Hey wraoth,, you have a good time while you were away? Good to see you back old friend. I see you are up to your usual standard miles above par. Damn I bet Atheists hate you lol


I love it when people tell me can't we all get along when I have such good friends that are wiccan pagan etc.


I got to go settle ashley down, I just read her rant and we all start comparing notes about all these u2u's. While Theist get called "scumbags" and not one of us got offended. We just figured we were in the upper ten percential that are not. hehhe you know you are getting your point accross when the opposition gives you a pet name lol


Mines Cosmetology = )

I kinda like it

- Con

Originally posted by weedwhacker


Conspirology....

You seem to be on a 'tag-team' of your own, thank you very much.

Sorry you feel the way that you do.....but it is YOUR RIGHT.

See how simple that is? It is your right to think, or even, dare I say it? BELIEVE as you do.


Wow....but guess what? While you have every right to believe what you want, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to impose your beliefs on anyone else.

To be in a tag team? just what the hell does that mean?

I have enough problems loading web pages on my 32k connection much less being in some round robin voice chat about who is going to be the one to say "Tag" you're it.

That is a point of this thread....No one, who is an atheist, is influencing history. Well, maybe a few books RECENTLY! But please, show us, with sound evidence, historical facts that show a huge influence of atheists.....as compared to the well-documented....for thousands of years...influence of theists, and the damage they have done.

These have all been answered already.

AND, please....don't bring up again Communist China, or Communist Russia....because you know full well that, within those Governments, the people practice religion....problem is, it's not the religion you find acceptable....and that is the problem.

Is their any other parameters I am allowed to not answer in ? As far as you knowing what I think,, I never argue with mind readers.

WHO has the 'correct' religion....???? Hmmm????

I have often answered this regarding fine wine where I have always said "The best wine, is the wine YOU like"

So I guess Ill let your conscience be your guide.

Good luck with that.

- Con









[edit on 3-4-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by WraothAscendant
So says the guy that pushes til they start pulling out that BS.
Stop trying to pretend your the victim.

...um
i was just told i'd be warned if i brought up another personal post
the staff didn't give so much as an edit to a post that questioned my sexuality

i think i can i rest my case on that.

You probly were to begin with I know how big of an idiot a lot of Christians can be I had to deal with the same crap. But your going on the offensive and then bitching (atheist bashing service? rrrriiiiggghhhhttttt) when you get your own medicine.

get the quote right thrashing not bashing
...and my own medicine?
i've been told that i'm courteous and quite rational and fair minded on issues. something that you've yet to acknowledge of me there.

If you want to want to be criticized DON'T CRITICISE OTHERS!!!!

...i think you might have mistyped this one
however, i get what you probably meant
the problem isn't the criticism, it's what's being criticized. i criticize a belief, so someone starts a thread criticizing atheists. people and beliefs are two different things.

Or do you think you have some sort of magic right to attack others who have not attacked you because others of their belief system attacked you?

please, demonstrate where i have attacked someone because someone who shared a belief system with them attacked me.

Yet you preach atheism and refuse to be swayed even when offered proof that your wrong on certain things.

i don't preach atheism, i'm letting people know about it.
i don't throw random atheism stuff into threads where it doesn't belong, i even play along with theology on here when i find the topic interesting....hell, one of my more recent topics was simply a theological question as to why there aren't more books in the bible

...and where have i been offered proof that i'm wrong and denied it?

Your a zealot of your religion, get over it.

no, i'm not. again, you've yet to prove these claims about me. i have no religion and would gladly accept that i'm wrong when presented with the evidence.

And it's especially telling that you keep falling back on the troll name calling.

ahem

Your a zealot of your religion, get over it.

pot
kettle
black

and i'm not calling you a troll, i'm calling the post a troll

Especially considering I am just refuting you and you consider that trollery.

how full of yourself that sounds

you haven't refuted anything, you're just throwing out accusations that most on here would actually disagree with, even many theists

Sort of like when you jump in over your head with insulting everyone else and get beaten you whine about bias.

i've yet to be beaten on here

...am i going to have to challenge someone else to a debate? because it's kind of funny that you keep saying that i'm being "beaten" and "refuted" when you're not really doing it and i keep dismantling your arguments piece by piece and then you complain that i call it trolling when you bring up the same arguments in a thread where they aren't even the topic.

And for someone who claims to not know or believe you sure do ALOT of preaching.

um...where's my thread on the virtues of disbelief?
in fact, where are any threads that exalt atheism?

the inquisition: done in the name of a religion (not saying it follows that standard of the religion or that the religion was the explicit cause, but it was the explicit rallying cry and that cannot be denied)
(insert communist atrocity here): done in the name of the state

Yes blame and remove the excuse. Don't deal with the true problem.
Do you have ANY inkling how stupid that is?

how stupid it is?
i'm arguing that religion, like the state, can be used to justify horrible atrocities regardless of what the religion stands for.
i'm dealing with the true problem here and all you do is fall back to "do you have any inkling how stupid that is?"

you, good sir, lack a coherent argument (which is rare for you, even if i do tend to disagree with you on a lot of things you do tend to have a coherent argument quite a bit more than most) and do not know what to do

Considering the fact that in the case of the Norse gods.
Alot of Norse farmers that NEVER went to war and still worshipped their gods.

...i was making a joke.
seriously, you keep picking out my jokes and then attacking them as if they're part of my argument.

You know nothing of that belief system that much is obvious.

actually, i know quite a bit of norse mythology. i also know quite a bit about their culture and stuff

i was just making light of the fact that the myths themselves are very action packed and violent.

Amongst many other things.

ah, the subtle insult
good for you.

As for the rest.....
Not even bothering with that considering the fact you start to contradict yourself.

please, point to the part where i do
because i don't.

And the part about MM is answered for me. BY A MOD.

argument from authority
<-not actually laughing, just making light of how smug using this emoticon seems

that's all i'll say about that because you're intrepid will warn me if i say more (how luck you are on this)

Long story short.
You put your beliefs on a pedestal and knock all others.

i don't have any beliefs.
we've gone over this.
i lack beliefs.

And then scream persecution when called on it.

i scream persecution when people get away with spewing homophobic remarks, outright lies, and other bigotries while i get told i'll be warned for something light

Textbook intolerance.
Which is what needs to go.
You can't fix a problem that is at it's VERY BASIS intolerance with more intolerance.

if i'm so damn intolerant, why do i get along so well with theists?
why do i attend religious services to experience other cultures?
why do i engage in discourse within the confines of theology when the mood strikes me?

and why, oh why oh why oh why, has nobody else called me on it?

i'm a lot of things. sometimes i'm a bit smug and a bit too comedic for my own good, but intolerant? pfft.

seriously. you have nothing here and you're just diverting everything off topic. the one on topic thing you addressed you just said was stupid and really didn't have anything else.

As I have said before, I also use my critical thinking skills and resent being called a dumb fairy in the sky worshiper. Because my critical thinking skills led me down a different road than you have chosen does not a stupid person make.

However, I'll acknowledge that you have just as much right to believe what you do as I have to believe what I do. What I don't think is right and is disrespectful is to try to call anyone who is not atheist stupid and non-scientific in their thinking. I am and have studied the universe.

I, nor any Christian here, I believe, mean any harm to anyone; atheist, pantheist, anarchist or whatever. I just find it ironic that those who call the kettle black, so to speak, are the ones most verbal in their insults.

Oh, and by the way, I was where you are at one time...but more agnostic than atheist.

And, I will leave this here. Frankly I'm tired of the drama.

[edit on 4/3/08 by idle_rocker]

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul


...um
i was just told i'd be warned if i brought up another personal post
the staff didn't give so much as an edit to a post that questioned my sexuality

i think i can i rest my case on that.

Well lets put it into context shall we,, You made an assertion as to where I was getting this "stuff" from then asked if it was my rectum. You then tell Ashley in more detail that you were merely wondering. Now madd,, it was the second time you had made a reference like that to me and in another if memory serves, you used the word "sphincter". The use of that word was used by another Atheist regarding whammy also.

Now it is commonly known that Gays have a certain fascination with such things and in the interest of finding out why you insist on saying such things, I came up with two suppositions. One with the disclaimer that it had nothing to do with prejudice but to suggest that you either have expressed indirectly, questions regarding homosexual proclivities in either you or me, and that I was not gay or perhaps you were just sugar coating the ad-hominem expression that I had my brains in my arse. I asked that you please refrain from such tactics but I see you are using my handling of YOUR initial actions as justification to instigate more trouble over something that should be long dead and over.

get the quote right thrashing not bashing
...and my own medicine?
i've been told that i'm courteous and quite rational and fair minded on issues. something that you've yet to acknowledge of me there.

Yes and I have been told I get the suppositions for all my arguments from my rectum. Now,, I ask you was that courteous does it seem quite rational and fair minded? Do I not have a very good reason to with hold any claims thereof regarding your alleged worthiness of the aforementioned affirmations.

I think not and HOW DARE wraoth have his own opinion for seeing the same tactics and arrogance displayed by anyone he deems fits the description. How Dare he make a typo or read a word wrong or mis spell without a firm reprisal. I must admit I would not feel I have the room to make such critical demands as to tell someone off for something I know many of us at one time or another are guilty of and why it is so easy to forgive without a second thought much less condemnation.

...i think you might have mistyped this one
however, i get what you probably meant
the problem isn't the criticism, it's what's being criticized. i criticize a belief, so someone starts a thread criticizing atheists. people and beliefs are two different things.

No, Madd,,wrong again, it IS the criticism.

When I say Drug use is stupid, it is the drug USER that feels affected and ashamed while the Drug does not acknowledge your criticism. Your intent can ONLY be to shame the drug user, unless of course you think you can hurt the drugs feelings. The same is true of The Christian and his belief in God. When you say "believing in God is Stupid, it is the believer that is affected and insulted not the belief for belief does not acknowledge your criticism and your intent can only be to insult the believer. This is now the fourth time I have given this very simple to understand explanation.

i'm not calling you a troll, i'm calling the post a troll

Ok this is now the FIFTH time I will explain this. The post does not acknowledge your criticism so it cannot be insulted unless you want to hurt the posts feelings. We know better then that however and as silky as the Teflon double speak might be to escape incrimination by others, it doesn't get past me and I am CERTAIN it won't get past wraoth. Your intent can ONLY be, to insult the author of the post. Using words like troll having no constructive application is indicative of your further intent, one to hurt having no other intended use.

What a tangled web we weave

i don't preach atheism, i'm letting people know about it.

Madd,, did I just hear you right? YOU have said and I quote "Atheists don't have any beliefs" So what in Gods name do you have to tell anyone about! When you can answer that then please tell me what the difference is between telling someone about Atheism as you most certainly have done with more zeal then many preaching about their religious belief especially when NOBODY asked what it is you don't believe Nor does anyone care. People tend to care about what you believe what you stand for NOT what you actively don't believe and can't stand for in others who don't share your void of belief.

where have i been offered proof that i'm wrong and denied it?

The below quote says it all Madd.

i've yet to be beaten on here

you haven't refuted anything, you're just throwing out accusations that most on here would actually disagree with, even many theists

I have always winced while reading your exchanges with Wraoth. Call it sympathy but I sure as hell wouldn't be so quick to say he couldn't refute your argument. In fact, I haven't seen anyone come close to escaping Wraoth's expertise when it comes to cross examination of the facts. My opinion is you would not stand a chance in a debate with Wraoth and although you would lose and lose handily in my opinion,, you would still not stand corrected. It is for that reason I would also advise that he declines and stays on the boards where he is most appreciated.

i scream persecution when people get away with spewing homophobic remarks, outright lies, and other bigotries while i get told i'll be warned for something light

If you are referring to me,, I already went over that with you three times now.


After Wraoth makes his point below,,

As for the rest.....
Not even bothering with that considering the fact you start to contradict yourself.

You say,,

please, point to the part where i do
because i don't.

Well here it is

i don't have any beliefs.
we've gone over this.
i lack beliefs.

Did you not say to me "I didn't say I believed their is no God, I said I don't believe in God"

This is typical Teflon double speak and begs the question,

do you believe God exists? Please answer Yes or No and only Yes or No the same way you would in a witness chair. Just yes or no without all the semantics please.


Thank you

- Con


[edit on 4-4-2008 by Conspiriology]