Originally posted by augoldminer
Some people do not know how the Internet works.
One when i travel and want to send emails i just drive my motor home around a town till i find a unsecured wireless connection.
Does anyone else see the irony there?
many times it is a computer store like circuit city.
And I'm sure sometimes it's some innocent guy's home network. I really doubt you're selective about whose network you use.
as for the FBI sting what they are doing is going on a underground pedo chat room.
yes they have underground chat rooms.
Yes, so far you still haven't said anything that we haven't been saying.
they find pedos in the chat rooms that want to trade photos.
what they get is the photos the pedo trades plus the pedo goes to the FBI honey trap to download the trap photos
This is where you start to be wrong. Re-read the original article. This isn't about the tried-and-true methods that have previously been in use. This
is a new method, in which they just go to these forums and post links for all the world to view, in exchange for nothing. The wording of the post was
something along the lines of, "If anyone has more, please post." In other words, this sting wasn't designed to target a specific person they were
already investigating. Keep reading before formulating a reply, because the rabbit hole gets deeper.
this let the FBI track the pedos ip plus lets the FBI break in to the pedos computer if he does not have a very good firewall.
IP numbers are a two-way street. If the FBI can identify the downloader's IP, the downloader can track the FBI's. Now, keep in mind these videos
showed a garbled mess of nothing. As soon as the downloader viewed it, they would know they were being played for something. There was no hacking
involved on the FBI's part. Read the article. It was just arresting people who click a link. There's no sense arguing otherwise, the article was
VERY clear about this.
No, it doesn't keep anyone from clicking the link.
this keep anyone from accidentally finding the honey trap with out the password
As I just illustrated, if the downloaders have half a brain on their shoulders, they're
going to know the link was a set-up as soon as they watch the video and see that it's a fake. If they were feeling malicious, they could then send
the DIRECT LINK TO THE VIDEO to other people.
They might do this in the hopes that the FBI's servers would be flooded with too many requests to track. They might do this with the plan of arguing
in court that they were just one of the people that they themselves tricked. Or they might just do it "For the lulz," as one user here put it.
We all know that nobody's going to click the originally posted link on the underground web site unless they are actually guilty. BUT!!!! The bottom
line is, anyone who's used the Internet for more than five minutes knows that there's no measure in place at all that prevents the honeypot video
from being linked to from somewhere else.
they have the photos the pedo sent. and him logging on to there site with a password that the FBI gave him in the chat room.
READ THE FREAKIN ARTICLE. There was no password or login to the FBI servers required to download the video. There were no files being sent from the
downloader to the FBI. This was a link, posted for a bunch of people to see, and nothing in place to stop those people from reposting the link
elsewhere, and disguising it as something else.
this leaves the pedo with no way to explain what he was doing on the cp site.
most just plead guilty. a few blow there brains out before trial.
The issue isn't "explaining why people were on the site." The issue is the fact that you could be sent to these videos without having ever been to
the site in the first place, courtesy of the sick freaks who *have* been there.
the FBI is not the only one doing this. the military does this on there bases.
i got this info from a computer guy that works for NCIS.
Military courts and justice operate differently from the civilian system. This happens for a reason. Regardless, neither you, nor your friend at NCIS
seem to be filled in on the details of this sting operation. I'm willing to bet that you told your NCIS friend what you *think* is happening with
this sting, and he agreed that it's commonplace. If he were made aware of the *actual* method of this sting, he would probably be right here arguing
against you on this.
Nothing else you said pertains to this debate, some of it was off-topic, and the shameless plug for the software was flat out spam. Frankly, the half
of your post I haven't quoted would be deleted for spam and off-topic discussion if this were my site.
If you're not convinced that what I'm saying is true, let me quote for you a snip of the original article which you obviously haven't read (but
A CNET News.com review of legal documents shows that courts have approved of this technique, even though it raises questions about entrapment, the
problems of identifying who's using an open wireless connection
These questions wouldn't be issues if this were the type of investigation you believe this to be.
The FBI has recently adopted a novel investigative technique: posting hyperlinks that purport to be illegal videos of minors having sex, and then
raiding the homes of anyone willing to click on them.
Notice: The arrest comes from the link click, and requires nothing but a link click.
There's no evidence the referring site was recorded as well, meaning the FBI couldn't tell if the visitor found the links through Ranchi
or another source such as an e-mail message.
This is the part we are complaing about. You people need to stop acting like we're complaining about the arrest of pedophiles, and actually READ.
Since you obviously haven't yet, go read The article this was sourced from
(Edit to fix BBCode.)
[edit on 30-3-2008 by mattifikation]