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Originally posted by Bigwhammy
You're right... unless you are useful. If you are not particularly useful then you are a prime candidate for natutal selection.
The evidence of conspiracy is these science type Atheists will not even admit any connection between Darwinism and Marxism. Which is a joke as they were practically sleeping together, they were so in love.
Marxism to communism is a no brainer. Did you like the way I said Stalin proceeded to "naturally select" 20 million to die.
They hate that.
Encounter With a Rational Fellow
It was with great surprise and excitement that I noticed a fellow passenger reading Christopher Hitchens' book "God is Not Great" yesterday while on the bus home. I was so heartened to be able to strike up a conversation with someone who shared the same views on religion.
He echoed my wish to see religion dismantled for the benefit of everyone, and agreed that more needed to be done at early stages of education to prevent religious indoctrination of children. He suggested restricting Sunday School attendance to children over a certain age, where they had developed better reasoning skills.
We noted the recent founding of yet another christian "traditional-family-values-oriented" political party in New Zealand, and the political influence that religious groups are trying to exert over the populace. He also shared my beliefs that there are far more people who are sick of being hammered with religious nonsense than religious adherents would have us believe; that religion deserves no special immunity from criticism; and that the internet may be where the galvanisation of atheists will lead to real action in the real world on a large scale.
I grinned, and told him I was working on the problem
The prominence of atheistic views is failing to convince the masses against religious beliefs, writes JOHN STRINGER.
The bovver boys of atheist nay-saying are at it again. The latest international atheist golden boy, Richard Dawkins, flush from successful international sales of his recent book The God Delusion, has upped the ante on us wafer munchers and cross clutchers.
It's nothing new, of course. The church and Christian and Jewish belief in a monotheistic God have endured this kind of playground collar-tugging and name-calling for more than 3000 years. From pharaohs not getting the hint from gnats, boils, locusts and frogs, to the Roman Caesars (until Constantine's dream) to Karl Marx's famous "religion is the opium of the people" one-liner in his 1843 Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Right, religion has been fair game.
It is, of course, blamed for war and all the social ills of our times, including paedophilia, ignorance, hatred, homophobia and intolerance. Where are some fresh lions when you need them?
The atheist retinue pride themselves on superior intelligence, sophistication and a certain logic. But that is where I've always found the likes of Brian Edwards, Dawkins, Stephen Hawking and Christopher Hitchens somewhat incongruous. Atheism seems to define itself entirely in relation to something that isn't; and atheist champions seem to talk an awful lot about God to the point of preoccupation, which would seem to be oxymoronic.
How can God, for example, be "a vindictive, bloodthirsty, ethnic cleanser, infanticidal, megalomaniacal and sado- masochistic" (Dawkins as quoted in The Press, Oct 17) when he's not there? It beggars belief ... and unbelief. Dawkins owes a lot to God. Without him, sales of his book might have to be immaculately conceived. One wonders if he's flicked God a royalty cheque of late.
These outspoken atheists and their disciples seem to have an almost pathological obsessive hatred of the Big Fella, their academic diatribes fuelling a reactionary debate, which the media lap up. Conflict is the opium of the media.
Atheism is a relatively recent philosophical phenomenon. By far the majority of humans throughout history, ancient and modern, have accepted the existence of God or gods. The word derives from the French "atheisme" ("without theos") of about the 1570s.
Atheism grew, in divergent forms, with the rise of modern scientific scepticism and the open criticism of religion encouraged by the Protestant Reformation, itself a religious movement.
The germination of modern atheism can perhaps be linked back to early Hindu atheist schools and Theravada Buddhism, and even earlier to the pre-Socratic Greek philosophies of thinkers like Diagoras (the "first atheist"), Critias (the violent tyrannical politician uncle of Plato) and Democritus (who came up with the idea of the atom), among others. Where Christianity has actively formed and influenced modern politics (from Christians within the courts of the Caesars, the Roman army, to the Caesarian edicts of the early 300s outlawing persecution of minorities) liberty, and in general terms, open and transparent society have flourished.
Atheism has a less than wholesome track record as a quality philosophical foundation for civil life.
In the few countries where atheism has been actively practised (the only state to officially outlaw religion was Albania under Hoxha after World War 2 until the 1980s, Stalinist Soviet Russia and Mao Zedong China and Mongolia), the prevailing culture has been one of repression, tyranny and economic stagnation
Scintists such as Richard Dawkins assume that they are rational creatures, examine their world, conclude it has irrational origins and then declare belief in God to be irrational and themselves the paragons of reason. It takes your breath away.
Atheism is the ultimate offence against bothe reason and the heart, and we need not drown in philosophical complexities to grasp this simple truth. The logical extension of evolutionary thought is no more eloquently expressed than by our oung street-wise philosophers in their contemporary maxim—life sucks. It is written in their graffiti.
With what presumption does science dismiss all realities other than that which can be verified by their own instruments?
- Milton Heyward, Shirley
Originally posted by an3rkist
Originally posted by WraothAscendant
His words are in line with eventual killing.
What words were those? I found his video somewhat extreme, but I saw no reason to believe he condones eventual killing of anybody.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
But the teachings of Jesus Christ do not advocate naturally selecting the weak members of society and killing them. In fact they are diametrically opposed to that. Darwinist thought is what fueled Hitlers eugenics program.
Morality is not relative to the observer as you would like to pretend. There is absolute truth. We don’t always have it. But not because of my opinion. Because of God. God left us a book full of it. You just reject it.
It is evil to take a human life. Exodus 20:13 "You Shall Not Murder"
How about 46 MILLION Babies murdered per YEAR.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Fox you must be losing your memory. You already have the numbers under you itching little God hating fingers.
We have already gone through this charade of yours before. I'll put out a number and then you'll come back with one you think is better. Well I'm not playing your game. You post your numbers. I know they make you hot. Then wipe your famous "hate-jazz" off your shirt.
There is no hard answer, they are all estimates.
Why are your figures so correct?
Did you help count the bodies while they were doing the executions? It's an absurd ruse on your part.
There is no contention that the greatest killers were Stalin, Mao, and Hitler.
Oh I know -- shift to Hitler now... People can try to say Hitler was Christian. He wasn't Christian he just tried to justify his racism with a Bible. He was practicing Darwinian eugenics - on Gods chosen people no less.
Originally posted by Bigwhammy
Hey and I apologize again for misunderstanding your (non) answer. I am sick today so struggling to keep up. I did go back and edit that out. OK?
Originally posted by idle_rocker
The problem is, an3rkist, that even if he doesn't condone eventual killing NOW, he's setting the stage for it. These things always grow bigger over time. And it won't be just the Christians, as Wroath said, it will be ALL religion. And I'm certainly not giving to up what I worked so long and hard to find peace with after all these years.
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by Spoodily
"God" and religion have NOTHING to do with each other.
Religions use their respective deity and rituals surrounding said deity to turn people away from knowing "God" for themselves.
That is probably the smartest comment I have seen in a religious thread for a long time
I think I will frame this post... Mind if I quote it?
Originally posted by chromatico
The Israelites were not practicing "murder". They were practicing self-defense. The other tribes would have done the exact same thing to them.