the titor experience:
Excellent points as well. Formal Education most definitely plays a major role.
I was thinking about asking the Mods to allow the first two posts of this thread to remain editable. I could use the first one to add in the
additional points from the thread in bullet format. The second post could be used for an expanded version of it. The names of those collaborating
would be added as co-authors. Not sure about the idea though, what's everyone think?
abelievingskeptic:
Oh no, that's the right question to ask. They do not feed off the positive energy and that's a way to ween them off of you. We just simply stop
feeding them. If the energy they expend to keep you producing begins to outweigh the energy they are getting, then they are forced to change
strategies. When they reach the end of their strategies and the point of diminished returns is reached, they are forced to move on. For most people,
general societal programming is enough, whereas those humans that have sold out keep the fear going (like the MSM for instance). But there are those
that are figuring it out and they become a threat. They may be given more individualized attention depending on the level of their energy producing
abilities.
Yes, it is human nature, now. It is learned behavior. I am in no way absolving humanity's part. I think it should be looked at objectively.
There's one thing that kinda bugs me though, that I find is another example of pervasive programming. It's often stated that "We are this" or
"We are that", usually in reference to 'warlike' and other not too pretty ideas. But reality actually paints a much different picture given the
wide enough perspective. Out of all the people on the planet how many are actually fighting? And how many of those want to be fighting? I'm
willing to bet that it's actually a very small percentage of overall society that really wants to go out and kill others. Most people just want to
live, have a family, have enough food, have some good friends, and enjoy some of their life.
I'm not saying that humans could not or would not have come up with these coarse emotions. But I think trully, the questions about our true nature
should be more personal. If everyone on earth was given the absolute truth of existence, there would still be those that choose to enslave others for
self gain. So it really comes down to who we each are personally. I know that by nature I am not prone to hurting others. Most everyone I know is
the same way. And looking at general human behavior, outside of the MSM programming of always showing our bad side, most everyone I see is generally
good natured. Going further still, I think that we possess the ability to be the darkest entities imaginable or the shine brighter than the sun.
And that brings us to the point of the physical realm. How do we choose to interact with existence? Choosing the dark path will lead to a point
where the energy needed to maintain survivability is cut off to the point where that energy is needed from others. The coarse energy is always sought
for self which clogs the "pipe" so-to-speak. The finer energy, the "good" energy as we say, is given freely. Therefore, it doesn't block the
infinite flow from within. The more "good" energy that's given the more that can come through.
The grand conspiracy is not all inclusive, only very pervasive. Humans, as free-will potential gods, are not nor could never be completely
controlled. They must trick us into limiting ourselves; defining ourselves.
In the end though, it comes down to knowing yourself. Are you by nature an evil creature that seeks only self pleasure at the expense of others? Are
the rules of society the only thing holding you back from going on a murderous rampage? When you are around others, are you constantly plotting to
take advantage of them, be they family or strangers?
Those are great questions, abelievingskeptic. And an excellent contribution to the thread.
Skyfloating:
Indeed, that is the purpose of this thread. Thank you for the concise clarification.
forestlady:
I like that song,
we want your soul. In one sense, I agree with your statement of difficulty.
However, after looking at things from many different perspectives, I've come to find for myself that the difficulty is the best component for growth.
This change in thought also allowed for a clearer view which increased my ability to see more opportunities for spiritual growth.
Shar_Chi:
Diet was mentioned, but feel free to add. Yes, the consumption of flesh, excellent point. That wasn't specifically mentioned. That's a deep
rooted one there and quite possibly very important.
hILB3rT
Thanks for sharing. I would have to agree. I think it's one of The major components to this. The mind must be free. But I think it must also be
healthy. The Neo-Tech material called the mind disease, mysticism. They stated the roots to the disease are laziness and dishonesty with self and
others. This is something I have found to be accurate when doing self study and it appears to be common among others, as far as I can tell from
observations.
"The cloud is blocking the sun." No, it's not. The cloud is completely incapable of that. But that lazy speech keeps our perspective limited.
That sentence isn't a big deal. The problem is that our thoughts and speech, again from what I have seen, are not held to scrutiny. How often do we
lie to ourselves?
Freeing the mind, to me, is of utmost importance. Here are a few things I had down for this thread but didn't add because they didn't quite fit the
flow yet.
- The mind is infinite (in potential) since there is nothing any of us are incapable of thinking of.
- Existence is also infinite (in potential).
- The Mind and Existence are interlaced as one. Mind-Existence forms ME. The mind being the matrix where existence is born with neither ever trully
being separate.
And well, while in the flow here, I'll add a few more things I had written on the thread but didn't post.
- Each zero point has infinite expansion potential.
- As awareness, you are the very fabric of existence and individually possess the ability to expand infinitely.
- The universe is nothing more than a grand illusion meant to prompt curiosity and facilitate existential maturity.
CavemanDD
Great post yourself and more excellent points.
WorldShadow
Yes. When you are able to see the patterns of energy exchange (even without aural sight), it's not something you can switch off. In fact, it
becomes more pronounced. Situations fit patterns and are seen played out over and over. Watching yourself when interacting with others (humans do
feed off this energy) is quite interesting. I think it's a viable study, seeing how people try to produce an emotional state in you and then seeing
their reactions to you subtilely blocking their attempts. Or catching yourself trying to get emotional food from others. The statement "misery
loves company", gains new depth to it's meaning. Those humans that are now addicted to the coarse energy will find their own ability to produce it
becomes less and less. They will need to get it from others more and more. Eventually, they will be at the stage in evolution of our
'gatekeepers'. They will need to enslave lower life forms in order to survive.
, do you think that contributes to
the Violent Society, and if so, then that would be part of the huge Conspiracy.
forgot to post the link. but it is a good thread. it was one of the first threads that attracted me to ats 
