reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
LL you do make a lot of valid points about previous cases in the judicial system. Once again no system is going to be perfect. Yes you are right bad
cops, politicians and Government administrators can and do perpetuate fallacy in our system. Point made, but I am not seeing that with this
discussion.
Looking back at the article, when the Officer arrived at the scene and found the door unlocked he also heard screams come from inside the residence.
At that point I think with the amount of information he or she had about the call, there was more then enough justification for him to enter the
residence with his gun drawn. Over 52% of Officers that were killed in the line of duty were killed while arriving at a scene or while a crime was in
progress, around 19% of those officers were killed while making approach or entry.....So should an officer have his weapon drawn at every situation
NO, but in this case I think with those percentiles in mind and the situation it more than meets the criteria for having his weapon drawn.
Also and again you make the case that the Officer here did something wrong. We don't know that. In fact I am not even sure that is what people are
debating here, but that is your assertion. OK, whatever you want to believe. So far I am not seeing any facts supporting this, and as for your mind
set to shoot someone in the leg, I would far more agree with you about using the less then lethal option, as the Courts in this land frown upon
wounding someone, citing that if it was a life threatening activity it should be returned in kind, an officer wounding someone sets up the city,
department and officer for lawsuits. And if it is not life threatening activity you should not be shooting at them.
Once again, if he is found to have acted outside the line of his training, department policy or did this because he is a dirty cop, then yes we should
hammer him.
I really do like your comment about the range of weapons and the usage thereof, that does show good examination on your part. Once again there are
some things to keep in mind here.
1.What type of space was between the Officer and the Lady
2. What was the layout and distances of the room
3. What was the weapon and how much of it did the officer see ( I have heard about three diff accounts on this so far)
4. How quick was she approaching, How fast were the warnings given and how much communication happened before, during, and after. To whom was all the
communication with and to and from who.
5. what was the duration of the incident and the totality of the circumstances involved
6. How did the officer make entry, when did his weapon initially come out.
7. Where were others involved in this incident, did they just hear it, were they in the room, what was their location in the room.
All these things and many others are things we do not even know, but we get on these website where the title of the article really did not even meet
the substance of the article, of course a lot of people read what the family member said....who is of course appauled that he lost a family member (by
the way he did not witness any of it, and who would not be upset at the loss of a family member.) If I was the family I would certainly be searching
for the totality of the circumstances behind the shooting.
Here is another question for you, what was going on with the Psychotic episodes how long had they been going on and what was that history, what meds
or lack of meds was the patient on and if these homicidal episodes had been on going why hadnt the family signed the affidavits to have her in a
treatment plan in-patient or out.
There are a lot of things to consider here, with information that has not been provided to you me or any one,.... that is why I am not saying give
this guy what he deserves, we can all second guess the actions all day, but the fact is, the opposition to this officer are not considering what they
dont know prior to making their judgements upon the officer. The examination is quick and without full reference, that is the bloodthirsty notion I
was speaking of (why would you ask me to provide you with the proof that exists on this very thread......Look with your eyes grashopper not with your
mouth)
As far as you listing me as a foe, respected or not, this is just a discussion and I do not list you or anyone as a foe. If I knew and I could help
you I would, regardless of who you are and what you believe. Besides you never know there might be another issue we actually agree on. Like I said,
you make some valid points, I just don't think the totality of the circumstances is known enough, based on the article to make a judgemental
determination
