Mahabharata, Evidence of Ancient Nuclear Wars

reply to post by Hanslune


Fascinating. Are there any cultures which might display a discrepancy in this model? I know that Ancient Rome had brain surgery (Though the name of the gent who performed it first in Rome escapes me). Didn't the Egyptians have dentists and such?

of course, we'd be talking about much earlier than those civilizations if we're to hold to the 'Ancient India' Theory of things.

Many people proposing such theories are of the opinion that ancient stories of wondrous things and powerful beings might be a relation of actual events happening that were written down with the limited manner of conceptualization possessed by ancient man.

Ancient skull cutting in PDF

T rephining in the ancient world HTML

Tephining was known at that time as were some other basic surgerical abilities - some of the patients actually survived.

The people did some beautiful work with obsidian and other materials.

Until the arrival of "civilization" life was hard but tolerable. Modern hunter-gathers show us that they could live in ease-depending on the seasons (Polynesians probably having the easiest most "eden" like existence) but still would tend to die early from the effects of living off the land and recurrent fevers and infections. Early farmers probably had it harder as stone age farmers discovered in the 18-20th century showed. There hard work allowed elites and specialists to arrive on the scene.

Due to the effects of evolution on skull size women have suffered from birth, a large number of women being lost in child birth. As too were young children.

Ancient people were just like us in many areas, they had dreams and nightmares and they had "believers" too. They could get drunk or use drugs and these people gave us a number of these visions. Modern people still report dreams of flying, etc.




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I remember his name (Now that I have had some sleep), his name was Gaelin and was very famous during Roman Times.

And he didn't just conduct Treppaning, he also conducted brain surgery. He designed a lot of his own utensils as well. The scalpel we use today is based off of a design of his, I do believe.

In any case, what about my question concerning discrepant anomalies in archaeology? There's certainly a lot of books like "Forbidden History" and such, some of which are complete bunk... but I can't expect that all of the OOP artifacts are frauds.

Originally posted by Byrd
The Mahabharata "texts" are actually a well-known hoax. While the book exists, the "proof of ancient war" texts don't. A few have been taken out of context while others have been simply invented, probably because few Westerners have read the books and it's easier to slip a hoax in when the book is originally in a foreign language and has not been read by most of the English speaking world.

Hi Byrd, hmm whats with all these hoaxes? Some hoaxes don't surprise me, but this one does.

Why that translation?

cos that is the translation in my bible.

This has been discussed many times here. The findings are:
* the town is near uranium mines.
* there's no unusual level of radiation in the area
* the devastated town doesn't exist
* now someone's trying to claim "oh...they did the excavation 100 years ago" because the other findings were shown to be lies.

rather frustrating then that lies are so readily available. I just wonder if the people spouting the lies know what they are doing? Perhaps they believe the lies? Or want to...?

Originally posted by Byrd
The Mahabharata "texts" are actually a well-known hoax. While the book exists, the "proof of ancient war" texts don't. A few have been taken out of context while others have been simply invented, probably because few Westerners have read the books and it's easier to slip a hoax in when the book is originally in a foreign language and has not been read by most of the English speaking world.

ok the Mababharata texts are a hoax... are you saying that all of it is a hoax or just the verse that I used to discuss this?

I am doing some further reading on this. I took a quick look at wiki and it doesn't state the texts are a hoax. It does however state some 'additions' were made to the text. Perhaps it is these additions that are false?

Wiki
...the Mahabharata is more than simply a story of kings and princes, sages and wise men, demons and gods.

Brief Description

sacred texts
Is this online version accurate?

cheers

Originally posted by TheColdDragon
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Fascinating. Are there any cultures which might display a discrepancy in this model? I know that Ancient Rome had brain surgery (Though the name of the gent who performed it first in Rome escapes me). Didn't the Egyptians have dentists and such?

And so do some surprisingly primitive people. Trepanning has been done for over 12,000 years. Dentistry in some form or another (even just to knocking out the tooth) has existed for a long time.

And you can't really talk about "discrepancies." Cultures borrow from each other, learn from each other, and what they develop depends on their philosophy and their available materials and the networks of trade. We see ideas spring into being, but they are derived from existing technologies. No culture goes from goatskin waterbags to plastic bottles unless they're in contact with some culture that makes plastics or they are taught to make plastics (and they will do it only if it makes sense within the context of their culture and lifestyle.)

Many people proposing such theories are of the opinion that ancient stories of wondrous things and powerful beings might be a relation of actual events happening that were written down with the limited manner of conceptualization possessed by ancient man.

Sadly, most of them promoting the theories don't have any idea of what ancient people COULD do or how their technology derives from other associated materials and technology. So they believe that the ancient Romans were just "given" the secret of cement by some alien instead of understanding how it was developed from more simple forms and how it developed out of need as the city of Rome grew larger and there was a need for sturdier buildings (multistory buildings)

ok the Mababharata texts are a hoax... are you saying that all of it is a hoax or just the verse that I used to discuss this?

The ones about ancient nuclear wars. Other texts about high tech weapons are often "reframed" from the original text. It's sort of like lifting a few sentences out of Harry Potter and declaring that England manufactures working magic wands.

sacred texts
Is this online version accurate?

As far as I know, yes. I haven't exhaustively checked it.

Originally posted by TheColdDragon
reply to post by Hanslune

 

I remember his name (Now that I have had some sleep), his name was Gaelin and was very famous during Roman Times.

And he didn't just conduct Treppaning, he also conducted brain surgery. He designed a lot of his own utensils as well. The scalpel we use today is based off of a design of his, I do believe.

There are also medical/drug recipes found in ancient Egyptian texts, and we even have some from Sumeria and Babylon and China. There's a lot of these technologies around... but they're not celebrated and talked about except in rather stuffy papers.

www.biblegateway.com...

The KJV says subdue not replenish.

Democritus:

"All there is, is atoms and void"

500 years before Jesus popped out. How the hell did he figure that one out then?

The word "atom" is a Greek word that modern science borrowed to describe what we call atoms today, and they do not refer to the same model at all, other than they are too small to see.

That's how. We stole the word and are using it in a different way.

Harte

Thank you Byrd for sharing your knowledge again and educating me

Hi to Harte also (NJE777 here)
I did laugh to see in your mood your still appalled
You have been appalled for ages!

anyway, I feel disappointed with the lies. Perhaps I am just one of those people who want to believe that ancient civilisations were more advanced than us today and experienced a war of some sort.

Maybe I am influenced by what St Germain offered up too? Very interesting what he offers up, perhaps it is just another fantasy:

Genesis = Gene of Isis
Adam = Atom

He spoke of Atlantis, Lemura being destroyed by nuclear war and it resonated with me and I have this inner quest going on to find answers. Perhaps there are no answers to be found. The Mayans believed we once lived in the stars, funny, I spend a lot of time, gazing up at them longing to go 'home'...

All we really have a stories,myths: Epic of Giglamesh and Iliad etc

It would be great to have something tangible to go with.

I have read that the Epic of Giglamesh 'might' provide evidence of an ancient nuclear war too, but perhaps that is more of the Harry Potter stuff?

ah well.

Originally posted by Harte
The word "atom" is a Greek word that modern science borrowed to describe what we call atoms today, and they do not refer to the same model at all, other than they are too small to see.

That's how. We stole the word and are using it in a different way.

Harte

Almost, but not quite, and it still doesn't answer the question.

Atom is actually Anglicised from the Greek "atoma" which means "indivisible unit" (so theoretically there are no "sub atomic" particles, we just set the "atom" too high in the list).

So what this means is he established that you get to these invisible, indivisible units and nothing else. How did he come to that conclusion? Why wouldn't he assume it was atoma and aether? Surely something has to be there - i'm sure all his senses gave him the same information mine do, and I can't detect the presence of void in the daily world, no matter what I do.

Hi guys . Just want to mention a few confirmed points .
1. The great war mentioned in mahabharat actually occured as per the texts. One of the prominent part is when the war was about to start and lord krishna told arjuna why it was necessary to fight the war for a good cause( separate text in book bhagwat geeta).

2.The war mentions use of weapons known as bramastra( weapon of brahma-father of all gods )that had the capacity of doing pralaya(end of earth )

3. These weapons as per the texts were handed over by bramha to warring parties before war in order to satisfy two sides when he made a mistake of giving it to one party after he was being worshipped by them.

Everything i mentioned here is derived from text from the old paperbacks which i read and so i do believe something of that sort happened but on what scale i don't know.

And about aircraft that particularly ramayan(text considered much older than mahabharat) mentions about in rather taboo way as if it was a forbidden technology !!! but there have been books regarding this known as vimanashastra(science of aircraft ) though i have only read about them in newspapers only.

May be that helps or not !

Originally posted by Thurisaz
Thank you Byrd for sharing your knowledge again and educating me

Hi to Harte also (NJE777 here)
I did laugh to see in your mood your still appalled

You have been appalled for ages!

Slightly less appalled now that I hear from you NJE777.

Now slightly more appalled that you're under a different username.

See how that happens?

What, you hiding from someone?

Harte

Originally posted by C.C.Benjamin

Atom is actually Anglicised from the Greek "atoma" which means "indivisible unit" (so theoretically there are no "sub atomic" particles, we just set the "atom" too high in the list).

No, it means we use the word "atom" to mean something slightly different than the Greeks, because after we started using it we found that atoms were, in fact, divisible.

Originally posted by kislay
but there have been books regarding this known as vimanashastra(science of aircraft ) though i have only read about them in newspapers

The Vimanyka Shastra, though mentioned in ancient texts, has never been found.

What we have today is a version of that text that was "channelled" in the first half of the 2oth century.

Harte

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Howdy Harte

Yet another way to get blue-green glass ("atomic glass")

Blue-green glass

They knew about the effects of nuclear weapons in the first have of the 20th century?
Why are you folks so set against there having been a higly techmologicaly developed civilization before us. Hurt your ego or something?

The bible is hoaxed too?
There are numerous passages telling about "god" flying in the sky.
Psalm 18:7 described the lift off of a rocket.

Gen: 19
24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground.

The Sumerian texts also relate the event and the aftermath.
- a deathly cloud that caused excruciating death to all living beings, people and animals alike, that withered plants and poisoned the waters.

ILL WIND

EGYPTIAN FLYING VEHICLES

INCA ARTIFACTS

Any hoaxing of the Mahabharata would have to have been done in recent times. I would not call it a well known hoax. The earlier translations seem to have contained the disputed passages. Some English translators left out passages that did not make sense to them.

Howdy Ohzone

Why are you folks so set against there having been a higly techmologicaly developed civilization before us. Hurt your ego or something?

Speaking just for myself I have this thing about reality and truth. The brutally cruel facts are: no evidence of higher technology anywhere. you have some people who believe that religious texts equal technology but that is a matter of opinion.

I see you are using Sitchin as a source, unfortunately Sitchin isn't a reliable source for anything concerning science. His translation are at best bizarre and at worse, "made up".

Try looking up Sitchin's quotes

The Ill wind is relating a barbarian invasion - I would recommend you read the actual translations of the tablets instead of Sitchin fanciful ones, I given a link above.

Abydos and the gold demons have been beaten to death here - use the search function. They are not indications of modern technology.

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I totally disagree with the proposal that there is no record of flood in ancient India. I would ask you to read ancient scripture Shrimad Bagwat. It has records of flood and please note that it was before any other civilization in middle est.
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