completely normal particle interaction sensationalized. the case of the electron ''knowing'' it's being watched has to do with the measuring tool interacting with it and the experiment. the laser photon used to ''see'' where the electron is bounces off the tiny bugger causing it to act different. i agree, the macro world, our world and the tiny quantum world are mysterious and wonderful but confusing people like this doesn't help anything. oh well i guess the makers of this particular film have families to feed also.

edit: do some googling on your own, read some articles and decide what to believe for yourself

[edit on 23-3-2008 by Iseek]

Originally posted by Iseek
the case of the electron ''knowing'' it's being watched has to do with the measuring tool interacting with it and the experiment.

This is laymen's explanation. Every person and his dog has considered this possibility. Unfortunately, there is no proof that the device is capable of affecting the electron - don't you think they would have tested for such a variable? It is their job to consider such things...

I'm more willing to accept the information provided by actual physicists...

I’m aware that a few people are ‘allergic’ to the Ramtha part in the movie – perhaps to the whole concept delivered in the movie. Therefore I invite you to have a look at a different angle to Quantum Mechanics and with a timeline of physics / quantum physics:

Take note at the first part (8:50min). The brain of a dog is not wired to understand. Makes me think: Are we wired to understand this topic?


The Elegant Universe part 1

Google Video Link

The Elegant Universe part 2

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Enjoy

PS: This is a Theory (not a dogma) and so is the Rabbit hole and the Bleep movie…

I think it is wonderful that so many are enthralled by this subject. It has been a fascination of mine for 20 years now. But, although this is relatively new to us in the west, it might be of interest that the quantum field is not a contemporary discovery.

I own a set of books "Advanced Course in Yogi Philosophy" by Ramacharaka that was published in 1904.

Here are some excerpts:

"...still more recent discoveries have shown them (scientists) that their Ultimate Atom is not ultimate at all, and they are now hunting for another Ultimate Something in Matter. They will find, as did the Yogis thousands of years before, that when they reach their "Ultimate" in matter it will disolve and melt into Force and Energy, and then they must hunt for the Ultimate atom of Force. Advanced science has hinted at this very fact within the last few years, and we may expect the fact to be accepted generally before very long. When the scientists then probe Force or Energy until they find its "Ultimate," they will come to a melting point when the elusive Force will dissolve into Mind-substance, and that back of "Mind-substance" is the Absolute. But that is a long way off for the physical scientist, although an old fact for the Yogis."

This was published in 1904 - One year before Einstein published his first work.

The Yogis knew all this 3000 years ago through meditation - going "within" instead of looking "out there" as western science. Yet both arrive at the same destination.

We are the physical manifestation of a probability pattern in the quantum field. We are made of it so it should not be a surprise that we have some influence on it. But there are rules/laws that govern the material realm and these impose limitations. We have not become gods yet and have a long way to go. Mind over matter works - but in small ways. Don't look for New Age miracles but do study and ask questions. The journey is worth it if you don't fall into one of the many traps that litter the trail.

Hopup

About time the materialist came around to reality again. There is an old saying. " When the scientist finally scale the last summit of knowledge.
They find at the top a large group of theologians. That have been their waiting for centuries." Materialist have always just been to fearful; to
expand their horizons. Because they are afraid they might find God.
Dawkins book, "the God Delusion", is a perfect example of this fear.

The Bible says. " We all have our life and breath, in God". "also that
the light of God is in every man, that is born into this world".
Now they just need to accept and allow the idea of the, (God Head), and they'll be there. Where many of us have been for years!

[edit on 23-3-2008 by Howie47]

Originally posted by Howie47
Materialist have always just been to fearful; to
expand their horizons. Because they are afraid they might find God.
Dawkins book, "the God Delusion", is a perfect example of this fear.

Excellently put. The only 'God Delusion' is the idea of the man floating in the clouds... and religious scholars do not ascribe to that idea. Atheists do. It is after all, a far cry from the metaphysical reality which quantum physics is now realizing.

There is no man in the clouds... there is only this multidimensional universe which we are just beginning to understand. Time for science and religion to accept this.

[edit on 23-3-2008 by NewWorldOver]

Originally posted by Howie47
About time the materialist came around to reality again. There is an old saying. " When the scientist finally scale the last summit of knowledge.
They find at the top a large group of theologians. That have been their waiting for centuries." Materialist have always just been to fearful; to
expand their horizons. Because they are afraid they might find God.
Dawkins book, "the God Delusion", is a perfect example of this fear.

The Bible says. " We all have our life and breath, in God". "also that
the light of God is in every man, that is born into this world".
Now they just need to accept and allow the idea of the, (God Head), and they'll be there. Where many of us have been for years!

[edit on 23-3-2008 by Howie47]

Awesomely put.


Genesis states that God "spoke" the world into existence. Speaking creates waves does it not?

I've been beating the drum for the longest time, here and in other places that 'energy' is something but made out of nothing. A wave 'traveling' through water for example.. The water molecules move back and forth while the 'wave' moves through it. It's obvious the water molecules are 'solid' so to speak but what is the wave -itself- made out of? Energy is nothingness but it effects things around it and we are all made out of it! This is the ultimate abstraction and Down the rabbit hole touches on this very eloquently.

The energy=nothingness mystery is one of the three mysteries in Down the rabbit hole that I find totally amazing.

The other two are the two slit experiment and quantum entanglement.

The 'debunker' types can sort of get their teeth into into the two slit but quantum entanglement? they can't touch it.

Down the rabbit, although without proof, makes many profound, inescapable implications which I'm sure the dogmatic box people don't like. Well, the dogmatic box is just that, a BOX and I for one find more joy thinking -outside- of it even if it means running into God. (I have already by the way)



Great views and great thread. VERY thought provoking.









[edit on 23-3-2008 by ViewFromTheStars]

Wow. Surprising these ideas are so well accepted here. This is sort of the jumping off point for the Law of Attraction thread. From here you can begin to understand what is going on there. And yes the quantum version is better. Learn its possible and then learn how to create miracles. Force the molecular sea to bring what you want.

Great videos, just finished all 14, and even watched 15/16 the credits. I already cant wait to watch them again, I gotta find the dvd.