Are Atheists Air Brushing History?, page 78
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reply posted on 5-6-2008 @ 07:25 PM by Allred5923
reply to post by undo



Sounds as if it would be a "One-sided" belief scenario to me, I don't believe in any of that stuff, dealing with a higher power or almighty, omnipotent creator anyway.
There are no true evidence's, you just believe they are, the proof that is so wanted to justify your particular belief system or ethics, it wouldn't impress me either way.
I am usually watching the tube or reading articles that either falsify religion, or back it. There will never be an end to any of it, only an end to us, we all die sooner or later, then you will know for sure.


reply posted on 5-6-2008 @ 11:29 PM by Allred5923
reply to post by undo



I suppose you could say that , if you think that there would be anything to convince me that there is a proof positive artifact or some kind of physical evidence that would be of any significance not just to the world , but to the arguments here on ATS, "Bring it on."
But I am sure it will be the same research presented by many others, and the work is always done by someone that is a religious person , or a believer of some sort of higher power.
For the most part, I am happy being who I am and I don't really want to waist your time either.
But feel free to post your research for the others that are interested, nothing wrong with sharing.



reply posted on 5-6-2008 @ 11:53 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by undo



undo....there is something larger than we can imagine.

Some wish to call it a 'God'. That is their perogative. When it is ascribed, as a 'god', then it is prayed to, and 'preached' about....then, the baloney begins, because the 'flock' is told what to think, when to bow, how to 'believe'......

If you wish to welcome a higher power into your life, then do!!

But, it is a personal choice, a personal path. It is individual, not mutual!!

Never, ever should anyones personal opinion be imposed on another.

That path leads to Totalitarionism....

WW


reply posted on 6-6-2008 @ 11:43 AM by Bigwhammy
reply to post by weedwhacker



Never, ever should anyones personal opinion be imposed on another.



Never ???? Ever???

I beg to differ! Morality is not an opinion.

Is it wrong to impose my opinion that rape is wrong on serial rapist?



reply posted on 6-6-2008 @ 01:05 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by Bigwhammy



BW, not a valid analogy. Rape is obviously a violation of a person's rights. So is a mugging, a theft, and the ultimate, a murder. These are crimes. A sense of 'morality' isn't the guiding principle here...it is the sense of how civilized human beings treat one another.

"Morality' does not have to come from the Bible or the Torah or the Quran. Every human with a normal brain knows this. It is how society works, at least when you grow up in that society, and understand that your actions, if against the understood and accepted levels of behavior will have consequences....consequences not good for you.

Problem is, as I mentioned those three books, the sand keeps shifting....one person's view of 'morality' is very, very different from another's. A traditional Muslim believes that a woman's face must be covered in public. That is their 'morality'. Any woman who defies that simple rule, is subject to great punishment. That is their view... other people have different views. Strict Muslims believe, in their view of morality, that 'honor killings' are warranted. I happen to find that abhorrent....yet it is accepted, within the confines of that religion.

Christians, throughout the centuries, have done no better, in my view, as it comes to being vicious, bloodthirsty amoral villians.

(Putting on flame-resistant suit)....it is not the religion that is to blame.

Let me make my point clear: It IS NOT the religion that is to blame! It is what people....fallible humans... do under the guise of their 'religion' and false 'morality' to do evil upon others.

OOPS....I used the 'E' word. That is shifting under the sand too, isn't it?

I think....compassion and love are the key, not petty bickering. Isn't that what Jesus Would Do????


reply posted on 7-6-2008 @ 06:57 AM by Bigwhammy
reply to post by weedwhacker



You are right that morality doesn't come from a book or from the traditions or opinions of men. It is written into your conscience by your creator. That's the only reason "everybody" knows it as you just said. Thanks for proving my point.


reply posted on 7-6-2008 @ 07:59 AM by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Bigwhammy



looks like christians are airbrushing psychology now...

it's an aspect of human evolutionary psychology. morality is something that is not entirely universal, as certain cultures practice things that are seen as atrocious by other cultures, especially when you look at history. however, the general basis for morality does come from the psyche. there are certain intrinsic things that we hold to be right and wrong because such things are beneficial to the survival of the species, thus those "hard-wired" notions got passed on through the generations.


reply posted on 7-6-2008 @ 04:48 PM by Conspiriology
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to
post by weedwhacker



You are right that morality doesn't come from a book or from the traditions or opinions of men. It is written into your conscience by your creator. That's the only reason "everybody" knows it as you just said. Thanks for proving my point.


I don't think that is how he is going to look at it however whammy and the below post by madnass is closer to where I think they are getting this idea from which is none other than the guy that claims we are half man half chimpanzee, the manpanzee himself, zoo keeper Dick Dubya Dawkins.

In his book the selfish gene he goes into a lot about memetics another theory of his in his agenda to make an issue of our belief in God. They even have a website Dawkins supports that can test you for the God gene and cure you of it. I think about that everytime weed or the other Atheists have made fun of that Rev Tophat guy like they have any less whacked out Atheists as Theists have.

This can be found at the rational response squads website where they never lose an argument and those creationists that make a soild argument, get deleted. Their have been lots of books on the subject but all seem to be copying the Bible adding their own Darwinian spin on it so to speak. www.google.com...

You may even be getting setup for a strawman here so becarefull or,, hell Ill just diffuse this whole idea in my post to m]madsass.

- Con
PS: Undo, that would be a splendid idea.

[edit on 7-6-2008 by Conspiriology]


reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 06:48 AM by Bigwhammy
reply to post by madnessinmysoul



It is atheists (secular humanists) that are airbrushing morality. Just because people interpret things somewhat differently does not make morality relative the moral law is still absolute on peoples perceptions of the circumstances are relative.

You might say East Indians have different morals because they will not eat cows and Americans do. But that is not so. Indians perceive Cows as sacred, perhaps even housing the souls of their relatives. Americans do not. Yet Americans do not destroy sacred things or eat their relatives either, so the moral law is not different - just the perception of the circumstances.

You also might object that morality changed because we do not burn witches anymore. Well we used to believe witches murdered people and destroyed crops with curses. We don't anymore. However murder and destroying crops is still immoral and we still punish it. We just do not believe witches have that power. So morality didn't change just human knowledge. The Moral Law is absolute.


reply posted on 8-6-2008 @ 06:50 AM by Bigwhammy
reply to post by undo




Well now, isn't THAT interesting. I'm waiting on Whammy to say yea or nay. Maybe I should ask one of the mods for this forum, as well?


Hey sorry I was slow on the uptake, I'm not a thread Nazi... please take it where it leads.

I look forward to you new thread as usual undo...
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