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Are Atheists Air Brushing History?

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posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by Localjoe3
When you start studying Music and Math some things become very clear that there is a natural order to life and at one point someone or something (divine creator) Set this order to our universe. Only time will tell but alterations have been made in every generation for monetary regard as to please the people feeding them ............ "Views of the Church"
Joe


I agree Joe. I have studied music for a long time as well. Take a fugue by JS Bach for instance, tonal conterpoint is a science in and of itself. Bach wrote "to the Glory of God" on all of his scores when he composed. The language of music harmony and dissonance is found in nature because of Gods design.

In a similar way, human DNA is almost like Gods version of a music score... excep we are the composition. The way science blatantly overlooks the fact that DNA is information written in a symbolic language is another prime example of atheists trying to air brush God out. Sure patterns happen in nature like snow flakes - but symbolic languages don't occur by accident. That's God.




posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by undo
in every culture where human life is not considered sacred, women are the first to go. and history proves this.


Please. Stop it. That has nothing to do with atheism.

Cardinal Dawkins has apparently commanded that we must first wipe out christians, don't ya know. Then women.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:41 PM
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It has nothing to do with atheism when there have been so many slaughters in atheist countries???

Now, I'm not saying that all atheists are bad. I'm just saying it's disingenuous to say there is no link.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:43 PM
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I think what some are worried about is the shift that appears to be taking place with the secularization. It think Con was working on something (not sure if he is going to go through with it or not) but he dug up some stuff about how atheist radicals are now claiming religion people have a mental disorder and something wrong with our brains. Not to be melodramatic but it does seem awfully 'Hitleresque' and a scary starting point.

I would find this kind of rhetoric scary myself.It sounds positively absurd. But I would say this is the kind of thinking that comes from a deluded idiot, not from an atheist. Atheism may be the horse these kind of people ride in on, but it's their own hate and prejudice that spawns these kinds of agendas. But you are right, those kind of people bring fear and ignorance to the world, and I have no love for them.The fact that they are Atheist just means I file them under "Idiots who use a belief/theory/idea/philosophy as a crutch/weapon/vehicle for malice".

Let's examine the flip side of this. Instead of focusing on the "Don't blame religion/atheism for the worlds problems, blame people", lets look at the other side of the coin.

Suppose we have a person that goes around doing a lot of good things, helping people, inspiring people, lifting up his fellow man.(Yes I know I'm basically describing Jesus here but bear with me). He then says" I do these things because my god gave me this mission, and I do it to spread the good word of my faith" Sounds good, I have no problems with what he's doing. Not only is he virtuous, he's humble, preferring to let his god take all the credit.

Here's the thing: if we would blame man for his evil, even though he perpetrates it in the name of his god, should we not also give the credit to the man that does good, even though he does these things in the name of his god? The point I'm trying ot make is, people do good things and they do bad things, regardless of what they believe in. If an Atheist goes around saying he wanst to exterminate religion, blame the atheist not atheism. In the case of the Inquisition, dont blame religion, blame a bunch of hysterical retards. If a Christian man gives his life to save a little girl, don't thank Christianity, thank the man. If an Atheist does the same thing, thank him, not your own god(since the atheist has none I bet some religious types would thank their own instead)



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:44 PM
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it doesn't matter if atheism has nothing to do with it. it's a
foundational message of Jesus that all life is sacred.
it's a foundational message of atheism that life is not sacred.
when life is not sacred women are the first to go.

history proves it and is still proving it today.

here's another one:
www.geocities.com...

[edit on 23-3-2008 by undo]



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:45 PM
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Originally posted by chromatico
It has nothing to do with atheism when there have been so many slaughters in atheist countries???

Now, I'm not saying that all atheists are bad. I'm just saying it's disingenuous to say there is no link.


I think you mean communist.

And there's been so many slaughters in theistic countries.

so, it would disingenuous to say there is no link.


it's a foundational message atheism that life is not sacred.
when life is not sacred women are the first to go.


No, it isn't. Atheism says not one thing about such things. It is a philosophical view on one thing alone - the existence of gos/godesses/sky fairies.

Sacred is a crap word. That life has value is not something atheism speaks to. We have broader world-views for that, like Humanism et al. Atheism doesn't speak for abortion, or vegetarianism, or stamp-collecting either.

There's not much point here, is there?


[edit on 23-3-2008 by melatonin]



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:46 PM
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I'm sorry, these are the only atheist countries we have to work with. They are atheist AND communist, but the comparison still must stand.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by melatonin
And there's been so many slaughters in theistic countries.

so, it would disingenuous to say there is no link.


Do you people hear yourselves? Or do you just pound away at the keyboard before thinking?

So apparently if a country is lead by an atheist who murders 50 million people, there is no link...

but if a country is lead by a supposed religious person (who is usually a Roman Catholic - and not a real Christian ) then we are free to draw as many conclusions as we want?

Please. You atheists do airbrush history and you do it poorly at that.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:50 PM
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the link is the view of the sacredness of life!
all life is sacred.

when someone in charge doesn't think life is sacred, what happens?
war, murder, etc. who wants that in control of our nation or our planet?
not me. i don't mind if they are here, or that they have a different viewpoint,
but i do mind that they are believing that life isn't sacred, as a woman.

if it's a survival of the fittest scenario, why the pretense? why not just kill the women off now? might as well instead of sitting there pretending like you actually give two shiiiits, about anything besides your malehood.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:52 PM
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coc aine flakes? ritual sacrifices? your not making any sense



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by looneylupinsrevenge
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I wonder though just what is your definition of atheism?


A person who doesn't believe in God.

I find it amusing that atheists are the ones who create a couple different definitions to pull out as it suits them. Trying to nail one down is like herding cats.



Dawkins pointed out something in that video you posted that I found interesting (and I will agree with him on this point at least, though I will admit I don't agree with a lot of what he says). If there is a god, and he created us... just who created him?


That's an absurd question really. God is eternal. No beginning - no end. Oh do you find that ridiculous? Well next time you do a physics or a Calculus problem what about that infinity sign that gets used over and over. Scientists routinely talk about an infinite universe. Why not sn eternal being that lives out side of time. I AM .



You want someone to claim responsibility for Atheist crimes... well fine I will admit that that many Atheists have killed over the centuries, countless in fact. Yet you never hear of a person killing for Atheism, why is that? In the age we currently live in, where news can travel the globe in a matter or minutes, why is there no report of Atheists killing for the sake of Atheism in general? Yet we constantly hear about killing for a religion or in the name of a god. Why, because when an Atheist kills, he or she kills because they want to, they feel the uncontrollable need to do harm on another person, not because anyone else tells them to, but because they want to do it themselves. This is not the same thing as killing in the name of a god. When one kills in the name of a god, they tend to be influenced by not only their church and or religion (as the case may be) but also by those around them, and to a certain extent they are supported for their actions.



I don't really think anyone has killed "for" atheism but perhaps because of it. .For example, if Stalin believed he had to answer to God, he would not have done what he did.



One final question to everyone who claims to hold religion close to their hearts, what make you so certain that yours is the right religion to follow? There is literally hundreds if not thousands of different religions all across this world. Some are based off of a common theme with minor differences thrown into the mix, while others are vastly different, with little to no common ground. So with all these choices what makes you think that your religion is the right one?


In examining the religions of the world they are not the same. There is no other book even close to the Bible. When you submit yourself o God he has a way of letting you know. You have to be there.

Good luck in your search for truth. I hope you find contentment.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:55 PM
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I find it amusing that atheists are the ones who create a couple different definitions to pull out as it suits them. Trying to nail one down is like herding cats.

Theres only one, someone who doesn't believe in god. How can there be another definition?



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by undo
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it's a foundational message of atheism that life is not sacred.


[edit on 23-3-2008 by undo]
Huh? Where are you getting this stuff? You heard some lunatic atheist say something to that effect? You read some blog? You studied some ancient text? Please elaborate, and dont give me this "stalin was an atheist and killed alot of people so there you go "line of thinking. Show me the official Atheist Handbook written by the founder of Atheism, and what passage even remotely suggests that kind of absurdity.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by chromatico
I'm sorry, these are the only atheist countries we have to work with. They are atheist AND communist, but the comparison still must stand.


Yes, if you say so. And therefore every murder by theist can be blamed on their theism. They were a theist, it must have been that.

Atheism says nothing about murdering, not murdering etc. If you look at why people were being murdered or neglected (as many were the result of poor policy which led to famine). Communism was driven to produce a worker's paradise. To do this, the rulers forced massive social changes and implemented authoritarian government. There is no reason to think it is related to atheism.

Not. At. All. It speaks to one thing. And one thing alone.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:57 PM
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Here's what you're missing. Atheists, by definition, do not worship nor hold anything sacred. Therefore, I would believe melatonin to be correct.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 02:58 PM
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when you go in the hospital for an operation, they sometimes wiill give you coc aine flakes, depending on the operation, your physiology or your malady.
that's was just an example. you are trusting that person to inject you with a narcotic that'll basically stop your heart before knocking you out cold.
what if that person is a christian? do you ever stop to think that just everyday people you meet in your life, who see to various needs of society, are making and doing things so that your life can be more pleasant and yet you view them as blotches and dark spots of the fabric of your atheistic ideal? do you ask these people if they are christians before you let them do things for you? maybe you should.



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 03:00 PM
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why should I ask them? Does it matter? Do you only have doctors that are Christians? I don't really care. One of my best friends is a fundy Christian



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by newkid
bigwhammy you are an idiot, Chritsian religion is the most populated religion in the world, there are more christian then muslim, buddhist, hindus, all of them want their Gods to be the light of the world, in the other hand there are the atheist, the non believers, that most of them are scientists, politicians and other profession, if Christian wants to rule this world they must be active in science, politics, etc....
instead of complaining of how bully atheist are, you should pray for them, do what Jesus did.


Hey smart guy,, why don't you get your facts straight ok,, then in the meantime will pray for YOU

jeez

- Con



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by NewWorldOver

Originally posted by melatonin
And there's been so many slaughters in theistic countries.

so, it would disingenuous to say there is no link.


Do you people hear yourselves? Or do you just pound away at the keyboard before thinking?

So apparently if a country is lead by an atheist who murders 50 million people, there is no link...

but if a country is lead by a supposed religious person (who is usually a Roman Catholic - and not a real Christian ) then we are free to draw as many conclusions as we want?

Please. You atheists do airbrush history and you do it poorly at that.
This is not an example of anyone airbrushing history, it's just an example of someone who lacks critical thinking skills. If i Say theres no link between atheism and stalin and the millions he killed, but theres a link between religion and the Inquisition and people that killed, it doesn't mean Im a radical atheist, it means Im either a hypocrite or have very poor reasoning, or im just that blinded by my prejudice. It doens't reflect Atheism in any way. Religion and Atheism are not airbrushing anything, self-serving people are man!



posted on Mar, 23 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by Damien_Hell
Theres only one, someone who doesn't believe in god. How can there be another definition?


It's easy. Maybe someone just thinks Dawkins is a smart guy... maybe they think organized religion is a societal problem....

and in the back of their minds, they still might consider it possible that there is a 'God' or a universal consciousness. In fact, I've already seen atheists call themselves Buddhists etc.


It's VERY easy to pick and choose a definition. Labelling yourself an atheist is considered an intellectual badge of honor or something



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