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Are Atheists Air Brushing History?

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posted on Mar, 26 2008 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by idle_rocker
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..and here is where I first explained that I never said they supported it. They have however proved that they are willing to give it a fair hearing which effects their credibilty. If they are so against Young earth theory.. why post anything on it at all without condemning it? There's no half-way fence sitting when you are talking scientific fact.


Ah, the "fence-sitting" science site. How would science ever get anywhere if there weren't open doors to other ideas *sigh*. But since Reasons is a Christian site,

bingo. CHRISTIAN site.. not a scientific site. Agenda.. everything on there is designed to validate a belief system which requires FAITH. I am not interested in being converted or buying dvds.. and do not have faith in it so am unable to blindly believe what it says.

It AIR BRUSHES scientific history and evidence to suit it's own purposes.


keeping an open door is fence-sitting. I guess that shoe fits on the other foot as well. So if they open the door to evolution, that won't be fence-sitting I guess...THAT will be true science.

I appreciate your appreciation of my effort in finding the article. But your above quote just doesn't make sense to me.


The young earth myth is hardly a new story.. and pretending a 'research project' into it is scientifically credible is an absolute joke.


I notice you completely avoided the issue of scientific objectivity. Rather than providing a non christian REAL scientific source to back your claims you've basically accused me of being closed minded.


Obviously you either could not find one or were not willing to look. Perhaps you are afraid of the prospect of REAL scientific fact contradicting your beliefs.
..perhaps you're just "not open to other ideas".

Yet again ..since you seem to have yet ignored my main point:

Asking someone to accept "scientific information" from a religious site as fact is NOT reasonable.

[edit on 27-3-2008 by riley]




posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:16 AM
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riley, this is why I enjoy your posts so much!!!

While I am on record of eschewing the 'pulling' of selected quotes from other's posts, I applaud your restraint in only 'quoting' that which is pertinent, and not spinning the person's post out of context.

riley, you get a star for that!!! And, of course, for being a beacon of sanity as well!!



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:24 AM
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Are you just disputing the site itself or the theory of the big bang and the old earth theory? I'm not getting it. You wanted me to prove they don't believe in the young earth theory, and then wanted more info. When will it stop? How much will have to be published here?


www.sciencedaily.com...


If you're just disputing the site because you think it's biased, I can't help you. It's just a site of science that promotes the OET. But if you don't give it a chance by reading any of it, you won't ever get what it represents. So what exactly is the problem? That it is written by a Christian scientist or that it's a Christian science site? Either way, there is bias on either side of the coin as Undo stated. I don't see that it's airbrushing anything since it agrees with the big bang theory. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but so am I.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:27 AM
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thankyou WW.


I find it kind of ironic that 'christians' are accusing atheists of rewriting history when the net is riddled with chistian propoganda sites rewriting the entire history of scientfic research and sometimes just making stuff up and calling it fact. :shk:

Science will survive this vandalism though.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:31 AM
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riley, you are right on!

And, you're welcome!!!



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:32 AM
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oops wrong post...my bad?

[edit on 3/27/08 by idle_rocker]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:36 AM
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Rocker I've learned how this works through recent experience. When faced with evidence they can not deal with; they avoid it and make excuses. Usually by switching the subject to the source. Like when a recent atheist poster misquoted the Salem witch trial data and made lame excuses about it being misleading. Once they start to do that over and over as a nameless atheist consistently does. Just realize you won the debate and let it go. You can't get back to the real discussion. A recent nameless atheist obviously doesn't want to discuss the original issue :shk: From this point forward it will be incessant whining...



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by idle_rocker
reply to post by riley
 


Are you just disputing the site itself or the theory of the big bang and the old earth theory? I'm not getting it. You wanted me to prove they don't believe in the young earth theory, and then wanted more info. When will it stop? How much will have to be published here?


You are unbelievable. I already posted to you what I wanted and you have ignored it yet again. :shk:

The site itself is not credible. They accept fact.. yet they also accept fiction.

I originally asked you to PROVE there is [paraphrased] "new scientific research that proves a higher order being created the universe". You then told me to go though that site myself and find it or buy their dvd.


Please go back and re-read the begginning of our conversation. I was even good enough to repost it and it seems you still didn't read it. I did not dispute the fact that reasons.org accepts the big bang and an old earth as fact.. however it ALSO accepts the possibilty of a young earth being fact [that research project I quoted proved this].. and is just one example of how it's willing to entertain ideas to validate beliefs so it is clearly NOT unbiased 'info'.

As I said before.. [many, many times]

I do not think it's appropriate for you to expect me to believe everything that site says. Why? Again:

Reasons.org is a RELIGIOUS site.. not a scientific site.

[edit on 27-3-2008 by riley]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
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Rocker I've learned how this works through recent experience. When faced with evidence they can not deal with; they avoid it and make excuses. Usually by switching the subject to the source. Like when a recent atheist poster misquoted the Salem witch trial data and made lame excuses about it being misleading. Once they start to do that over and over as a nameless atheist consistently does. Just realize you won the debate and let it go. You can't get back to the real discussion. A recent nameless atheist obviously doesn't want to discuss the original issue :shk: From this point forward it will be incessant whining...


Of course you're right, BW. And it is just incessant whining about something picked up that someone felt was good bait to use as fodder for a different side of the issue. Oh well, no harm done. It's just silly. I'm learning fast!

[edit on 3/27/08 by idle_rocker]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:45 AM
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Originally posted by idle_rocker
Of course you're right, BW. And it is just incessant whining about something picked up that someone felt was good bait to use as fodder for a different side of the issue. Oh well, no harm done. It's just silly. I'm learning fast!

You are the one who originally made scientific claims you could not substantiate.
[edit. which was 'new scientific research that proves higher order beings created the universe'.]

I only asked you to back it up with some actual science. You couldn't.

[edit on 27-3-2008 by riley]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:51 AM
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Are you guys DONE talking over peoples heads to mock them publically in the thread?

You are done, right?

Has this thread come to it's conclusion?

Nothing more to say other than quips reminiscant of 5th grade boys?



Cuhail



Oh yeah. Keep it ON topic. The silly stuff can happen in U2Us.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:52 AM
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NEVERMIND! Not going to get in trouble!



[edit on 3/27/2008 by AshleyD]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 12:56 AM
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Rev. Louis P. Sheldon Chairman, Traditional Values Coalition has this to say on the matter at hand.



The Christian-haters should turn their attentions to militant Islam and Atheism as the most serious dangers to the world.The fact is that while religious wars have been fought for centuries, militant atheism has slaughtered more people than religious zealots ever have. The greatest mass murders in history have been committed not by Christians but by Communists Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Tung. More than 100 million have died at the hands of these militant atheists since the early 20th century.

And, one of the first genocides committed in the 20th century was by Turkish Muslims against Armenians between 1915 and 1918. An estimated 1.5 million Christian Armenians were killed during that slaughter.

Elton John, Robert Kuttner, Richard Dawkins and others may want to do more fact-checking before they launch into new tirades against Christianity.

www.traditionalvalues.org...



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 01:06 AM
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So you are posting from christian political party sites to prove atheists are air brushing history?


Reads like a witch hunt. speaking of witch hunts..


[edit on 27-3-2008 by riley]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 01:09 AM
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Honestly, Riley. What is the deal? As long as their sources aren't coming from websites like we-hate-atheists.com, you are only being distracting at this point. Not trying to be mean but your constant interjection and :shk:
smilies at everything being said is distracting and, well, irritating.

Exactly what information are you looking to know from a nonreligious source? I'll try to find something. I don't even know what you and IR were even referring to. OEC? Atheistic atrocities? Let me know. Heck, I'll make a website real fast and call it atheists-R-us.org if I have to and post some information there real fast to show how silly your gripe is.

[edit on 3/27/2008 by AshleyD]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 01:19 AM
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I disagree. I think riley asked for a source OTHER than one that is religion based. You can call it whatever you want but the last link was a site who's president is refered to as Reverand.

That's hardly presenting evidence to convince your opponent in a discussion, who's request was simple. One non-religious source.

Cuhail


And Ashley? You've used a few smileys yourself to indicate frustration. Let she who is without sin....



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by Cuhail
And Ashley? You've used a few smileys yourself to indicate frustration. Let she who is without sin....


LIKE HERE?

Oh hush! I did it to mock. Actually, my explanation sounds horrible! Never mind!


[edit on 3/27/2008 by AshleyD]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by riley
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So you are posting from christian political party sites to prove atheists are air brushing hostory?


Reads like a witch hunt. speaking of witch hunts..




Absolutely I am posting the opinion of a religious leader. He has very valid points. Again attack his religion and not the information. Why. Because the information is unpleasant to you. Too bad. :shk: You post the opinions of Scientific leaders. I wasn't having a science discussion with you BTW.



[edit on 3/27/2008 by Bigwhammy]



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by Bigwhammy

Originally posted by riley
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So you are posting from christian political party sites to prove atheists are air brushing hostory?


Reads like a witch hunt. speaking of witch hunts..




Absolutely I am posting the opinion of a religious leader.

A reverend is a person who's is anti-atheist by profession. of course he is going to preach against them. Try finding evidence that atheists have rewritten history from non christian sources.



posted on Mar, 27 2008 @ 01:35 AM
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I've been at communist sites all day studying marxism to hammer down the connection between communism and evolution. I did a damn fine job too, So now I am going to present some religiously biased material. I have a perfect right to. I do not care if you don't accept it. It is for those who are interested.

From an interview with writer Dinesh D’Souza author of the book What’s So Great About Christianity?




Mohler: I think one of the things you acknowledge in your book is that this new breed of militant atheists really looks at what they acknowledge to be the Christian foundations of civilization and argues that they are negative, evil, oppressive, intolerant, and as something we should simply repudiate and grow beyond.

D’Souza: Years ago Bertrand Russell, after he wrote his book, Why I Am Not a Christian, somebody asked him, “If you die and you find yourself before God what would you say?” And Russell, very pompously, said, “I would say, ‘Sir, you did not give me enough evidence.’”

So, this was the old banner of atheism—it claimed intellectual superiority, this sort of search for evidence. The new atheism, however, is also strangely clothed in the garb of morality. It accuses religion, and specifically Christianity, of being behind most violence and evil and war and suffering—and even terrorism in the world. This is atheism that is flying on the wings of 9/11. It demands a new kind of an answer. hey figured out a very clever con in which the religious people are driven out of the public square and the atheist idea of fairness is to have a monopoly of the public space. So, for all these reasons, we live in a culture that is publicly secular. If someone was to come from Mars and visit America, and walk around our public buildings, watch television, turn on the music, read books, you would have no idea that a majority of Americans are Christians. You would have no idea

source



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