Lets just say 4 arguments sake that money was NEVER introduced! People just trade for stuff and work for the heck of it. Wouldnt the world be better off? I think it would. There would be NO corruption! What would people want that they couldnt get by trading???

Just a thought people



[Edited on 23-2-2004 by John bull 1]

Originally posted by they see ALL
Lets just say 4 arguments sake that money was NEVER introduced! People just trade for stuff and work for the heck of it. Wouldnt the world be better off? I think it would. There would be NO corruption! What would people want that they couldnt get by trading???

Just a thought people

Well money makes this much easier... especially with loans and banks. Otherwise we'd all be writing IOU notes as we borrowed things. How would you lease or rent something without money?

Some people are also unable to work (elderly, kids) so the government would have to provide them with free STUFF instead of welfare. "here... have some cheese little boy.. it's good for you".

There were cultures and still are cultures without a monetary system... and they're just fine. But there's still corruption... those cultures have "chiefs" that are in charge of some armed guys who basically make you give the chief some of your stuff or something... like 10% of the crops you grow etc.

Money or no money, corruption and greed are human trait, and money is by no means the "root of all evil". It is simply our orientation and desires that establish our relative position in society (good.. bad... evil...criminal...hero.. whatever).

lilblam- be4 i joined ATS i read ure posts and learned alot from u. i thank u and i want 2 say one thing 2 u: U R DA MAN!!!

Money = materialism, money is not the problem but the problem is the idea that money represents. But then it is the variability in human aspiration and need that causes problems. One can decide for themself what kind of life they desire.

If anybody wants go to Russia where 99.5% of the people are desparate, there you can have your socialism.

the times of the primitive civilisations were quite fun, actually. Without the invention of money we would be on the cultural and technological development level of early Sumerian civilisation...

[Edited on 22-2-2004 by Johnny]

WOULD THE ENTIRE WORLD BE BETTER OFF IF THERE WAS NO MONEY???

I am ahead of the cruve I am broke already

Better go sell the computer then if your broke

Seriously, I doubt it. It would be VERY primitive again, wild west stuff. And corruption wouldn't be gone, they, like it was stated, would just use force to give freely INSTEAD of trading objects...No, money has done good and bad things, but so did trading, and it got wiped out = /

-wD

The biggest mistake was allowing private corporations to become the bankers to governments. The federal reserve act is what destroyed the USA and the drafters of that act are the true criminals in my opinion and not George Bush.

People just trade for stuff and work for the heck of it.

I take it you haven't met many of these "people".

They do not, and will not, "work for the heck of it".

Communism really just doesn't work. If there is no reward for work, then work will not be done; humans are lazy, they always have been, and they always will be. It sucks, but that's how it is.

i agree with webdevil.
i doubt anything would be different. money has no real value in the sense that it can only be used to trade. for example if you have a cow you can produce milk or trade it, with money its only use is for trade. removing money from the equation would just be cutting out the middle man. people would still be corrupt, theyd just have to trade more directly.

No because then how are we going to get people to work and do services without money?

for the heck of it like the old days!!!

at the moment people get money from work to buy goods with. without money, corporations could just give their staff goods. its just streamlining the equation.

Originally posted by they see ALL
lilblam- be4 i joined ATS i read ure posts and learned alot from u. i thank u and i want 2 say one thing 2 u: U R DA MAN!!!

Look, if you want an autograph just see my agent!

Well, I'm here to serve you guys, to make you THINK and use your mind to see past the illusion of our supposed reality, and to find the truth where others falter and submit to the system of control.

LOL

NIICE words.

I thank u again...

Originally posted by Johnny
the times of the primitive civilisations were quite fun, actually. Without the invention of money we would be on the cultural and technological development level of early Sumerian civilisation...

[Edited on 22-2-2004 by Johnny]

Ouch! Too bad there aren't any early Sumerians here to object

Money does NOT equal advancement, as advancement is relative. What you think is advanced may be primitive from the point of view of another civilization.

Those who built the stonehenge and the great pyramids used the technology of sound wave focusing. They used sound waves to manipulate and move huge massive objects that our "advanced technology" would be hard pressed to replicate. They did all that without any metal or computers or complicated machinery. They used a few simple tools, and KNOWLEDGE of how it is done. Like I said, what you define as advanced is by no means universal, and the word advanced is a deceiving concept. Our civilization is comforted by the thought that we're "less primitive, wiser, more advanced" etc than the peoples that came before us. Well, whatever makes you feel special...

But objective reality does not conform with personal desires and relative notions of "advancement" or "good" or "evil" or anything else for that matter. Such notions are deceptive, but are taken as fact by way too many people.

Does it looks like the world is an improved, better place due to our "advancements"? Is there less famine, less suffering? Did we REALLY improve the status and condition of mankind with what we term "advanced technology"? Well you'd better think twice...

So like I said, advancement is a relative term. Also, don't get me wrong, it is not my goal to improve the condition of anyone, as anyone's perception and subjective judgement of anyone else's condition is also relative and subject to change based on outlook. However, the point I'm making is the overall situation and condition on this planet (let's not call it good or bad or anything else, it is what it is) has not really changed much if at all.

The benefits of our "advancement" are also our own illusions, and silly ideas that you somehow NEED or require these advanced gadgets to promote your own idea that you are somehow "modern" and "advanced", as it seems to be a comforting thought for many people. Humans have much to learn, eh?

[Edited on 22-2-2004 by lilblam]

In theory I could see the world being a better place...

Well as the saying goes "the love of money is the root of all evil".

But I doubt an advanced modern civilization could operate without it.

[Edited on 22-2-2004 by kinglizard]

Even without money, people still won't work without getting anything in return. And back in the "old" days, they did work for something. Precious metals, gems, and the most important, food.

lilblam- do u have a website about the buildings of the pyramids with soundwaves cause that sounds intresting...

EmbryonicEssence- i agree with u also, so why cant people work 4 gems and food NOW???

ALSO- does any1 know how 2 put a picture 2 the LEFT under yer name???