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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 12:27 PM by HatTrick


So, while this SU is stopping and vectoring and looking pretty and the body is echoing a HUGE radar signature, the pilot will NEVER see the single Raptor 90 miles away who takes out the whole flight without even pulling more than 2G.

As an aside, I can't wait till the Typhoon is modified for stealth.



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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 03:06 PM by waynos


If he hasn't seen the F-22 why is he vectoring?

The Typhoon is already as stealthy as it is ever likely to be.



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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 03:56 PM by Canada_EH


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hahaha sounds so much like the reason they gave for getting rid of the cannon on the F-4. Honestly its extremely hard to weigh which tech will prosper and which will fail. Even the USAF and their friends in the Mc Donald Douglas have been wrong before.

I know its an opinion that you stated but that type of comments and thinkin has been proven wrong more then once



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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 04:15 PM by Shugo


Sukhoi Su-30 #1?
The link 404's...and the Su-30 is...old...1989 to be exact.

en.wikipedia.org...


The Sukhoi Su-30 (NATO reporting name "Flanker-C") is an agile military aircraft developed by Russia's Sukhoi Aviation Corporation and introduced into operational service in 1996. It is an air superiority fighter that can also perform ground strikes.

The aircraft is a modernized version of the Su-27UB and has several variants. The Su-30K and Su-30MK series have had commercial success. The variants are manufactured by competing organizations: KNAAPO and the IRKUT Corporation, both of which come under the Sukhoi group's umbrella. KNAAPO manufactures the Su-30MKK and the Su-30MK2, which were designed for and sold to China. Irkut makes the long-range, multirole Su-30MK series. The series includes the Su-30MKI developed for the Indian Air Force and its derivatives, the MKM, MKA and MKV for Malaysia, Algeria and Venezuela respectively.


It's a "pretty" plane, but so was the YF-23. You aren't giving us anything that hasn't been reported before. A Raptor would tear up a Flanker-C.

I would like to see the S-37 (Su-47 for the old timers) Berkut/Royal Eagle, be rolled out, just to see what the US will roll out with it...imagine, some next gen fighters that are stable, that us forward swept wings



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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 05:01 PM by _Del_


FSW a/c tend to have poor frontal RCS. I think that's one reason you didn't see more people pursue it. No doubt about the fact it makes the plane extremely maneuverable. I think if I were going to pursue a FSW, I would build a small light-weight fighter to complement my stealthier interceptors. Smaller than the Sukhoi models. If you combined FSW with vectored thrust, and helmet sighting and a missle with "full sphere capability" I think you've got an unbeatable combination IF you can see your target.
In a stand off fight, you'd want a F-22 everytime, but most theorists agree that "dogfighting" isn't going to disappear. There the Sukhoi's certainly seem to have an edge.



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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 05:04 PM by Shugo


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I understand that...
But Sukhoi's VISIBLY closer to achieving this than the US is, I think that much has been made clear. The X-29 wasn't necessarily a craft to brag about.

I do hover think that the existance of the X-36 could be rather interesting in the future. (Unrelated note)



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reply posted on 14-4-2008 @ 05:26 PM by _Del_


I think they need to scale down the Berkut concept to a cheap affordable fighter, and they might have a successful export fighter. In a purely defensive fighter the higher RCS would not matter much. The question is can they keep thrust vectoring and the other extras necessary on a smaller airframe and still be cost competitive on the export market. Most countries don't need a F-22 or even Su-47. They need a capable fighter affordable enough to buy in reasonable numbers.
OT: The amazing thing about the x-36, imo, was not the performance but the fact that they designed and built them with a total product budget under $20M!



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reply posted on 15-4-2008 @ 12:50 PM by HatTrick




If he hasn't seen the F-22 why is he vectoring?



Why, they are tangling with UAV's that are trying to deliver payload, of course.



Typhoon stealth



The Super Hornet's radar signature is much lower than, say, the F-18A. Things that were done: different intakes, different paint, fewer rounded and vertical surfaces, etc... I think the Typhoon (my favorite aircraft ever) has some room for improvement in the stealth dep't.



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reply posted on 15-4-2008 @ 12:52 PM by Daedalus3


The Raptor SHOULD most certainly tear up any Su-30 variant with considerable
ease. Nobody in the Su fan club is arguing that (If they are then they're blind)
The Raptor was specifically designed to deal with threats that the F-15 may not be so capable of overcoming everytime; e.g. the Su-30



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