Are Atheists Air Brushing History?, page 75

reply to post by Gigatronix

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Umm according to their beliefs.
We are ALL sinners.
Themselves included.
Remember the whole religion is based off the idea that we are imperfect and only through obiedence to the church err I mean "Gawd" (though many don't see a difference) are we to be redeemed?

So sinner is just another word for human with them.

reply to post by WraothAscendant

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So sinner is just another word for human with them.

That's right. Also note the definition of sin is disobedience to God. So it should not hold any sting to an atheist.

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by WraothAscendant

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So sinner is just another word for human with them.

That's right. Also note the definition of sin is disobedience to God. So it should not hold any sting to an atheist.

Hehe so when you say sinner, you mean human, is that right? So by your own definition, you're a sinner too? So you're no better than the rest of us then, nor any smarter. Basically we're equal then? I can live with that, I'd rather be equal to you than have you telling me you're better than me.

Imagine that, a respectable believer like yourself is equal to a godless morally bankrupt degenerate like me.

reply to post by WraothAscendant

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I'm feeling the pressure now too

He means because I believe in sin and have knowledge of Gods standard - I can not claim ignorance as an excuse. It's on my shoulders to be a good example. undos right it can be a pain. Luckily - I can model myself on the gentleness and meekness of conspiriology.

[edit on 5/14/2008 by Bigwhammy]

reply to post by Conspiriology

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well, i'm still in opposition to the continuance of this thread as it seems to exist for the singular purpose of making a single group look bad for engaging in a very human practice that is nearly universal and is in no way unique to that group

Originally posted by Bigwhammy
reply to post by WraothAscendant

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Luckily - I can model myself on the gentleness and meekness of conspiriology.

mwahaha
that was priceless.

reply to post by madnessinmysoul

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I think some people live for the conflict. (On both sides)
Which is why this argument amongst soo many other pointless arguments persist.

reply to post by bobafett1972

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Well said! The privilege of writing History goes to whoever had the biggest guns and killed the most people. Sad, but true.

reply to post by undo

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Exactly the Jews were slaves to the Egyptians yet their history was preserved better than the Egyptians. In fact the Jews were whipped around and enslaved by the Babylonians as well yet most of our history of the Babylonians comes from Jewish sources...

Gee I wonder why?

Perhaps It was....

divine intervention

Poor Con! He stepped in that one!

But he knows we love him.






[edit on 5/15/2008 by Bigwhammy]

reply to post by Bigwhammy

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As an avid reader of anything by Richard Dawkins, a 21-year Christian-turned-Agnostic, and a firm believer in the scientific evidence that is evolution, I find it offensive (and sad) that you assume I have a "world view" that is Darwinism or materialism, or that we are all "communists." It shocks me that you believe that the only reason a person would be a good humanitarian would be due to belief in reward after death. I am a medical pathologist and devote my life to the sick. I am actively involved in several "causes" including animal rights, child welfare, and eradicating malaria in Africa. I don't do these things because I think I'll be rewarded after death, but because I want to do them. Being raised in a devout Christian home, I know firsthand that Christianity is highly revolved around a materialistic reward after death (i.e. "mansions" and "streets of gold"). So, please don't assume that anyone who doesn't believe in God lives a life of materialism, and that the Christian afterlife isn't based on that exact ideal.

In addition, when I first read "The God Delusion" I also did not totally agree that exposing a child to religion was "child abuse." However, I had an experience that changed my mind. I recently attended a funeral for an infant baby, whose 5-year old sister was "saved" and "repented and gave her life to the Lord." It was so disturbing to me that this baby was allowed to make those kinds of decisions without even knowing there are other options for her. I saw myself in that child, and began to understand the reality of the abuse that Dr. Dawkins mentions in his writings. These children are brainwashed (which is abuse), simply because they are not allowed to be exposed to all their options before determining the path of belief, or non-belief which they will tread.

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