thanks for posting it. As someone else said, govt research is at least 25 years ahead of what the general public knows. For all we know, they found a way to overcome the pull of gravitational forces on people. We have no idea what they've been up to, therefore, anything is possible.
Thank about some of the other crazy ideas the govt has had. You think they're not crazy enough to have underground facilities where they hide ET's? I wouldn't put anything past our govt.



posted on Mar, 24 2008 @ 11:36 AM
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Thanks forestlady..............I ve found this as well:

"You cannot say how much these things cost. All you can do if you want to find out is add-up the numbers on the Budget that aren't assigned to anything that actually means anything. There are these huge categories that have tens of billions of dollars in them that say nothing but 'Special Projects...' And every year the Congress dutifully passes this bloated budget that has some $300,000,000,000 or more with HUGE chunks of cash labeled like that: 'Special Projects,' 'Unusual Stuff.' -- Ten billion dollars. O.K., well where does the 'unusual stuff' money go? Well, it DOES go to 'unusual stuff', that's for sure, and one of the places it goes is that it goes into the underground bases. Indeed TIM said recently since the publication of his book [BLANK CHECK]... MORE Black Budget money goes into underground bases than ANY OTHER kind of work. "Now I don't believe that 35 billion, which is the approximate size of the black budget money that you can find by analyzing the budget, I don't think that comes CLOSE to the real figure because there is absolutely unequivocal evidence that a great deal of additional money was generated in other ways, such as the surreptitious running of guns and drugs. And one wonderful example of that is coming to light with the B.C.C.I. scandal which I hope you've heard of... a number of very high-ranking American officials are caught in the undertow of the BCCI tidal wave... Even though these guys are tying to pull 'fast ones' on an immense scale they are getting caught. These things don't always work. Indeed they are very, very vulnerable.

Indeed this whole 'end game' is very vulnerable and that's why they feel it requires such secrecy. The American people wouldn't stand for this stuff if they had the information, and that's the reason why we have to get the information out and take it seriously because it really is a matter of our money and our future that's being mortgaged here. Link



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